1951 F16

[jaybee]

I like the Garnet, though I admit I rarely favor green on a car.

[kb426]

I picked 2 color choices and ordered a quart of each. I'm going to paint one half of the hood with each color and drive it. Maybe that will help me see what they look like at various times of the day.

[chimp koose]

Neat idea 

[Crosley.In.AZ]

I picked 2 color choices and ordered a quart of each. I'm going to paint one half of the hood with each color and drive it. Maybe that will help me see what they look like at various times of the day.

Yeah , the metal flake will be easy to see on the hood?

[kb426]

O&S accomplished 2 things today. No.1: I now have back up lights. When backing out of the shed, I had a fair amount of light shining from the led tag light. These are about 1/2" in diameter. I mounted 2 in the roll pan. When this get's taken apart for paint, I'm going to french them so the lens is flush with the face of the roll pan. No. 2: I'm going to add this to possibly save someone some grief. I had a problem with some fuel coming out of the rollover valve after it was parked with a full tank of fuel. I thought the valve might be too low for it to work so I mounted it under the top of the rear fender. I filled it with fuel and drove home. It did it again. I removed the cap to make sure there was no residual pressure. 2 days later there is a damp spot on the floor. ? Today I ran it in the shop and turned on the heat. I came back an hour later and there's a damp spot on the floor. Now I'm thinking the hot rod god is messing with me. I decided to relocate the roll over valve as it wasn't working any better being 12" up in the air. I pulled the line off the vent on the tank and fuel came out. I plugged it and removed the cap. No pressure. Un cap the line and a little fuel came out. Then the light comes on. Both the mounts for the fuel gauge and the pump are around 3/4" lower than the top of the tank. I'm sure that was done so you could flush mount the tank and not have obstacles. When I fill the tank, I fill to the bottom of the neck. That means it's over full. Most tanks have the filler neck lowered into the tank a ways to prevent this from happening. I always fill up as much as I can for consistent fuel mileage measurements. I won't be doing that anymore on this one. All of the others I have installed have the gauge and pump attachments level with the top of the tank so this doesn't happen. So color me a slow learner. I have not hesitated to tell when I make mistakes and this is just one more. I hope that this info might be helpful at some point for someone.

[idrivejunk]

Did the donor have a dash trip computer thing that tracks gallons used? Just a thought. On that hood... yeah! Theres more'n one way to skin any cat but firsthand is best. Good thing you whittled the color range down to two but that two tone mental image reminds me of the Joker's car in some Batman thing.

[kb426]

IDJ, there was no donor on this one. The gauges have a bunch of functions but no mpg that I have found. It has 0 to 60, quartermile, dual trip meters and a clock and top speed. That's all I can remember. It has warnings for fuel, temp, pressure and I think I read that there is a speed warning. I don't remember about that one.

[idrivejunk]

Oh. Asked because my little ones have that stock, in a seperate-from-gauges "driver info center" that tracks oil life, MPG, range, and gallons of gas used trip readout. The last two seem redundant but I keep it on MPG. So I thought maybe the ... oh yeah never mind. Am bodyman and I've slept since you got it running.

Theres probably an app. Torque would do, if... oh there I go again. Ha. My knowledge is inapplicable, must remember.

Carry on. It does suck having to stop short of a full fillup. But its good that you tell all for the record.

[kb426]

Matt, I have Torque. While I'm not an expert, I haven't seen any fuel mileage screen. I haven't used it on any thing newer than 2007 so maybe the newer models have an output Torque could access. The F16 has no OBD port of any kind so there's nothing to access that way. It is possible to connect a laptop with a $60 cable. I think I can build that cable for around $15. It's not a priority so I haven't looked into it.
The weather god has let it warm up some the last 2 days so I decided I would shoot the bed floor prior to putting it back in. Bare in mind that there will be a bed mat over this so I spent no time with bondo on the welds. I shot epoxy on both sides and then 2 coats of black urethane on the top side. The bed mat I ordered is black so it seems to make sense to have a black floor.

[idrivejunk]

I was just exercising my own ability to err. It eventually dawned on me that you used aftermarket engine management this time. My mind was still on white truck which I remembered as stock computer with weeded harness.

My bad. Bed floor looks a lot better than the one we made at work for a 67. Yours appears quite functional.

[jaybee]

KB, you seem to know your stuff pretty well when it comes to working with these electronic engines. I've done some digging into the feasibility of using Torque or RealDash to build a dashboard on an Android tablet in lieu of conventional instruments. I'm still a little unsure of how well it could work given the current state of the art. The big issues are lag or latency in response time of the readout and the fact that Android tablets need a little trickery to charge them at the same time you're sending them data.

Here's a gallery of RealDash electronic dashboards from their website. http://realdash.net/gallery.php

Someone might know this one. None of the aftermarket EFI systems seem to have an OBDII port. Is that because OBDII is only allowed on factory systems which are emissions compliant?

[kb426]

Jaybee, I think a rewording will answer part of your question. Obd 1 and 2 were required by the gov. for emissions reasons. Nothing else that I'm aware of. OBD 2 only pertains to emissions so anything else that pertains to your car has to read by a specific diagnostic scanner. With what little I used Torque, I became aware that if there is not a sensor required for emissions, you won't have a reading. Newer units such as after 2008 have canbus through the diagnostic port. That allows almost a full dash readout to be possible. GM is know for being the most used friendly in that aspect. If you go to Speedhut's website, they list a gauge package that plugs into the port and they list models that it should work on. I looked at the Torque dash several years ago. People were using usb chargers connected to the ignition on side to charge or provide power to the android device. It would be simple to connect a relay to the ignition side of the switch to run anything you needed for that. I used a bluetooth adapter but you could have a cable from the port to the android device and eliminate one more component. I think you will be limited by the amount of time you want to spend on this. Some tinkering and you might be surprised at what you can do. I'm pretty sure you could use a raspberry PI and do all of this with some programming. If you're intrigued by Linux, you could have some fun while learning. I hope I have provided some insight for you. I had time hours later to look at realdashes. There's some neat stuff! If it's not too painful, I would look into a permanent display for the dash and use that software if the issues can be worked out.

[kb426]

O&S had a pretty good day. I finally received the check from the freight company for the claim on the rear fenders that was filed July 1, 2021. LOL. I have the bed floor bolted back in. Some how, I scratched it. At least I think I did. There is a chance one of the grandkids did last night when they came over. It's nice that it's a bed floor and I have a mat ordered to cover it. I was unhappy with all of my connections on the battery posts. I made some brackets to move some of the connections. The maxi fuses on the positive side are still ugly but I haven't decided if I will do something about that or not. I tend to be concerned with function rather than appearance on some items. When I had the batteries under the bed floor, it sure made this easier. I have the center outlets for the ac temp. mounted. I was going to make sure I'm satisfied with their functionality before making a more permanent mount. I installed throttle pedal setup number 3. The f150 pedal had a catch in it. I had changed the geometry on it and it didn't help at all. I bought a 96 mustang pedal on ebay and mounted it. I had to miter it some to change the height of the pedal. I'm not 100% satisfied with it but the catch is gone so that was a good step forward. The 2 colors for the hood arrived this morning. I looked in the cans and have mixed feelings. I may spray 2 panels and lay them out side to see how they look before doing the hood. Decisions! LOL.

[jaybee]

Still making good progress all over the truck!

Thanks for the feedback on adapting what the racing world calls a glass dashboard to a fuel injected hot rod. What you're saying makes perfect sense. When the EFI didn't do anything but spray enough fuel into the manifold to keep the O2 sensor inbounds and manage idle the CANBUS didn't have much information because it didn't need or use much information. As they added increasing parameters to the EFI system, incorporated transmission control, and eventually spread out to control distant corners of the vehicle there was more to read, with OBD2 as the data port. At that point you can do more with Torque Pro, Realdash, or others.

I have seen that you can add to that with Raspberry Pi or Arduino. You're right, it seems to be a matter of how much you want to dabble and learn.

As far as interfacing with aftermarket systems is concerned, I suspect they're mostly proprietary to keep them as closed systems. There are options like Megasquirt, but they aren't as plug and play.

[kb426]

O&S went to the shop to make some progress today. I have the frame for the bed cover welded up. I have to attach the hinge, latch and gas spring mounts before shooting some primer on it. The 1/8" strap on top was to give it some arch so water shouldn't puddle on it. We'll see if that is enough.