1951 F16

[kb426]

O&S played outside this afternoon. It was 50 degrees but the sun was shining. I pulled the top end of the 302. I found lots of carbon and dirt that was in the runners of the intake that I believe is the reason for the leaky valves. I also found standard bore cylinders with no lip at the top. I didn't take the dial bore gauge out to see how much taper there is but it looked pretty good. There was some sludge that had dried out and looked like lumps of coal. I will disassemble everything and vat the stuff to see exactly what I bought but I think I got a good core for a stroker. I winder if the 351 is full of carbon and dirt also?

[enjenjo]

You should be able to drill that block for a roller cam spider.

[kb426]

You're looking at it. That's the triple x block that is a roller block.

[kb426]

It was time for O&S to get some more parts examined so I can make some decisions. I pulled a head on the 351. I saw something that was new to me. One cylinder had rust with the piston at almost bdc. That's why it would rotate a few degrees before locking up. It had some barnacles at the top of the piston that held the ring from going past it. Some quick work with the tip of a screwdriver and it was rotating. I sprayed that bank down with wd40 and turned the engine over several revolutions. You can see in the pics that we have entered sludge falls again. Both of the engines I purchased have similar sludge buildup. The 302 efi engine has minimal cylinder wear and the carb 351 has a lot of cylinder wear. I have disassembled 8 engines since 2007. The cleanest of the bunch was the 1991 F150 5.0 with 187,000 miles on it. It was as clean as any I have seen that had many miles on it. The 5.0 in the 32 had 80,000 miles on it and it wasn't any cleaner than the high mileage engine.

[kb426]

O&S completed a couple of house projects so it's time to make a little progress here. I brought the 351 in this afternoon and disassembled it. It needs to go to the vat to be able to tell anything. I did take the dial bore gauge to the cylinders. The taper wasn't bad but there are 3 different size of cylinders. Maybe this was common in 1978. 1 was larger than the others. It was only 2 thou out of round so that makes me think it was that size in the beginning? 6 of them had 2 thou taper but were 4" in size. Once it's clean, I will check for cracks and any other damage to see if it's a good core.

[kb426]

This will either be interesting or boring to you. The following info is a fairly complete list of engine prices. The 3 sbf units all have $1900 cylinder heads and a $2400 Holley efi system included. They also have $3380 for the new TKX 5 speed and a good clutch added.
347 stroker - $10740
351 stroker - $11365
351 stroke stroke - $10565
The next couple are new crate engines all with either t56 or TKX trans, clutches, bellhousings and front drive accessories included.
GM 6.0 (360hp) cruise and connect - $14970
GM LS3 (430hp) cruise and connect - $16666
Dodge 5.7 hemi (385hp) - $14971
Ford 7.3 godzilla (430hp) $16210, I used an estimate for the front drive of $1500 because it isn't available yet. The ecu is aftermarket at $3550 as the Ford unit isn't available for a few months. All the Ford units have been 2 grand or less.
Used 5.0 coyote (430hp) with the MT82 trans - $8500 This will need power steering added somehow. Could be as little as $200 and as much as $510.
I really didn't want to use a wide engine but after getting into this, it made sense to look at all the combo's that I would consider. A new coyote setup is a little less than 15 grand.

[chimp koose]

Coyote for the win .  

[jaybee]

My feelings on these engines in reverse order:

Coyote - These are great engines. Powerful, free revving, sound fantastic, and it looks like you can make the price work. Fitting them under a lot of hoods is a real headache and rebuilding one costs cubic dollars.

Dodge late model Hemi - I don't know much about them but they have a great reputation. Early on getting them warmed up or using them for swaps was difficult but I think that's all handled now.

Ford Godzilla - This one looks to be all potential at this point. I'd love to see Ford develop an all new family of pushrod-based engines.

GM LS-architecture engines - Huge fan. This is the engine family which kicked off the modern muscle car era. There's a reason they're in everything...but they're in everything.

Small Block Ford - Now that you can get decent aftermarket heads for them they're very easy to like. Ford in a Ford, sounds like a great idea, sometimes hard to make it fit.

I don't think I've contributed any original thinking there, but that's how I see it.

[Crosley.In.AZ]

Interesting information on prices for the engines.  Ford in a Ford would be the idea for me.

I sit here like a  stick in the mud old timer...  2 small block chevy long blocks, both 383 cid and an empty 4 bolt main chevy block with a nice .030 over bore without any rotating assembly for it.  I have no cylinder heads for  any of the 3.  

[RipVW]

I am running all Ford in my Ford TCoupe.  27 Ford TCoupe Powered by 1972 351W, Gt 40 heads. Dual 4's Ford FMX Automatic, 1993 Ford explorer Rear 3:73 Track Loc.  I wanted to do a TCoupe so before the build I decided to keep it ALL Ford.  Heck even the dash gauges say Ford in that Ford script. There are a couple of шевроле parts like steering column and Brake master Cylinder. Probably a few others.  When this train wreck was launched I was so tired of sameness it seemed every car had the 350/350 and I kinda am known for taking my own road when it comes to building Motorcycles and automobiles. The Ford in a Ford just seemed like the right thing to do. Hmm I didn't want a lifetime to build project but so far I am alive and so is the project.

[kb426]

It's friday and I've spent entirely too much time researching engine parts and prices this week. Every combo I have listed has some sort of compromise when compared to what I set out for goals last year for the next project. Either not complying with the parameters or more money than I wanted to spend on that segment of the budget. The pic attached is the 351w. I have bolted it together and it's going up for sale. It had the largest number of negatives of the bunch. The coyote is probable next of the "no" list. I didn't want a "fat" engine. The combo I priced had the MT82 trans, not the TKX that I wanted. If you buy an engine and add the rest, it got real spendy. I looked for LS manual trans drop outs. That didn't end well. You can buy an LS by itself for not much money. By the time it's ready to go, it was the same price as a coyote without the ecu being prepared and wiring changes. All I found had over a 100,000 miles. The godzilla is waiting on the control pack and the front accessorie drive pricing. There are unknowns about that setup as well. So for now, I'm going to build a chassis and mount the cab. When that is accomplished. I will see what is available. As of now, it probably won't have engine mounts for a while.

[chimp koose]

How about Electric power ?

[kb426]

C.K., I would be afraid the magnetic field caused by metalflake might render the ev controls ineffective.

[chimp koose]

Or give them superpowers! good one !

[enjenjo]

Here's what you need for a motor  

 Mostly built with junkyard parts and you already have most of them. None of the work is beyond your talent and tools.