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LOL Just trying to get the notify me of new post off!

Broman you never did respond.  Hey Broman what kind of engine does Ryan have in that 38 of his?

Traditional?  Hmm do I fit in?  Do I care?  Nope, but I do resent that if I don't have the correct wheels and tires, I'm labeled as a Street Rodder. And I'm wrong if I want to call my car a Hot Rod! LOL at that.   Not that there is anything wrong with Street Rodder!  

OK I know I'm bad but in somecases I agree with Broman on the small block chevy thing.  The current Street Rodder has one of them.  I think it is a 55 or 56 Ford sedan sporting a SBC.  Not totally wrong, but they went as far as badging the valve covers with Blue Ovals.  Now that is over the top.

I digress, it's a hot rod and there are no rules, so do what turns you on!

I'm not going to get into a * match here.

And I'm not yelling at you either (it's very hard to read the intended tones over a message board) and I am certainly not trying to single you out.

I just wanted the point to be made that there has not been any kind of pay-to-play here or there. And the mere mention of it on the HAMB should not be misconstrued. That's it. That's all.

Besides none of the options being explored were going to interfere with the real attraction - which is the message board.

Broman I'm not wanting a * match either, but you can't bury your head into the sand and say it hasn't been mentioned or implied at either site.  Go to the donation page here  and tell me it doesn't say that the days are coming that more paid member options or benifits maybe coming.

The thread at the Hamb is even more obvious.  And to think your broke a... is included.   Not trying to be disrespectful, I can't justify an Aliance Membership either.  But I won't follow sheep just to follow.

I never said pay to play was a requirement.  But if it makes you feel better to call someone wrong, just because you never read it, so be it.

The HAMB has exploded over the years and the members contribute what looks like a boat load of money.   I'm not trying to point out any trouble or disrepect.  But in the same thread on the HAMB where it was suggested that only Alliance Member could sell, Ryan was talking about freeloaders.

I have bought and sold over there, very little.  Even frame boxing plates from Engenjo.  I've bid in auctions, but never won one.  But I have never just donates straight up.  I would guess that would put me in the freeloader class.   Maybe not what he ment.

Wrong again.

Ryan isn't trying to cut down on freeloaders at all - it's the deadbeat buyers/seller he's trying to axe.

And I am not an Alliance Member so I have no reason to be "selling" the idea.

The whole "Alliance Members only" for the classifieds isn't in play. Ryan is trying to work around it....

BTW, I'm not being a snot here - just pointing out the facts.

Besides - I didn't come here to promote the HAMB - I came to help RTT....

and my advise is to explore the creative/artistic side - not the functionality.

It's a message board for cryin' out loud - all you need to do is post and reply to messages!!

A graphic upgrade will make more folks who are just passing through - stop and take a longer look. Which gives us the chance to keep them - even if only a slight chance. But some is better than none.

The only thing that keeps me away from here is the types of cars...

I'm not an IFS/SBC/over-the-counter type of guy, and that's the bread and butter crowd here.

You can call me wrong if you want, but everything I have said exits in a thread at the HAMB.  this one http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138587

I can see Ryan's intent and I have no problem with it.  

I received an email basically asking for input for my not posting.  And it was the trend or my preception of things becoming a "Pay to Play".  Even the donation section on this site leads to this way.  But with the disclaimer in red at the bottom that you are not required to donate.  

My answer again is the preception of  what was coming.

Fat Cat no rudeness taken.  The comment that I read may have been from another poster.  No big deal either way.   I see it at the HAMB big time.  Statement like only Alliance Member can use the want adds and the such. But then again it's the users making these suggestion.

Well, looks like you're wrong all the way around CaliCarl. Never seen anything like a pay-to-play here, and the HAMB is as far from pay-to-play as they come.

I think that I would live here if it were not for the HAMB - no disrespect, and I realize there are many dual members floating back and forth so I know non will be taken...I men look at me, right?

For me - it's the member involvement in events and get togethers, the feeling like I can trust fellow HAMBers -because Ryan would have my back if I were double-crossed, and the fact that the HAMB hasn't sold out just to gain members (with a constant flow of t-shirt sales and the like).

The members step up and hold auctions and make donations and it just keeps getting bigger and better.

The fact that the shirts only come around once in a while and when they do - you get 'em while they're hot. After they are gone - they're gone. Supply vs. demand ya' know?

The bad news - you can't create that kind of thing artificially. I mean - you can't go to a member and tell him or her that it's their turn to contribute...

So as far as this kind of thing - I think you just have to keep watering the orchid - some day it WILL bloom.

If I had any advice as far as the forum goes...I don't know I guess I'd say that you could use a make-over. It never hurts.

That's part of the appeal of a web site - the appearance. If it creates a mood before you even read a word - it is doing something to appeal to more readers.

Look at the magazine rack. You see the cover of one magazine and you either want to see more or you pass it up for the next...If you like it well enought to pick it up and leaf through it - whatever you see on the inside better live up to the cover or it's back onto the rack...

Look at Garage magazine (if you haven't already). It is a good looking piece inside and out. It makes you want to read whatever is in there....which I still haven't done yet!!!  So if the content of the articles are bad - it still got me to look. I doubt if that's the case - but hey if the content and the appearance complement one another - they have a winner...

I think if you just put together a really nice, classy looking format - you'd go a long way towards your goal.

Either way I am sticking around (even if I don't post much).

I never said pay to play was a requirement.  But if it makes you feel better to call someone wrong, just because you never read it, so be it.

The HAMB has exploded over the years and the members contribute what looks like a boat load of money.   I'm not trying to point out any trouble or disrepect.  But in the same thread on the HAMB where it was suggested that only Alliance Member could sell, Ryan was talking about freeloaders.

I have bought and sold over there, very little.  Even frame boxing plates from Engenjo.  I've bid in auctions, but never won one.  But I have never just donates straight up.  I would guess that would put me in the freeloader class.   Maybe not what he ment.

I don't think they have yet, but there was talk of it.

I realize these sites don't run for free, but they were offered to users for free.  If I have read into this wrong let me know.  The RRT was always a viable site for prodominantly good information.

I don't want this to sound rude but your wrong. We have never told anyone that if they do not offer up some money they would be denied access here. There are expenses associated with running this place. If you actually read the items posted on the support page at http://www.roddingroundtable.com/members/bannerad.html you will notice that it states, "No users will be denied access to any of the basic services of this site because they don't provide monetary support. This is a voluntary program that is for you the users to show support for the services we provide." That text is highlighted in red text. It is that way to draw attention to the fact that supporting the site is voluntary. As Enjenjo said we don't feel that it is right for people to support the site and not have something to show for it. For the first time recently we actually gave those supporting users something that was not available to regular users. That feature being the ability to create individual image galleries. But at the same time regular users still have the ability to post images in the public galleries.

No one should ever feel as though they are required to support us. The percentage of users that do support us allow this site to operate without too much expense out of mine or enjenjo's pockets.

Fat Cat no rudeness taken.  The comment that I read may have been from another poster.  No big deal either way.   I see it at the HAMB big time.  Statement like only Alliance Member can use the want adds and the such. But then again it's the users making these suggestion.

I for one come to hot rod sites to learn and share experiences. And to just have some fun!

But I pretty much walked away when it looked like you needed to, let say pay to post, or be part of the club.  I do that to much already and don't need to add the expense.  

I frequent a couple other sites, the HAMB and the SRT.  The Hamb is going the same way with the Alliance Member thing. Pay to be part of the club.  And the SRT has become pretty much a dud.

I realize these sites don't run for free, but they were offered to users for free.  If I have read into this wrong let me know.  The RRT was always a viable site for prodominantly good information.

Nope I had no problem.  It was a little late for all the people checking for the daily reports.  Thanks for the storied trail you traveled.  LOL Even your detractor were reading ever word.

Anybody got a jacket, my shoulders are getting cold.

Oh Carl your so funny! Not!

Where's the two week notice?  Day 14

Don't need to say any more.  I know it's unscientific, but I swear there are more fatalities in Explorers than most vehicles.  

I work in the traffic safety industry and have seen report after report.
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OK I got a measurement through the wheels.  The best I could do without popping the wheels off is somewhere between 62" and 62 1/2" hub face to hub face.

I have an 86 Iroc, I'll try and get a measurement in the next day or so.

So Denise what is route going to be when your traveling through Calif?

Does the Ego Rama travel from SF Bay area down to LA?