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Chat logWelcome! You have entered [The Knights Lounge] at 8:56 pm
[enjenjo] 8:57 pm: hi
[enjenjo] 8:58 pm: hi
[The Knights Lounge]: phat46 has entered at 9:01 pm
[phat46] 9:02 pm: Good Evening
[enjenjo] 9:02 pm: hi
[enjenjo] 9:02 pm: joe
[phat46] 9:02 pm: How are you frank?
[enjenjo] 9:03 pm: I woke up this morning, always a good sign
[phat46] 9:03 pm: Yup, that's always good!
[phat46] 9:03 pm: Just us two here?
[enjenjo] 9:03 pm: Busy as usual
[enjenjo] 9:03 pm: so far
[enjenjo] 9:04 pm: until you got here it was just me
[phat46] 9:04 pm: Getting lots of input on the project?
[enjenjo] 9:04 pm: not enough to suit me
[phat46] 9:04 pm: Think we can use those whells i posted?
[enjenjo] 9:04 pm: not as many partipants as expected either
[phat46] 9:04 pm: wheels*
[enjenjo] 9:05 pm: I think so
[phat46] 9:05 pm: good
[phat46] 9:05 pm: I also have a small straight front axle
[enjenjo] 9:05 pm: We can have the hubs drilled for two patterns
[The Knights Lounge]: GPster has entered at 9:05 pm
[phat46] 9:05 pm: it's like 38" kingpin to kingpin
[enjenjo] 9:05 pm: how long is the axle?
[enjenjo] 9:06 pm: hi joe
[GPster] 9:06 pm: Here I am
[phat46] 9:06 pm: amybe 39...I can remember
[enjenjo] 9:06 pm: tube axle?
[phat46] 9:06 pm: yeah
[enjenjo] 9:06 pm: what spindles are needed?
[phat46] 9:06 pm: looks like a sprintcar type axle
[GPster] 9:07 pm: Is it heavy wall tubing?
[phat46] 9:07 pm: I don't know what spindles, I'd have to measure the kingpins
[phat46] 9:07 pm: yeah pretty heavy
[The Knights Lounge]: unklian has entered at 9:07 pm
[enjenjo] 9:07 pm: Ok, they are usually Ford or International spindles
[unklian] 9:07 pm: hi guys
[phat46] 9:07 pm: I can send you a pic if you want
[GPster] 9:07 pm: Hi
[enjenjo] 9:07 pm: hi Ian
[phat46] 9:07 pm: Hello
[unklian] 9:07 pm: sprint car spindles ?
[enjenjo] 9:08 pm: yes, sprint car
[phat46] 9:08 pm: I'll have to measure the kingpin diameter and length
[The Knights Lounge]: Crosley has entered at 9:08 pm
[enjenjo] 9:08 pm: hi Tony
[Crosley] 9:08 pm: R we here?
[GPster] 9:08 pm: We were talking about using front brakes for staging
[phat46] 9:09 pm: Hello tony
[GPster] 9:09 pm: Hi Tony
[enjenjo] 9:09 pm: yes Joe, we can adapt discs to the spindles no problem
[Crosley] 9:09 pm: brakes are god
[Crosley] 9:09 pm: good
[The Knights Lounge]: Fat Cat has entered at 9:09 pm
[phat46] 9:09 pm: LOL, both actually tony
[enjenjo] 9:09 pm: hi frank
[Fat Cat] 9:10 pm: howdy
[GPster] 9:10 pm: I just worry about thin tubing
[phat46] 9:10 pm: Frank, I'll send you a pic of the axle tomorrow, with
measurements
[enjenjo] 9:10 pm: Joe, do you know if it's mild steel, or Chromemoly?
[phat46] 9:11 pm: I don't know Frank
[phat46] 9:11 pm: how can i tell?
[enjenjo] 9:11 pm: weight
[enjenjo] 9:11 pm: Chrome moly is lighter
[phat46] 9:11 pm: O.K. I'll weigh it too...
[unklian] 9:12 pm: Did you find a Sprint Car axle ?
[phat46] 9:12 pm: If we can use it I'll donate it
[Crosley] 9:12 pm: I must not be chrone moly.... too much weight
[enjenjo] 9:12 pm: Ok, frank, do these guys have access to the race car forum?
[phat46] 9:12 pm: Not sure what the axle is from
[unklian] 9:13 pm: pics might help
[Crosley] 9:13 pm: tube front axl? what spindles are needed?
[phat46] 9:13 pm: can i post pics here?
[enjenjo] 9:13 pm: Can you measure the king pin angle Joe?
[unklian] 9:13 pm: you can link to them
[phat46] 9:13 pm: O.K.
[Fat Cat] 9:14 pm: The people that have sent in money and have been added to the
Racer usergroup have access
[enjenjo] 9:14 pm: you should be able to post them in the race car forum
[phat46] 9:14 pm: I can go take a pic now and post it on the board if that would
help
[enjenjo] 9:14 pm: no hurry Joe, tomorrow is fine
[phat46] 9:14 pm: O.K.
[unklian] 9:15 pm: Frank: do we need 4 bar brackets ?
[unklian] 9:15 pm: for the rear
[enjenjo] 9:15 pm: for the rear end?
[unklian] 9:15 pm: yes
[enjenjo] 9:15 pm: yes
[unklian] 9:15 pm: I have a set
[unklian] 9:15 pm: not the ones for the frame though
[enjenjo] 9:16 pm: Let me review the discussion so far.
[enjenjo] 9:16 pm: I can make the frame brackets
[enjenjo] 9:16 pm: At this point, we are using a Crosley body, bought already
[enjenjo] 9:17 pm: retangilat tube frame
[enjenjo] 9:17 pm: rectangular
[enjenjo] 9:17 pm: 9 rear
[enjenjo] 9:17 pm: Powerglide
[enjenjo] 9:17 pm: satraight front axle
[enjenjo] 9:18 pm: full cage
[enjenjo] 9:18 pm: with a funny car suround
[GPster] 9:18 pm: `20" wheelbase
[GPster] 9:19 pm: 120"
[enjenjo] 9:19 pm: Joe has somre wheels for drag slicks
[enjenjo] 9:19 pm: we can run space saver Tbird wheels in front
[unklian] 9:19 pm: yes
[GPster] 9:19 pm: We going to need truck 9" axels?
[enjenjo] 9:20 pm: We will get a set of Moser axles
[enjenjo] 9:20 pm: we can get them drilled with more than one pattern
[GPster] 9:20 pm: Aren't the wheels 5 x 5 1/2"?
[unklian] 9:20 pm: good idea
[phat46] 9:21 pm: Yes the wheels i have a re 5 on 51/2
[Crosley] 9:21 pm: we need thread in studs on the rear axles?
[Crosley] 9:21 pm: 1/2 diameter ?
[enjenjo] 9:21 pm: With Moser axles, and a 35 spline spool we should be able to
forget rear end problems
[Crosley] 9:21 pm: or larger?
[enjenjo] 9:22 pm: yes Tony, I have a source for them
[phat46] 9:22 pm: any ideas on angines yet?
[phat46] 9:22 pm: engines*
[unklian] 9:22 pm: good studs and axles are "required" below a cetrain et
[enjenjo] 9:22 pm: we are building the car, so most engines can be used
[unklian] 9:23 pm: Availability influences consumption"
[Crosley] 9:23 pm: quicker than a 9.90 , I beleive an engine diaper - catch pan
is required
[unklian] 9:23 pm: a mild big block would be good
[GPster] 9:24 pm: Do they require racing mufflers?
[unklian] 9:24 pm: anything reliable is good to start with
[enjenjo] 9:24 pm: At this point, I think we should be looking at 10.90 or
slower, and build the car so we can step up later
[unklian] 9:24 pm: mufflers might be a local requirement
[Crosley] 9:24 pm: yep, local rewuirement on the muffler deal
[enjenjo] 9:25 pm: none needed around here
[unklian] 9:25 pm: how quick before the chassis needs to be Certified ?
[Crosley] 9:25 pm: I have some Ford 6 cyl engine ideas for the car
[phat46] 9:25 pm: can we adapt most engines to a powerglide?
[enjenjo] 9:25 pm: I have an NHRA rule book on the way
[Fat Cat] 9:26 pm: yes most engines can be adapted to a glide
[GPster] 9:26 pm: will they bolt to a powerglide?
[Fat Cat] 9:26 pm: that was one of the reasons it was considered to start with
[phat46] 9:26 pm: are we looking for a 'glide?
[enjenjo] 9:26 pm: I have seen glides behind Honda motors, Most any Ford Or
Mopar, VW, Toyota
[GPster] 9:26 pm: I can't type and read at the same time
[enjenjo] 9:27 pm: Super Bells are made to fit a ton of engines
[unklian] 9:27 pm: anyone have a 460 Ford motor sitting around ?
[enjenjo] 9:27 pm: I have a 500 Caddy
[phat46] 9:27 pm: I have a 429...but I'm using it
[unklian] 9:28 pm: even bigger
[Crosley] 9:28 pm: we havea glide at work with adapter to a rotary Mazda engine
[unklian] 9:28 pm: horrible combo
[phat46] 9:28 pm: I have that stock 'glide i can donate
[unklian] 9:28 pm: Caddy motor might be cool
[GPster] 9:28 pm: I've got that 350 and enough to bolt it back together stock
[enjenjo] 9:28 pm: Tony, do you think we can get by with a stock case Powerglide
[Crosley] 9:29 pm: yes
[Crosley] 9:29 pm: you will need an SFI sheild
[enjenjo] 9:29 pm: we can get that
[Crosley] 9:30 pm: I have access to some of the stuff.... :clap:
[enjenjo] 9:30 pm: Can you run a glide behind a Ford 6?
[unklian] 9:31 pm: here are the NHRA requirements, based on ET
[unklian] 9:31 pm:
http://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/880990-what-do-i-need-safety-requirements-nhra-rollbar-rollcage-harness-etc.html
[phat46] 9:31 pm: Frank do we need to buy frame tubing?
[Crosley] 9:32 pm: A ford 6 cylinder with the small block ford bolt pattern
[unklian] 9:32 pm: A 300 cube Ford 6 ?
[Crosley] 9:33 pm: the deal with belhousing on the glide IF you swap different
engines, the bell housings get expensive
[The Knights Lounge]: moose has entered at 9:33 pm
[Crosley] 9:33 pm: the 250 and the 300 engine use the small ford bell pattern
[enjenjo] 9:33 pm: I have some 1 1/2" by 3" by .120 tubing for the perimiter
frame
[unklian] 9:33 pm: MOOOSE !
[moose] 9:33 pm: Howdy all!!! Lets go FAST
[moose] 9:34 pm: sup Ian???
[phat46] 9:34 pm: Hello!
[unklian] 9:34 pm: too much
[enjenjo] 9:34 pm: we will have to buy roll bar tubing
[unklian] 9:34 pm: you got an email from a stranger this afternoon ?
[phat46] 9:34 pm: You have a source for that tubing Frank?
[unklian] 9:34 pm: who can bend tubing ?
[moose] 9:34 pm: Ian YES
[unklian] 9:34 pm: everything cool ?
[enjenjo] 9:35 pm: I will probably have to order it, but yes
[unklian] 9:35 pm: I'm still waiting on a Top Secret phone call.
[GPster] 9:35 pm: Maybe we can get a deal from drag 50?
[moose] 9:35 pm: depends ian which stranger you refering to?
[enjenjo] 9:35 pm: depending on the rules, 1 1/2" DOM should do
[enjenjo] 9:35 pm: We can check with DR50
[unklian] 9:36 pm: Bob Lawson
[moose] 9:36 pm: Frank will this be a full cage car?
[phat46] 9:36 pm: Didn't someone offer to do the bending?
[moose] 9:36 pm: Ian Yes I got that email
[enjenjo] 9:36 pm: we may be able to con him into bending it too
[unklian] 9:36 pm: ok
[enjenjo] 9:36 pm: yes moose full cage
[unklian] 9:36 pm: the SCTA rules are tough on cage materials
[unklian] 9:36 pm: I forget their specs
[enjenjo] 9:37 pm: I still have to order the SCTA book
[moose] 9:37 pm: Are ther plans to include clutch linkage or just auto??
[enjenjo] 9:38 pm: We are planning just auto right now, but a clutch should not
be a big problem
[unklian] 9:38 pm: hydraulic clutch would be easier
[enjenjo] 9:38 pm: my thought too Ian
[moose] 9:38 pm: did you end up dealing on the body?
[unklian] 9:39 pm: I'm looking at the DLRA rules right now for cage material
specs
[enjenjo] 9:39 pm: I gave him a down payment to hold the car
[enjenjo] 9:39 pm: I plan on the final * when I have the cash with me
[phat46] 9:39 pm: That body is in Erie Mi.?
[moose] 9:39 pm: I will get you some $$$ in the mail
[enjenjo] 9:40 pm: yes, just over the Ohio line
[phat46] 9:40 pm: yup, lucky to find one that close to you
[GPster] 9:40 pm: Is money coming in? the contributors list isn't getting any
bigger?
[moose] 9:40 pm: how solid are the panels?
[enjenjo] 9:40 pm: The body is no cherry, but fine for our purposes
[moose] 9:41 pm: good
[enjenjo] 9:41 pm: a little rust at the bottom all the way rould
[phat46] 9:41 pm: You have to get the whole car?
[Fat Cat] 9:41 pm: I have added all that have sent me money
[enjenjo] 9:41 pm: doors are solid
[moose] 9:41 pm: when you get it home I will come down and help smooth them
[unklian] 9:42 pm: 1 3/4 x .120" by a quick search
[enjenjo] 9:42 pm: I thought it might be Ian
[enjenjo] 9:42 pm: No problem
[moose] 9:42 pm: Ian I plan to sign up forthe jam
[unklian] 9:42 pm: but confirm that with the new SCTA book.
[moose] 9:42 pm: any limits as far as cage lay-out?
[enjenjo] 9:43 pm: SCTA requires a funny car cage
[unklian] 9:43 pm: what did you have in mind ?
[Fat Cat] 9:43 pm: the new scta book will not be out until next month
[unklian] 9:43 pm: It;s at the printers right now
[moose] 9:44 pm: can it be center drive or offset ?
[enjenjo] 9:44 pm: We can use 1 3/4" for the cage, and 1 1/2" for the balance
[unklian] 9:44 pm: I will see you there Moose
[moose] 9:44 pm: GOOD
[enjenjo] 9:44 pm: we can center drive it if we want
[moose] 9:44 pm: Friday?
[unklian] 9:44 pm: yes
[moose] 9:44 pm: usual host for the stay???
[unklian] 9:45 pm: center drive means you are sitting over the drive shaft
[unklian] 9:45 pm: yes Moose
[moose] 9:45 pm: he coming???
[unklian] 9:45 pm: not sure
[enjenjo] 9:45 pm: thats what hoops are for
[moose] 9:45 pm: okay
[GPster] 9:45 pm: Can we find sprint car steering to go with that sprint car
axel?
[enjenjo] 9:45 pm: Too heavy joe
[unklian] 9:46 pm: those sprint car boxes are very quick, and very expensive
[moose] 9:46 pm: what steering were you thinking??
[enjenjo] 9:46 pm: we can run a Corvair box with a long steering shaft
[unklian] 9:46 pm: or VW Bus
[enjenjo] 9:47 pm: couple Ujoints and you can drive it from anywhere
[phat46] 9:47 pm: would that require several joints?
[enjenjo] 9:47 pm: two should do it joe
[moose] 9:47 pm: solid axle front or a arm??
[unklian] 9:47 pm: I'm thinking it would be easier to get the roof down, if the
driver was sitting lower
[enjenjo] 9:47 pm: straight axle
[Crosley] 9:47 pm: straight steering shaft is not allowed in SCTA as I recall...
u-joints required
[unklian] 9:47 pm: transverse leaf ?
[unklian] 9:48 pm: on front
[enjenjo] 9:48 pm: we can set the driver to the left, move the engine to the
right for balance
[moose] 9:49 pm: If you go ladder bar rear I have a set of comp bars I will
donate
[enjenjo] 9:49 pm: that would be the simplest, but torsion bars can be done too
[The Knights Lounge]: Crosley has left at 9:49 pm
[phat46] 9:49 pm: Thinking about chopping the top?
[enjenjo] 9:49 pm: I think we better do a 4 link, because of the adjustability
with different powerplants
[moose] 9:50 pm: okay
[unklian] 9:50 pm: kinda have to chop the roof to be competitive at Bonneville
[enjenjo] 9:50 pm: yes, chop the top
[phat46] 9:50 pm: good!
[unklian] 9:51 pm: transverse leaf less expensive ?
[enjenjo] 9:51 pm: what do you think of building a lift off glass nose?
[unklian] 9:51 pm: than torsion bars
[unklian] 9:52 pm: Glas and resin prices are way up
[unklian] 9:52 pm: at least they were
[enjenjo] 9:52 pm: yes Ian, but when you add weight at the salt, it would be
easier to just install heavier bars
[phat46] 9:52 pm: Would we have to pull our own mold?
[moose] 9:52 pm: how about aluminum??
[unklian] 9:53 pm: the front doesn't have to be a perfect reproduction of the
original.
[GPster] 9:53 pm: I'd think glass would be more forgiving
[enjenjo] 9:53 pm: yes we would joe, I can find no manufactuer of glas parts for
a crosley
[unklian] 9:54 pm: It can be just about any shape
[GPster] 9:54 pm: Do you want me to save that shower stall?
[enjenjo] 9:54 pm: Drag nose could be pro mod style
[unklian] 9:54 pm: I like the pro mod idea
[enjenjo] 9:55 pm: if it's not a problem joe, yes
[unklian] 9:55 pm: kind of suggest the original identity
[moose] 9:55 pm: but would look better similar style to the oriningal
[enjenjo] 9:55 pm: I built a rolled pan out of a truck wind deflector last year
[moose] 9:55 pm: kinda like Ians photo pshop images
[unklian] 9:56 pm: that involves making a plug, pulling a mold, then making
parts.
[unklian] 9:56 pm: lots of work, and materials
[phat46] 9:56 pm: how much longer than stock would the front clip need to be
[enjenjo] 9:56 pm: we can shortcut that
[GPster] 9:56 pm: 40"
[unklian] 9:56 pm: the wheelbase is 40" longer
[moose] 9:56 pm: pounding a new skin out os tin may be easier
[unklian] 9:56 pm: plus more overhang on front
[enjenjo] 9:56 pm: No plug needed for one off parts
[unklian] 9:57 pm: I could see doing it in metal
[unklian] 9:57 pm: The NASCAR guys use 22 gauge IIRC
[moose] 9:57 pm: pound pound wheel wheel repeat!!!
[enjenjo] 9:58 pm: mold off the original parts, make parts from them, then cut
them up and glass them back together
[phat46] 9:58 pm: could we just add to the stock sheetmetal?
[unklian] 9:58 pm: The hard part, is the grill and headlights
[moose] 9:58 pm: make a buck
[The Knights Lounge]: phat rat has entered at 9:58 pm
[moose] 9:59 pm: can the headlights be painted or do they need to function??
[enjenjo] 9:59 pm: hi jack
[phat rat] 9:59 pm: hi Frank
[moose] 9:59 pm: Howdy Jack
[enjenjo] 9:59 pm: they can be painted on
[moose] 9:59 pm: I will work on my airbrushing skills!!!
[GPster] 9:59 pm: If you carry the inward thaper of the hood foreward it might
make a narrower nose but stock reminder
[unklian] 9:59 pm: don't "need" headlights at all
[unklian] 10:00 pm: there is a minimum tread width
[phat rat] 10:00 pm: boy this new chat setup doesn't let me see what's been said
before I got here
[enjenjo] 10:00 pm: no it don't jack
[moose] 10:00 pm: we were talking bout you!
[unklian] 10:00 pm: we were talking about you, that is why
[phat rat] 10:00 pm: I figured as much
[GPster] 10:01 pm: we don't want you to know
[unklian] 10:01 pm: didn't want to disappoint you
[phat rat] 10:01 pm: sounds like a drag car
[unklian] 10:01 pm: LOUD !
[unklian] 10:01 pm: Loud is Good.
[phat rat] 10:01 pm: Frank did you get the body
[enjenjo] 10:01 pm: Well, I'll get a list up of what parts we have, and what we
need.
[enjenjo] 10:02 pm: yes jack, have to pick it up this weekend
[unklian] 10:02 pm: someone said they might have coil overs for the rear
[enjenjo] 10:02 pm: Leon
[enjenjo] 10:03 pm: I have someone interested in the mechanical parts
[phat rat] 10:03 pm: I didn't look at the list today but how many are in on this
so far
[enjenjo] 10:03 pm: the stock Crosley stuff
[unklian] 10:03 pm: sounds good
[enjenjo] 10:03 pm: Not enough yet Jack
[phat rat] 10:04 pm: I wondered as when I looked only 5 or 6 were in
[phat46] 10:04 pm: I've gotta go, frank I'll send you the specs and some pics of
that axle
[enjenjo] 10:04 pm: we have enough to start, but that's about it
[GPster] 10:04 pm: Do they have any extra body parts to trade?
[enjenjo] 10:05 pm: there are some that said they are sending it snail mail
[moose] 10:05 pm: that would be me
[phat rat] 10:05 pm: ah I see you found the color machine
[enjenjo] 10:05 pm: more than just you Moose
[unklian] 10:05 pm: Moose: hoefully things are settling down, and cooler heads
will prevail
[unklian] 10:06 pm: This one ?
[moose] 10:06 pm: I hope so too Ian BUT there are still a lot of riled troops
[phat rat] 10:06 pm: so is it still figureded to try dual purpose or drag only
[unklian] 10:06 pm: life is hard
[phat46] 10:07 pm: TTYL, g,night
[moose] 10:07 pm: as Larry said smaller might not be so bad
[phat rat] 10:07 pm: Riled troops what have I missed
[moose] 10:07 pm: Nite
[enjenjo] 10:07 pm: drag to start, but built so we can go land speed racing
later
[GPster] 10:07 pm: The green is hard for me to read
[moose] 10:07 pm: different topicJack
[enjenjo] 10:07 pm: later joe
[unklian] 10:07 pm: build it so it can be upgraded
[moose] 10:08 pm: Jack we were typing about detroit
[The Knights Lounge]: phat46 has left at 10:08 pm
[phat rat] 10:08 pm: ok as long as it wasn't here
[GPster] 10:09 pm: The biggest thing I see right now is making the cage SCTA
approvable
[moose] 10:09 pm: how will an SCTA cage work in a drag car???
[unklian] 10:09 pm: They keep changing their vague rules
[moose] 10:09 pm: Ian yellow doen't work either
[unklian] 10:09 pm: SCTA is tougher than NHRA
[unklian] 10:10 pm: that is supposed to be black
[moose] 10:10 pm: having never been to the salt how do the suspentions differ??
[GPster] 10:10 pm: It's black here
[moose] 10:11 pm: it is now but you had yellow for a it
[moose] 10:11 pm: bit
[unklian] 10:11 pm: might vary with your background.
[phat rat] 10:11 pm: nite
[The Knights Lounge]: phat rat has left at 10:11 pm
[unklian] 10:11 pm: or maybe you are color blind
[enjenjo] 10:11 pm: The suspensions are the same, you are just carying a lot
more weight
[moose] 10:11 pm: Ian do you ever talk to Rollie
[unklian] 10:12 pm: not a lot of travel at Bonneville, but you DO need
suspension
[GPster] 10:12 pm: Yellow looked green to me
[unklian] 10:12 pm: very rarely
[enjenjo] 10:12 pm: you have to add weight for stability on the salt
[unklian] 10:12 pm: it was red here
[moose] 10:12 pm: you had red then yellow then black
[unklian] 10:13 pm: aero lift is the big problem, so people add weight instead
of wings
[enjenjo] 10:13 pm: Moose, you ever drive on a frozen lake
[The Knights Lounge]: Leon has entered at 10:13 pm
[enjenjo] 10:13 pm: hi leon
[moose] 10:13 pm: every time it snows around here!!!
[GPster] 10:13 pm: Hi
[Leon] 10:13 pm: better late than never
[unklian] 10:13 pm: Moose lives in Michigan where they don't know how to plow
the roads
[unklian] 10:13 pm: which makes them better drivers than most canadians
[enjenjo] 10:13 pm: well, that's real similar to driving on the salt
[moose] 10:14 pm: I was just curious about how the traction setting comapred
[unklian] 10:14 pm: much lower
[enjenjo] 10:14 pm: like 20 below Ice
[unklian] 10:14 pm: MUCH
[enjenjo] 10:15 pm: just like ice, you don't want wide tires
[moose] 10:15 pm: will we need fire supression systems?
[unklian] 10:15 pm: some guys try to run without suspension, particularly on the
back, and pay for it
[enjenjo] 10:15 pm: for the salt, yes
[unklian] 10:15 pm: not for NHRA
[unklian] 10:16 pm: start simple, add the expensive toys later
[moose] 10:16 pm: what speed requires a chute?
[unklian] 10:17 pm: let me go look
[enjenjo] 10:17 pm: 175 I believe
[moose] 10:17 pm: on salt?
[unklian] 10:17 pm: I think it is 175 at Bonneville ?
[enjenjo] 10:17 pm: yes
[Leon] 10:18 pm: remember that's in a class where the record is 175, even if we
only go 150
[moose] 10:18 pm: was always a drag racer myself
[unklian] 10:18 pm: 175 mph requires 1 chute
[unklian] 10:18 pm: I was more into oval short tracks
[enjenjo] 10:18 pm: yes, it goes by the record
[unklian] 10:19 pm: the shorter, the better
[GPster] 10:19 pm: We'd also need wheels and tires for the salt
[enjenjo] 10:19 pm: I have the wheels
[The Knights Lounge]: moose has left at 10:19 pm
[The Knights Lounge]: Fat Cat has left at 10:19 pm
[unklian] 10:19 pm: might be able to use the T-bird temp spare wheels
[enjenjo] 10:19 pm: we can run front runners for tires
[unklian] 10:20 pm: I forget how wide they are
[unklian] 10:20 pm: Kent Fuller is using them on his streamliner
[enjenjo] 10:20 pm: they use a 4" wheel
[enjenjo] 10:20 pm: about 6" wide
[Leon] 10:21 pm: The wheels have to have a weld all the way around the rim, not
like a lot of production wheels.
[Fat Cat] 10:22 pm:
[moose] 10:22 pm: leon so if the car is set up for a class with a record of 175
al lrules need to be met even if it is nowhere close to that speed??
[The Knights Lounge]: Fat Cat has left at 10:22 pm
[enjenjo] 10:22 pm: we can take care of that
[The Knights Lounge]: moose has entered at 10:22 pm
[The Knights Lounge]: Fat Cat has entered at 10:22 pm
[moose] 10:23 pm: what happened
[enjenjo] 10:23 pm: you got booted
[Fat Cat] 10:23 pm: me too
[moose] 10:23 pm: was it something I daid??
[moose] 10:23 pm: said??
[unklian] 10:23 pm: The Aluminum Ford Space saver wheels are Forged.
[GPster] 10:24 pm: Sometimes it's from not talking
[moose] 10:24 pm: oh
[moose] 10:25 pm: I gotta go nite all
[unklian] 10:25 pm: later Moose
[GPster] 10:25 pm: night
[moose] 10:25 pm: see ya soon Ian
[enjenjo] 10:25 pm: no, it just happens.
[enjenjo] 10:26 pm: later moose
[moose] 10:26 pm: Good night
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[enjenjo] 10:26 pm: leon, I am posting the full chat on the racer forum
[Leon] 10:26 pm: sounds good
[enjenjo] 10:27 pm: so you can see what we talked about
[Leon] 10:27 pm: It's still early here and I lost track of time
[enjenjo] 10:27 pm: I think I will call it a night too
[enjenjo] 10:27 pm: I understand
[Leon] 10:27 pm: I'll check tomorrow for those coilovers if you think they could
be of use
[enjenjo] 10:28 pm: That's why I saved a copy
[GPster] 10:28 pm: I'm with that, goodnight
[Leon] 10:28 pm: See you all later.
[enjenjo] 10:28 pm: yes I do Leon, we can change springs if need be

[enjenjo]

2/22

[] 9:38 pm: easy enough to cut the shaft and add a u-joint
[] 9:38 pm: I bet the Crosley has a simple streering shaft
[] 9:39 pm: probably has simple everything
[] 9:39 pm: Frank was talking center seating/steering position
[] 9:39 pm: personal preference, I would rather not
[] 9:40 pm: but it was suggested that offset seating gets you off the driveshaft
[] 9:40 pm: and lower
[] 9:40 pm: yes, easier to sit lower
[] 9:40 pm: which lets you chop the top
[] 9:40 pm: yeah, they said a chop was definite
[] 9:40 pm: sitting in the middle is fine for Funny Car
[] 9:41 pm: had to be competitive at Bonneville, in Competition Coupe, without a chop
[] 9:41 pm: I bet
[] 9:42 pm: we talked about stretching the front sheetmetal too
[] 9:42 pm: the wheelbase needs to be longer
[] 9:42 pm: What class will this run at Bonneville? Is there an "intro" site
that I can read up on the rules and classes without going to the full book? I've never done anything like that.
[] 9:42 pm: Frank was talking a 'glass lift off frontend
[] 9:42 pm: could run the stock sheetmetal to start with, for drag racing
[] 9:43 pm: I don't know what class, would depend on engine size i guess
[] 9:43 pm: the stretch the sheetmetal later
[] 9:43 pm: yup
[] 9:43 pm: hand the wheels out front
[] 9:43 pm: let me go look for Bonneville rules
[] 9:43 pm: hang*
[] 9:44 pm: one thing, that Caddy engine might make it harder to put another engine in there...
[] 9:44 pm: they want to make it easy to run different engines in the car
[] 9:45 pm: Why would that be? Mount placement? It is plenty big enough I would think that we could swap anything in.
[] 9:45 pm: seems like most can be adapted to a 'glide
[] 9:45 pm: if there is room for a Caddy motor, then there should be room for almost anything
[] 9:45 pm: just take the Caddy motor out first
[] 9:45 pm: http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/car_classes.htm
[] 9:46 pm: these are ROUGH guidelines for the different classes
[] 9:46 pm: Thanks. I'll check it out.
[] 9:46 pm: the only class this car could run in is Competition Coupe
[] 9:47 pm: What about exhaust? What kind of pipes do we need? I work for an OEM exhaust company and could scavenge the parts bin for bends and pipes. What OD?
[] 9:47 pm: Doesn't Comp Coupe say unaltered body?
[] 9:48 pm: the rules are real awkward
[] 9:48 pm: you can't alter the body, but you can chop the top
[] 9:48 pm: Hi Frank
[] 9:48 pm: Hi Frank
[] 9:48 pm: O.K.
[] 9:48 pm: and you can do whatever you want to streamline the cowl
[] 9:49 pm: and you can set the motor back
[] 9:49 pm: and you can stretch the wheelbase
[] 9:49 pm: Unaltered in width or contour? What does that mean? Width, I can understand
[] 9:50 pm: they have their own Secret Handshake on the rules
[] 9:50 pm: and some are contradictory
[Fat Cat] 9:50 pm: howdy was catching up on the convo
[] 9:50 pm: and some cars set records without following some of the rules
[] 9:50 pm: Hi Frank
[] 9:51 pm: Yeah the rules must be kinda vague!
[] 9:51 pm: it's one of these "we know what the rules mean" deals, when you ask for clarification
[] 9:51 pm: Hey Frank have you seen Frank?
[Fat Cat] 9:51 pm: not since 5pm
[] 9:52 pm: in which case, why bother printing a rule book
[] 9:52 pm: He hasn't been on here tonight
[] 9:52 pm: For example, a Gas Coupe is basically a Production car with an engine swap, an Altered is a Gas Coupe with headlights and grille covered and the engine set back, a Competition Coupe is an Altered with the nose lengthened and streamlined.
[] 9:52 pm: Sound like comp coupe then
[] 9:52 pm: What are roof rails? To put skis on?
[] 9:53 pm: LOL, in case you flip?
[] 9:53 pm: probably rollbar rails?
[] 9:53 pm: So the skis keep you going in a straight line then. I understand.
[] 9:54 pm: they are little fins on the roof
[] 9:54 pm: or the rails like NASCAR to help when spinning
[] 9:54 pm: Another one of those contradictions
[] 9:54 pm: yes
[] 9:54 pm: COMPETITION COUPE & SEDAN - /BFCC, /FCC, /BGCC, /GCC
Production coupe or sedan body unaltered in width or contour.
[] 9:54 pm: I guess it means width but not length.
[] 9:55 pm: http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/bcwe.htm
[] 9:55 pm: this page shows what motors are legal for each class
[] 9:55 pm: I'm all for those NASCAR flaps. I saw a show on those a few years back and the difference is amazing when those open up
[] 9:56 pm: Yes, those flaps are great
[The Knights Lounge]: enjenjo has entered at 9:56 pm
[] 9:56 pm: What does Omega mean? Anything goes?
[] 9:56 pm: http://www.scta-bni.org/SCTA-NewWeb/engine.htm
[enjenjo] 9:56 pm: hi
[] 9:56 pm: this one shows the different engine class sizes
[] 9:56 pm: hi frank
[] 9:56 pm: evening Frank
[] 9:57 pm: Hi Frank
[] 9:57 pm: Omega is other than Otto Cycle power
[enjenjo] 9:57 pm: I logged on at 844 but no one else showed
[] 9:57 pm: We weren't talking about you...:whistle:
[] 9:57 pm: no,no,no
[] 9:57 pm: not us.
[] 9:57 pm: Chat started at 9, I thought? I thought about it at 8:34 but didn't want to be the geek sitting here talking to myself
[] 9:58 pm: Frank: danimal was asking about exhaust
[enjenjo] 9:58 pm: I found some spindles Dan
[] 9:58 pm: he has a source for tubing
[enjenjo] 9:58 pm: what about exhaust
[] 9:58 pm: Using a 500 CID Caddy puts us right at the limit of A and AA so a rebuild could made the difference?
[] 9:59 pm: the Caddy was a drag race motor idea
[] 9:59 pm: Yeah, what diameter exhaust do you think you might want to use? I can dig in the scrap bins at work.
[enjenjo] 9:59 pm: pinch bends on manrel bends
[] 9:59 pm: Mandrel
[] 9:59 pm: yeah I don't think the Caddy would like Bonneville!
[] 9:59 pm: All 409 stainless
[] 9:59 pm: 500 cubes at Bonneville, and you are running with the big $ boys
[enjenjo] 9:59 pm: for a caddy, probably 1 7/8"
[] 10:00 pm: I can probably get 2" all day long.
[enjenjo] 10:00 pm: for a small block 1 5/8"
[] 10:00 pm: What's that in mm? 45?
[] 10:01 pm: I know we use 47.8 mm, I think that is 1 7/8"
[] 10:01 pm: we had talked about an IH 6 cyl for XO at Bonneville
[enjenjo] 10:01 pm: 44mm I think
[Fat Cat] 10:01 pm: 1 5/8 is about 41 mm
[enjenjo] 10:01 pm: I'm still up for that Ian
[] 10:01 pm: I'll see what we have there. GM doesn't usually use that on their exhaust for V6/8 cars. We don't have any 4 cyl business
[] 10:01 pm: 47.8 is around 1 7/8"
[Fat Cat] 10:01 pm: 1 7/8 is about 48mm
[] 10:02 pm: I'll talk to the bender operator at work. I'm sure some of that stuff falls off the truck now and again. If it is in the scrap bin, it is fair
game anyway
[enjenjo] 10:03 pm: the Crosley fit in the back of fatcat's Dakota
[GPster] 10:03 pm: watching a movie and forgot
[enjenjo] 10:03 pm: hi joe
[] 10:03 pm: Frank: what shape is your caddy motor in ?
[] 10:03 pm: How much stuff did you get Frank?
[] 10:03 pm: What I6? I am picking up another 235 but I'd think you'd want a 292 or so
[enjenjo] 10:03 pm: needs to be gone through
[enjenjo] 10:04 pm: locked up from setting
[] 10:04 pm: Inside or out?
[enjenjo] 10:04 pm: four engines, two trans, six wheels, and one of everything else
[enjenjo] 10:04 pm: inside
[] 10:05 pm: Good to hear. Do you need a column and steering wheel?
[] 10:05 pm: four engines?..hmmm one for each wheel! :p
[enjenjo] 10:05 pm: should be a clean and hone job
[] 10:06 pm: What movie, Joe? Anything good?
[enjenjo] 10:06 pm: we will probably fab something for the race car, factory stuff is too heavy
[] 10:06 pm: Need a box?
[] 10:07 pm: Or a R&P?
[enjenjo] 10:07 pm: For drag racing the car should be light. For LSR it should be heavy. We can add the weight where we want it
[] 10:07 pm: 292 would be MUCH better than 235, when the class limit is around 325
[GPster] 10:07 pm: That 350 of mine could go back together quick new cam,lifters chain and gaskets, plus no ring groove showing on a standard bore
[enjenjo] 10:08 pm: I am thinking Corvair box
[] 10:08 pm: got one ?
[] 10:08 pm: Didn't know the I6 limit was 325. Sounds good.
[] 10:08 pm: for XO the limit is 325 or something
[enjenjo] 10:08 pm: Somewhere here I have one, but it's been too cold to look for it
[] 10:08 pm: lets the inline 8 cyls run
[] 10:09 pm: anymore thoughts on that front axle frank?
[] 10:09 pm: I've got a 350 block & pistons .030 over but needs a crank turned.
[] 10:09 pm: 350 would be ok for drag racing
[] 10:10 pm: What gauges do you want to run? I have a line in at Autometer, would you put 'sponsor' tags on the car?
[enjenjo] 10:10 pm: Lets try it Joe, brother says we can shorten it no problem if needed
[] 10:10 pm: Frank: how about a Turbo 350 trans, might be better suited to lower hp motors
[] 10:10 pm: I've got 2 long tails.
[] 10:10 pm: O.K. sounds good
[enjenjo] 10:10 pm: we can run sponsor decals if we want
[] 10:11 pm: I thought that axle was too short already!!
[Fat Cat] 10:11 pm: The only problem with running a 350 turbo is that you cant adapt other engines to it easily
[] 10:11 pm: free is good
[Fat Cat] 10:11 pm: with the glide you can get various bells that bolt up to the case and then run other engines
[enjenjo] 10:12 pm: first gear is about the same on a glide, and a T350, and is nearly 29 lbs lighter
[] 10:12 pm: ok
[] 10:12 pm: So get a lighter driver!
[] 10:12 pm: Frank you want that 'Glide i have?
[enjenjo] 10:12 pm: Joe, you haven't seen how narrow a crosley is, about 48" overall
[] 10:13 pm: Phat, if you want a PG relay, I get to GM in Warren quite often. Any chance of hooking up?
[enjenjo] 10:13 pm: yes Joe, Tony says it should be fine
[] 10:13 pm: what is the min tread width in Competition Coupe ?
[enjenjo] 10:14 pm: no minimum as long as the body is not narrowed
[] 10:14 pm: Well, I was thinking of running down to Franks with the stuff i have to see what it all looks like...
[] 10:14 pm: pretty sure they brought in a minimum
[] 10:15 pm: Sounds like a good idea! Let me know and I'll go down as well. Do you still have any 46-48 gages?
[] 10:15 pm: yeah i have those gauges still
[] 10:16 pm: I've got a car they could fit in, I'll PM you.
[] 10:16 pm: Frank, how about i come down this week and drop off that stuff?
[enjenjo] 10:16 pm: I'll check again Ian, but it just said the body must be
stock width
[] 10:17 pm: "Front tread width may be narrowed a maximum of 12 in. less than OEM, but may not be less than 36 in. minimum. The entrant is required to provide the OEM front tread dimension."
[enjenjo] 10:17 pm: fine with me Joe, name the day
[] 10:17 pm: The body has to be stock width, from the cowl back
[] 10:17 pm: Does Wed. work?
[enjenjo] 10:17 pm: I thought you were talking about the rear
[] 10:17 pm: up front, you can get more creative
[enjenjo] 10:18 pm: yes it works Joe
[] 10:18 pm: I'll miss you. I'm in GA on Tu-Th for work.
[] 10:18 pm: O.K. that's the trans, axle and the wheels, right?
[enjenjo] 10:18 pm: 36" in front should be no problem
[] 10:18 pm: no I was thinking of the front end
[enjenjo] 10:19 pm: yes joe
[] 10:19 pm: O.K. Frank, I got to go, I'll p.m. you tomorrow about it.
[enjenjo] 10:20 pm: Ian, you have to run at least a facsimile of the front
bumper, don't you?
[enjenjo] 10:20 pm: ok joe
[] 10:20 pm: nope
[] 10:20 pm: O.K. g'night all
[] 10:20 pm: it might look cool though
[] 10:20 pm: night Phat
[] 10:20 pm: If you're going to do the stretch like Ian posted, you could paint it on!
[] 10:21 pm: Night Phat
[enjenjo] 10:21 pm: I seem to remember something about the front bumper and using an air dam
[] 10:21 pm: that would be in Altered
[] 10:21 pm: or something
[] 10:22 pm: Altered at Bonneville means slightly altered
[] 10:22 pm: Altered for drag racing means seriously altered
[enjenjo] 10:23 pm: I hope they get the SCTA books out soon
[GPster] 10:24 pm: Frank can you post tonight's discussion? I missed lots it seems
[enjenjo] 10:24 pm: dan, does that scrap S10 still have a cab?
[enjenjo] 10:25 pm: I have a log saved joe
[] 10:25 pm: Yes it does, Frank. No rear axle and I pulled the column and
started 'unwiring' it and the dash but it was a runner a few months ago.
[enjenjo] 10:27 pm: Just wondered. If you scrap it down here, you will need a title
[enjenjo] 10:27 pm: mich title ok
[] 10:27 pm: Bonneville rules give me a head ache
[enjenjo] 10:27 pm: me too Ian
[] 10:28 pm: too many Secret handshakes
[] 10:28 pm: I've got a title but we could scrap it in Adrian just the same.
I've got more to go anyway.
[enjenjo] 10:28 pm: yes
[enjenjo] 10:28 pm: ok Dan
[] 10:29 pm: What else do you need from it?
[enjenjo] 10:29 pm: Joe, we'll get it posted on the racer forum
[enjenjo] 10:30 pm: hi tony
[] 10:30 pm: I got the plugs for Court's tranny but haven't wired it yet. He's been sick as all get out. I'm the only one left in the house not yucky.
[Crosley] 10:30 pm: hi all
[enjenjo] 10:30 pm: Cheryl is sick
[] 10:30 pm: Howdy, Tony.
[enjenjo] 10:30 pm: a cold or something
[] 10:30 pm: I think the stock length steel nose makes more sense to start with
[] 10:31 pm: Sorry to hear about Cheryl. I'm trying to stay away from people.
[] 10:31 pm: it could be stretched later
[] 10:31 pm: If you want to do glass, I've got a cement mixer to make the vermiculite pancake batter for the form!
[enjenjo] 10:31 pm: that can be done Ian
[] 10:32 pm: I think glass would be a ton of work as well. Steel makes more sense for this.
[GPster] 10:32 pm: Well that fiberglass shower stall should be free tomorrow, will give us some flat pieces
[enjenjo] 10:32 pm: I did a lift off front end with 600 lbs of plaster one time
[] 10:33 pm: I've done enough glass work to know I don't like it
[enjenjo] 10:33 pm: that will work joe
[] 10:33 pm: I've only watched it on Mad Fabricators!!
[] 10:33 pm: itchy !
[enjenjo] 10:33 pm: the only bad part of glass is the sanding
[] 10:33 pm: and scratchy!
[] 10:34 pm: and smelly!
[] 10:34 pm: We could let Court and Eli sand!! You know they don't mind the dirty smelly work!!
[] 10:34 pm: using Polyester resin
[] 10:35 pm: so what else do we need to figure out ?
[enjenjo] 10:35 pm: Dan, some things even rats won't do
[] 10:35 pm: Wow, that's saying something. Even for pizza?
[enjenjo] 10:36 pm: well at this point, we need to get a frame designed, and see what we have for parts, so we will know what we need.
[enjenjo] 10:36 pm: That's why scientists use lawyers
[] 10:37 pm: I was hoping you weren't calling my kids rats but if you call them lawyers we got a fight!
[GPster] 10:37 pm: Any more about the guy that is interested in the mechanical parts?
[enjenjo] 10:38 pm: they use lawyers because some things rats won't do
[enjenjo] 10:38 pm: I have to get hold of him, Tony gave ne ball park prices on the parts
[] 10:39 pm: Let me know what I can do. I'm off to get the sickos to bed!
[enjenjo] 10:39 pm: otherwise I'll take them to the national meet
[enjenjo] 10:39 pm: ok Dan
[] 10:40 pm: Night all.
[] 10:40 pm: night
[Fat Cat] 10:40 pm: later dan
[enjenjo] 10:40 pm: later
[Crosley] 10:40 pm: bye
[Fat Cat] 10:40 pm: I can give you some design drawing if you give me some sketchs as to what you want
[GPster] 10:41 pm: I'd think they might be nice to trade for some earlier front sheetmetal if they don't sell
[enjenjo] 10:41 pm: ok, I can do that
[] 10:41 pm: Frank: did you say you have enough 2x3" tube for a chassis ?
[enjenjo] 10:41 pm: I thought about that too Joe, sheet metal is harder to find than motors
[enjenjo] 10:42 pm: I have about 6 ft of 1 1/2" by 3" by .120 tubing here
[enjenjo] 10:42 pm: 60 ft
[] 10:42 pm: that's better
[] 10:43 pm: do you want to use that ?
[enjenjo] 10:43 pm: I can get 2 by 3 by 120 at a pretty good price
[] 10:43 pm: for the frame
[GPster] 10:43 pm: I have some ideas for more recognizable stretched front sheetmetal but I haven't found any good pictures to cut/paste
[enjenjo] 10:44 pm: whatever we decide, I am not sure the 1 1/2 by 3" will do it without a good cage
[enjenjo] 10:44 pm: although my last drag car had 2 1/2 by 2 1/3 main rails
[enjenjo] 10:45 pm: and a 120" wheelbase
[] 10:45 pm: need a decent cage
[] 10:46 pm: I can do some research
[GPster] 10:46 pm: Doesn't the only 1 1/2" wide make it hard for the base of the roll bar?
[] 10:46 pm: the fast cars are all round tubes
[] 10:46 pm: what was the dia of the cage again ?
[enjenjo] 10:47 pm: yes, but they are a lot harder to build
[] 10:47 pm: 1 3/4" x .125 ?
[enjenjo] 10:47 pm: 1 3/4"
[] 10:47 pm: definitely harder to build, but we can get ideas from them
[enjenjo] 10:48 pm: I'll look into the 2 by 3
[] 10:48 pm: maybe 2 x 2"
[enjenjo] 10:48 pm: The cage can be mounted on outriggers on the frame
[GPster] 10:50 pm: I'd be afraid of something with only 2" of height bending quite easy if you lift the front wheels and don't have a braced nose
[enjenjo] 10:51 pm: well guys, I'm calling it a night
[enjenjo] 10:51 pm: we can deal with that joe
[GPster] 10:51 pm: Hope Cheryl feels better Night
[enjenjo] 10:51 pm: let me do some scetches for fatcat
[enjenjo] 10:51 pm: me to joe
[enjenjo] 10:51 pm: night
[Crosley] 10:52 pm: ok
[] 10:52 pm: 2x2 would need a second rail above it
[GPster] 10:52 pm: Good night all
[] 10:53 pm: night
[] 10:56 pm: Ok guys, Ill catch y'all later

[enjenjo]

Welcome! You have entered [The Knights Lounge] at 8:58 pm
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[enjenjo] 8:58 pm: hi joe
[] 9:00 pm: Hi Frank
[] 9:00 pm: how ya doing?
[enjenjo] 9:00 pm: see you made it home ok
[enjenjo] 9:00 pm: recovering
[] 9:00 pm: yup, had a good time in Findlay
[] 9:01 pm: recovering from what?
[enjenjo] 9:01 pm: I have been sick since wed afternoon
[enjenjo] 9:01 pm: flu I guess
[] 9:01 pm: dang, guess i left at the right time!
[enjenjo] 9:02 pm: today was the first time I was out in the shop since you were here
[] 9:02 pm: Lots of flu going around here
[The Knights Lounge]: GPster has entered at 9:02 pm
[enjenjo] 9:03 pm: I'm still not 100 percent, but I am better
[enjenjo] 9:03 pm: hi joe
[] 9:03 pm: Seems like it is taking a long time to recover
[GPster] 9:03 pm: Can't stay send me a copy if you talk about the car GPster
[enjenjo] 9:03 pm: I spent the time trying to interpret the rules
[enjenjo] 9:04 pm: ok joe
[] 9:04 pm: yeah, those rules seems confusing
[enjenjo] 9:05 pm: Well, I think I have the NHRA rules figured out, just have to integrate them with the SCTA rules
[] 9:05 pm: What NHRA class could we run?
[enjenjo] 9:05 pm: It looks like we should just build for an ET, rather than a class
[] 9:06 pm: bracket racing?
[enjenjo] 9:06 pm: yes
[] 9:06 pm: O.K.
[enjenjo] 9:06 pm: there is no current class that we fit into easily
[] 9:07 pm: what do you think about using that Caddy motor?
[The Knights Lounge]: unklian has entered at 9:08 pm
[enjenjo] 9:08 pm: We can do that, for an et bracket any motor will work
[enjenjo] 9:08 pm: hi Ian
[unklian] 9:08 pm: Hi guys
[] 9:09 pm: Hello
[enjenjo] 9:09 pm: For NHRA we need 1 1/2" roll bars
[] 9:09 pm: how heavy?
[enjenjo] 9:09 pm: for SCTA we need 1 3/4" bars
[enjenjo] 9:09 pm: .118 wall
[enjenjo] 9:10 pm: or .063 CM
[unklian] 9:10 pm: Did you get the new SCTA book
[unklian] 9:10 pm: ?
[enjenjo] 9:10 pm: not yet
[] 9:10 pm: 1 3/4" would be O.K. for NHRA too?
[unklian] 9:10 pm: SCTA doesn't give a break for CM
[enjenjo] 9:11 pm: also for SCTA it has to have a metal seat
[enjenjo] 9:11 pm: I'll look at that again Ian
[unklian] 9:12 pm: A lot of SCTA rules are in reaction to someone getting hurt
[enjenjo] 9:12 pm: In any case I am figuring Mils steel
[enjenjo] 9:12 pm: mild
[unklian] 9:12 pm: mild steel is a much better choice for a few reasons
[enjenjo] 9:12 pm: no need for CM
[unklian] 9:12 pm: right
[] 9:12 pm: not too worried about weight
[enjenjo] 9:13 pm: not the least of which is ease of welding
[unklian] 9:13 pm: and price
[enjenjo] 9:13 pm: yes
[] 9:13 pm: Who do you know that can weld that axle frank?
[The Knights Lounge]: WZ JUNK has entered at 9:13 pm
[unklian] 9:14 pm: shhh! here is is now
[WZ JUNK] 9:14 pm: Helo everyone
[enjenjo] 9:14 pm: my buddy Billy Z can do it for me
[] 9:14 pm: Hello
[enjenjo] 9:14 pm: hi john
[unklian] 9:14 pm: howdy
[enjenjo] 9:14 pm: or I can take it to Performance Welding here in Toledo
[WZ JUNK] 9:15 pm: did I just step in something?
[] 9:15 pm: Did you get a chance to look at the kingpin holes in the axle?
[enjenjo] 9:15 pm: I did not masure them, but we can bush the spondles to fit the axle size
[] 9:16 pm: good
[enjenjo] 9:16 pm: not that I can see John
[unklian] 9:17 pm: how much HP did the 500 Caddy make ?
[enjenjo] 9:17 pm: I have to check with a couple chassis builders here about bending the cage like we want it
[enjenjo] 9:18 pm: factory they were rated between 350 and 499 hp
[unklian] 9:18 pm: 1 3/4" x .095" is common with the oval track guys
[unklian] 9:18 pm: 499 is good
[enjenjo] 9:19 pm: sorry 400 hp
[unklian] 9:19 pm: typo - bummer
[enjenjo] 9:19 pm: but they have 510 ft lb of torque stock
[unklian] 9:19 pm: even so, 400 hp in a light car is a good starting point
[] 9:20 pm: This thing going to have slicks, or DOT tires?
[enjenjo] 9:20 pm: slicks, probably 11.50
[unklian] 9:20 pm: could use either for drag racing
[enjenjo] 9:21 pm: slicks are typically more consistent for a bracket car
[] 9:22 pm: I wonder if anyone has an old pair to donate or sell cheap?
[] 9:23 pm: what tires for Bonneville?
[enjenjo] 9:23 pm: Finding a pair to build with should be easy
[enjenjo] 9:23 pm: front runners
[enjenjo] 9:23 pm: 700 15 or so
[enjenjo] 9:24 pm: but that is on down the line
[] 9:24 pm: would we need adifferent rear end for Bonneville?
[] 9:24 pm: widthwise that is
[enjenjo] 9:24 pm: I have some rims and tires for Bville mockup
[enjenjo] 9:25 pm: 7" tires
[enjenjo] 9:25 pm: you don't want a wide tire at Bville
[] 9:26 pm: I was thinking that the dragrace rear might be too narrow for Bonneville
[enjenjo] 9:27 pm: Ian, SCTA engine setback is at least 25 percent, but not more than 50 percent
[enjenjo] 9:28 pm: we will build the rear for the narrow tires, inside the body, and just let the slicks hang out
[] 9:28 pm: 25% of what? the stock wheelbase?
[unklian] 9:28 pm: yes
[enjenjo] 9:28 pm: of the actual wheelbase
[unklian] 9:28 pm: I think that list requires one or more of the listed modifications
[unklian] 9:28 pm: but it is worded poorly
[enjenjo] 9:29 pm: yes, nose stretched at least 10", or top chopped at least 3"
[unklian] 9:29 pm: max set back is 50%, I'm assuming that is of the final wheelbase
[enjenjo] 9:29 pm: there are a couple more too
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[enjenjo] 9:30 pm: yes, as I read the rules Ian
[unklian] 9:30 pm: not sure if they specify a minimum chop
[unklian] 9:30 pm: belly pan
[enjenjo] 9:30 pm: yes, that is one of them too
[phat46] 9:31 pm: What class is that for?
[unklian] 9:31 pm: Competition Coupe
[unklian] 9:31 pm: for SCTA
[enjenjo] 9:31 pm: the 3" chop is minimum to weed out stockers looking for another class
[phat46] 9:33 pm: Different engine for SCTA?
[enjenjo] 9:33 pm: yes, most definitely
[enjenjo] 9:34 pm: probably a small on to get the record speed down where we can meet it
[phat46] 9:34 pm: save one of the Crosley motors! :p
[enjenjo] 9:35 pm: that might do
[unklian] 9:35 pm: I'm looking at the DLRA rules right now
[phat46] 9:36 pm: What is DLRA?
[enjenjo] 9:36 pm: If the record is below 175 mph, you need less safety equipment
[enjenjo] 9:37 pm: dry lakes racing
[phat46] 9:38 pm: Oh yeah
[phat46] 9:38 pm: none of those around here...
[unklian] 9:38 pm: Austrailian land Speed racing
[unklian] 9:38 pm: http://www.dlra.org.au/docs/dlrarules.pdf
[phat46] 9:39 pm: Frank, anyone else come on board?
[unklian] 9:40 pm: The DLRA rules are based on SCTA rules.
[enjenjo] 9:40 pm: I will have to ask fatcat, but I don't think so
[unklian] 9:41 pm: The difference is, the DLRA rules are avaulable online, the SCTA rules are only available in print form, and they sell out every year
[unklian] 9:41 pm: Frank: did you read "6.2 Vintage Catagory" ?
[WZ JUNK] 9:42 pm: I plan to chip in a little on the project in the future. Right now I am working on my own stuff and I do not have any shop income at the moment. I do have some work scheduled in a month or so.
[enjenjo] 9:42 pm: No problem john, we are not on a schedule
[enjenjo] 9:42 pm: no Ian
[enjenjo] 9:43 pm: I am in my first reading
[enjenjo] 9:43 pm: I wanted to understand the NHRA stuff first
[enjenjo] 9:44 pm: I want to understand both before we design the chassis
[WZ JUNK] 9:45 pm: The SCTA rules can be very confusing sometimes. Sumner, Hooley, and I can help some. Dan Warner is on the HAMB and he is easy accesible and very helpful. Dan is in charge of impound and he knows the rules.
[unklian] 9:45 pm: Good luck understanding all the SCTA stuff
[enjenjo] 9:45 pm: things are slow here too john
[phat46] 9:45 pm: yes that might save a lot of changes down the line
[enjenjo] 9:46 pm: well, I can do a preliminary design, and send it to dan and see what he says
[phat46] 9:46 pm: Is that for NHRA, or both?
[enjenjo] 9:47 pm: both
[enjenjo] 9:47 pm: NHRA is pretty easy
[enjenjo] 9:47 pm: SCTA is the hard one
[WZ JUNK] 9:49 pm: I am currently trying to help two local groups that are building cars for Bonneville. None of them have ever been there. I am having trouble trying to explain some of the odd things about the SCTA and about the salt flats but they are starting to figure it out.
[enjenjo] 9:49 pm: when we get the axles made, I will have them drilled with multiple bolt patterns
[unklian] 9:49 pm: How many patterns can they squeeze in there ?
[enjenjo] 9:50 pm: they can do at least 3
[unklian] 9:50 pm: good stuff
[phat46] 9:50 pm: one will be 5.5 i assume?
[enjenjo] 9:51 pm: yes
[unklian] 9:52 pm: LOTS of cars being built for Bonneville right now
[enjenjo] 9:52 pm: yes, I know
[WZ JUNK] 9:52 pm: Hooley ran the Henry J at Denton, Texas yesterday. It was the first runs with the new big motor. He did a giant wheelie on his first pass. He nearly dragged the rear bumper on the track. He is ordering wheelie bars tomorrow. The car is much faster.
[phat46] 9:53 pm: any video of that?
[unklian] 9:54 pm: How do they measure "tread width" at Bonneville ?
[WZ JUNK] 9:54 pm: Hooley has a still picture by the track photographer but I have not seen it yet.
[unklian] 9:54 pm: outside to outside ?
[enjenjo] 9:55 pm: I don't know Ian
[enjenjo] 9:56 pm: you know John?
[WZ JUNK] 9:56 pm: I am not sure they measure tread width at Bonneville. They are more interested in the speed rating. There may be some classes that specify a tread width but I have never had experience with tread width.
[unklian] 9:57 pm: they specify minimum tread width for some classes
[unklian] 9:57 pm: that is not the width of the tire
[enjenjo] 9:57 pm: As long as the body is stock width I don't think there is a spec
[unklian] 9:57 pm: rather the space between the tires
[WZ JUNK] 9:58 pm: Now the track width is something I know some classes have specifications.
[unklian] 9:58 pm: The DLRA rules for Vintage specify 44" front, 50" rear
[enjenjo] 9:59 pm: I'll see what I can find out
[unklian] 9:59 pm: Pretty sure they brought in a Min for other classes
[unklian] 10:00 pm: specifying a minimum is fine, but they don't specify how it is measured
[WZ JUNK] 10:01 pm: I gotta go. Feel free to contact me anytime. I will try to help or put you on to someone who can answer your question. It is to be about 10 degrees in the morning and I will need to wake up the school bus a little earlier than normal so I must go to bed. Have a great week.
[phat46] 10:02 pm: G'night
[unklian] 10:02 pm: Good night
[enjenjo] 10:02 pm: later john
[enjenjo] 10:05 pm: I am not having any success with tread widths, I will spend some time looking
[unklian] 10:05 pm: I remember seeing something on landracing.com
[phat46] 10:06 pm: I gotta go too
[phat46] 10:06 pm: talk to you later
[unklian] 10:06 pm: good night
[enjenjo] 10:07 pm: I'm out of steam Ian, been sick all week. I'll see what I can find on the width
[unklian] 10:08 pm: I will see you Sat
[enjenjo] 10:08 pm: see you later
[unklian] 10:08 pm: take care
[enjenjo] 10:08 pm: yes
[unklian] 10:08 pm: ok