Whats Next!!!

BFS57 · January 03, 2018, 10:52:26 AM

Hello;
Well, now that I sold my 32, Im now turning my attention to my 57!
Im trying to get some ideas on just how to improve what I have and make my car a really nice product of my thinking!
It has several things that are good,(interior, engine, trans, paint and paint and trim) I just want to make mechanical things better, and dress up what I have! I wish that there was a kind of one stop place to take my car for evaluation on what I have and how to better it!!
I am in the bay area so maybe someone can make suggestions as to how I can go about this next phase on my car!!!!

Bruce

enjenjo · January 03, 2018, 11:07:54 AM

It would be nice to hear some details on your car again, and an idea of where you are headed.

Rochie · January 03, 2018, 11:50:24 AM

BFS57,
Some of the best things I did on my 57 were a rear sway bar, a 700R4, and FITech fuel injection. The saw bar upped the handling, the trans made it a much better highway car still with a lot of grunt down low. The fuel injection made it a whole new car. Better mileage, drivability, throttle response and what made my wife the happiest no fuel smell in the garage.
Just something to think about.
Wayne

rumrumm · January 03, 2018, 01:47:08 PM

Photos? X2 on the FiTech fuel injection. I installed in on my '32 two years ago, and while it was a lot of work changing out the gas tank and running the lines, it was well worth it.

BFS57 · January 05, 2018, 08:58:30 AM

Hello;
Im thinking that after I clean and re-paint my motor that I should ad a "front Runner system" as all that bling will really look nice!
Looking at cost they can get pretty pricey!! Looked at one on EBAY but it seems to be missing two things, one is a resivor for the power steering pump (same seller has a $40.00 tank for that) and Im not seeing a tensioner. Upon reading it states that the system can be "adjusted" so the belt is not loose. Anyone have any experiences with these systems? Chime in please..

Bruce

kb426 · January 05, 2018, 07:13:02 PM

Bruce, I didn't go look but most of what I have seen in that description has been a turnbuckle somewhere to adjust one piece of the puzzle. If you have followed my "clean out the garage" thread, you have seen the adjuster I mentioned on mine.

chimp koose · January 05, 2018, 11:41:48 PM

I really like the turnbuckle idea . Just such a nice way to add tension without arm wrestling with the car .

BFS57 · January 06, 2018, 11:59:23 AM

Hello;
I found another Front Runner system and it has the power steering pump with a tank on it and the system is tensioned by adjusting the Alternator. All I have to do is measure the distance from the front of the block to the fan to guarantee that I do have the room necessary to mount this system.
Also, as said earlier the Fi tech FI system I looked at with the fuel command center looks really good! Guess I will be selling lots of used parts soon on Craigs list or EBAY!
Found some really nice looking Valve covers as the ones I have look like poop!

Bruce

kb426 · January 06, 2018, 12:09:02 PM

If I can possibly persuade you to mount your fuel pump in your tank, I believe you will be very satisfied. I noticed the other day that someone was selling a pump and sender unit that would bolt in where the original sender was in the older tanks. I would like to mention that Fitech sells these with a huge capacity fuel pump. I have a friend who bought the command center and suffered vapor lock problems. He moved the big pump to the tank and that cured his problem. However, the continual bypassing of fuel causes problems so a pump closer to the engines requirements would be better.

BFS57 · January 06, 2018, 06:10:23 PM

Quote from: "kb426"If I can possibly persuade you to mount your fuel pump in your tank, I believe you will be very satisfied. I noticed the other day that someone was selling a pump and sender unit that would bolt in where the original sender was in the older tanks. I would like to mention that Fitech sells these with a huge capacity fuel pump. I have a friend who bought the command center and suffered vapor lock problems. He moved the big pump to the tank and that cured his problem. However, the continual bypassing of fuel causes problems so a pump closer to the engines requirements would be better.

Hello;
They do have a outside the tank pump with the Fi set up and they have a one piece that does go into the tank but I am limited on fab talents and am trying to do easiest I may save that one for a later time.
First off I need to clean my engine and intake then go from there.
Some of the things I would like to do, Im not kidding myself as I am still recuperating from spine surgery! I can buy those and just have them for when I can do it. Right now, I sold lots of my car stuff in Florida and I don't even have a jack!

Bruce

kb426 · January 06, 2018, 06:23:43 PM

If and when I remember who makes that pump unit, I'll post the link. I'm sympathetic to your circumstances.

Just for info, the early efi systems had external pumps but most were 14 lb. system. The early Fords were 40 lb. At that point the pumps were more prone to overheating and failure. Also, those pumps have little suction power. Mounting them is very important. I know I read the notice of the pump and sender unit all in one in one of the recent publications. I'll keep after it.

Rochie · January 07, 2018, 08:20:12 AM

I used the command centre from Fitech because I didn't want to mess with the tank. It's worked perfectly and mounted on the inside of the rad cradle keeps it away from the heat. When I put the car together I searched every where for the correct o-ring for the filler neck. I found just a bit too small an id, a bit too large od a bit too small section thickness and a bit too large a section, I finally found an original still in the package and it fit perfectly. So it's not broke and I'm not going to change that.

UGLY OLDS · January 07, 2018, 01:41:29 PM

QuoteHowever, the continual bypassing of fuel causes problems so a pump closer to the engines requirements would be better.

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KB...Why does this cause problems or is it only with this style system :?: GM has been this way for-ever I think.... :?

Bob..

kb426 · January 07, 2018, 05:09:15 PM

Bob, as the pump continues to circulate the fuel, it heats and aerates the fuel. Tanks inc used to sell 2 pumps, 190 liter per hour and a 255 liter per hour. The 190 liter unit was rated to around 450hp and the 255 to 6 or 700 as my feeble memory recalls. Now people are installing 340 lph pumps that can feed over 1000hp. As the fuel heats, it's less dense and the vapor pressure that it gives off is way higher making it more prone to vapor locking. I personally have not experienced vapor lock on any efi engine while running. I have see that occur with heat sink after turning the engine off in the summer with a tight engine compartment. That was usually remedied by cycling the ignition several times to re-pressure the fuel rails. Then the engine started normally. My friend's truck was a mid 50's with a 350 that might be 300hp. Had an automatic and by most standards would be an a typical street rod truck. After installing the fitech unit and driving in 75- 85 degree temps, after about 20 miles or so, it would run poorly and sometimes quit. He would let it sit for a while and it would usually restart so he wasn't towed home. After fighting it for several attempts and visiting with other rodders, they all said " vapor lock", not knowing it had efi. He moved the fitech pump to the fuel tank and that cured the problem. Besides the heating of the fuel , the command center is usually put close the engine so depending on airflow, this could be a very hot environment. I could see that it would be possible because of the small volume of fuel in the command center. My thought was if he had installed a smaller pump, it could have eliminated the problem. I don't expect to change anybodies mind about this because many are working very well so we have satisfied customers. But, if you are starting with a clean sheet, and wanted the most durable setup, I believe having the pump in the tank to be the best but a closer sized pump makes sense to me. Just so you know, this information was pointed out to me by Mr. Enderle when I started running blown alky with a converted blown fuel system. I had large nozzles and low line pressure and huge bypassing of the fuel to the tank. After correcting the nozzle are to bypass correlation, things got way better. Sorry for the long reply.

UGLY OLDS · January 08, 2018, 11:20:23 AM

So it seems that that the FiTech "Command Center" is the issue & not the use of a circulating fuel return system ?? I agree on the fuel boiling & vaporizing under the hood during "hot soak" periods.....I just couldn't understand how it could happen in a normal stock fuel system with a large fuel tank..... :?

Thanks for the explanation ... );b(

Bob...