51 Ford

[idrivejunk]

I could take cues from this 51 hood and from that White Mach1 hood and apply them to my Pontiac.

[jaybee]

I kinda like those air extractor vents on a lot of cars. Probably it's because it's a road racing visual cue and I like road racers.

[chimp koose]

I saw a post on the hamb about using bronze wire in a mig and brazing iinstead of welding panels . Must use straight argon , but requires much les heat and the old problems are gone because there is no flux . Less heat ,minimal warpage , supposedly being used at a nimber of restoration shops now.

[idrivejunk]

I kinda like those air extractor vents on a lot of cars. Probably it's because it's a road racing visual cue and I like road racers.

To say it in Pontiac-speak, I can put it this way... and it is all pure spectulation and observation regarding function of non-OE, non-NASCAR body airflow things.

Formula or Trans Am hood. Theres a polarizer.

The degree to which acceptance of appearance plays into a rod strategy is individual.

For the most part, I got no use for aggressive looks. I like mine for the bizzare gothic muscle era styling. The F1's original style is an eclectic mishmash and in that context the vents fit in. And they look cool so far. If potential for an awkward angle or symmetry flaw were to emerge, I would predict that it will be in viewing the hood looking straight-on and down. As in standing in front of the truck and looking at the patched areas. Again, in sketching the first few vent opening area treatments after discussions, I realized a top contender is something found on a Mercedes in a refined form. Sure enough, come to think of it, Pontiac also had something similar somewhere.

Which brings me back to... get this... a stock Pontiac with helpful and arguably hideous hood vents. The 40th Anni 2002 GTP I destroyed. I normally laughed at any hood holes that are not scoops with frontal openings... until I observed the effective logic behind the stock heat extractors on that car. Specifically, placement of the two openings in the rain pan below the vents. One to pull heat away from the top of the alternator and one over the area where the front bank exhaust pipe runs below the throttle body. Makes sense, even though theres a mighty hot Roots style supercharger between the two.

The intercooled coyote F1 with 56 grille in 51 hole has my concern mainly with incoming air, although show car engine bay metal tends to box things and their heat up tightly. I must not push any such concerns because no facts exist.

The vents will probably not even be that. They are purely cosmetic. But theres a couple different ways I could finish out the front hole's sheetmetal. The sketches I sent boss friday have not been acknowledged, nor was the last progess update sent to customer a week before. It is difficult not to take that personal, being the time to build and with so much personal effort having been invested previously to avoid just this situation. There. Drained my words but there might be a new pic or two. Meh.

My choice: Formula.  Shakers look dinky even surrounded by chickens and any speculated functional benefits are just that, on either choice. :?

[idrivejunk]

I saw a post on the hamb about using bronze wire in a mig and brazing iinstead of welding panels . Must use straight argon , but requires much les heat and the old problems are gone because there is no flux . Less heat ,minimal warpage , supposedly being used at a nimber of restoration shops now.

You got me there. HAMB, no. Hobbyists. Read-only for me, and I do a little perusal as fill-in "dung fodder".  Bronze, no. Shop mantra is paint turns loose over bronze before steel or lead, so seek and destroy all existing gold stuff. Just saying thats a hard sell where I hail from.

But thats neat though. Lots of things have a place in old car fixing.

[idrivejunk]

Just acknowledging the 800 lb angry gorilla hiding behind the curtain so to speak... generating more stuff to read. For just us.

Does this truck need a chop now? Like a hog needs slop? To go with the rest of the sports car looks? F-1s is like pushin' a wall. Raise your hand and say how much.  

[enjenjo]

I would say a chop would be nice, but under 2" and keep the windshield at stock height along with pancaking the roof above the drip rail an inch or so.

[idrivejunk]

I would say a chop would be nice, but under 2" and keep the windshield at stock height along with pancaking the roof above the drip rail an inch or so.

Hmm. Wonder if pancaking roof alone can have any desired effect. I'll wait to see the roof bare.  

My gut flinch is to whip up a 2" chop by itself rendering, vs oh... inch and inch or inch and a half and half inch chop and pancake, respectively...

and drip rail shave by itself. Plus the aboves with and without drippys.  

And I'd run myself ragged with the sponsor running out of steam. Trying to subdue my flinches a bit but thats where nuggets are found, y'know.

I did show that roof center ditch with nary a flinch of reaction. Why I did one hood top vent before side vent on other side was to get past as many big unknown "how long"s as possible as soon as possible. Of those, tubbing remains. And rear bumper stuff not as scary uncharted territory now. My conclusion was each of the four hood features takes a couple days. IDJ - light - savings - length days.  To turn out usable, in my stall. I'd like to think a day and a half was enough but thats why I am a near-seeing employ-ee, not er. Plus thats minus whatever the opening area metal work ends up being. See there?

Thats some good input. It goes into the bag o' trix next to the 3/2" A nugget. Frank you, Thank.  

[kb426]

Matt, take a look at this. I think it has pics of the finished truck to help your decision: https://www.jefflilly.com/build-project/ol-yeller/50-ford-truck-roof-pancakes/

[idrivejunk]

Matt, take a look at this. I think it has pics of the finished truck to help your decision: https://www.jefflilly.com/build-project/ol-yeller/50-ford-truck-roof-pancakes/

Cool. I want to see front and rear too. To me, any of that stuff is disproportionately expensive in labor, weighed against the effect. Maybe I could study harder but yeah, chops are a far reach for me to justify. If a fellow has to have not stock though, thats a place to go. Seems like I remember the owner mentioning there being less hat room inside there than one might think, looking at them. All I can say under the heading of if it was me is that if I'm having a chop, a darn noticeable one is in order. Fairly certain theres no interest though. But my, in my web travels during this I have seen what I'll call lots, of different rooflines on these trucks and agree that for a more upscale vibe, great big chops are out. Of my taste range. I should see F-1 man end of the week, been trying to stay out of his hair lately. Time to ponder my goals for prior to visit. Nice fitting hood with latch would be good.

[kb426]

https://www.jefflilly.com/gallery/trucks/ol-yeller/

[idrivejunk]

https://www.jefflilly.com/gallery/trucks/ol-yeller/

That roof is a real beaut. The drip rail shave stood out to me most  and miiight be worth the work involved since door fit has already been satisfactorily addressed. Along with that, the more subtle chop 'n 'cake appears ultimate to me. But theres SO much money in the cab already and those are big hunks to gnaw into. Again... the roof in the link looks great to me.

[idrivejunk]

Bill, do ya got a decent front quarter view pic of your 50 that you can post or link to? One that you might be OK with me pic rodding in the spirit of hey, I have an idear.  :?:  

I would use one of ol yeller for the idea that came to me just now, while writing on this virtual yeller legal pad we meet on. But yours would be better plus OK-er to use.

[idrivejunk]

Heres the last Friday sketch. Boss liked same one as me, the more outlandish, ambiguous, and obviously afterthought-of one at bottom left. A-4



Don't know if F1man has a d'ruther yet. Mike acted like he could make the vent grille. Heres the welded side pic-



Flip!-





Betting that style A will fly, I screwed these flat panels onto the surrounding shag-like flanges. Standing next to pond with horse until it drinks now on that. But that was Roy Rogers' rule #7: Be kind to animals, and take care of them.

Be that as it may or mayn't... guessing this is in the neighborhood of wide-grinned Ford lover's-eye-view-



Even wilder than the hood itself, is the fact that all these are yesterday pics. Didn't take nary a one today. This is welded up and the right top is ground but neither have been planished yet. Read between the lies, that means ugly.


Top looks fine. Still one back corner to weld during the finesse session.

This was after initial flatten and tack. Knew to keep the yardstick handy for assuring that an adequate crown will result. So its flatten, then beat out, tacking as is appropriate along the way-



Heres the bonus dessert. Couple hours start to finish. This represents Style A, Trim 4. From sketch at top of this post.



Thanks for tolerating my character.

[kb426]

Do these accomplish what you need?