The Rodding Roundtable
Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: Crosley.In.AZ on January 30, 2009, 08:29:27 PM
I rebuilt one of these old dinosaurs today... it's been a decade or so since I built one.
Quote from: "Crosley"I rebuilt one of these old dinosaurs today... it's been a decade or so since I built one.
Looks great !!! I have a question, Do you always paint them after a rebuild ? Does that make them a little hotter or not ?
Thanks, Rick
Why do they have 2 pumps? I dismantled a powerglide and it had a front and rear pump.
Quote from: "2rods"Why do they have 2 pumps? I dismantled a powerglide and it had a front and rear pump.
For a push start, I'm guessing................. :lol:
The rear pump power glide will not up shift to 2nd gear if the rear pump fails. usually the drive pin shears of in the p-glide rear pump.
Most of the rear pump trannys would push start.
a coating of paint does not hurt the trans temps.
for crosley, hey my 2000 f250 powerstroke 4x4 's od trans wont respond to the button on the stlk to turn off overdrive. i hav e changed the button, what is likely the problem 200k miles otherwise works great has banks turbo etc
The cruiseomatic trans was refered to as an FMX transmission.When the rear pump had enough pressure going out through it to lock up the trans and actually could jumps start a crar atr arounf 28-35 mph.
I actually only rememer on guy trying this without success,if I reacll right.
IT's a heavy cast iron piece.WAs Just about as dependable as anothing out there.The Mopar TorqueFlight had a pretty good tract record at the track.
The FMX only draw back was that if you didn't change fluid and clean the filter screen,the rubber o ring seals would get hard and cause real shift problems when cold.Band technology was pretty poor to.
The Paisano
The FMX trans came later , after the small , medium , large case Cruise-O matic trans.
Easy way to tell a FMX trans.... they are case fill which means the dip stick filler tube inserts into the case , not the pan filler tube as the pictured transmission.
The pictured cruise-O is a medium case, the most common size.
Sam... a scanner on the f-250 truck would show if the command for O-drive was changing off or on. If the command is there.. then a solenoid problem most likely. You need a CAN capable scanner , not a cheap code reader.
IF the command for o-drive off/on is not there... then i suspect an electrical problem from the steering column on down to the trans. Some tilt columns had wire problems if the tilt was often cycled up and down daily.
This comes at a pretty good time as we're gittin' set to git after a cast iron Cruise-O' as well. This one's still bolted to the back of a good used Studebaker 289 and the package is gunna end up in a Deuce leftovers project. I'm encounterin' some head-scratchin' resistance from friends who just don't understand... I'm usin' this 'cause I have it. Does that make sense here? I knew you guys would understand.
just curious... tony. ever thought about snapping picts of all the older or oddball stuff that goes through .. make a picture history of your own... instead of just drawings to identify stuff...
enough images... you could even make a coffee table book out of the images..
again.. just a passing thought...
Quote from: "wayne petty"just curious... tony. ever thought about snapping picts of all the older or oddball stuff that goes through .. make a picture history of your own... instead of just drawings to identify stuff...
enough images... you could even make a coffee table book out of the images..
again.. just a passing thought...
wayne,
I have hundreds of photos of various transmissions , related internal parts.
Quote from: "dragrcr50"for crosley, hey my 2000 f250 powerstroke 4x4 's od trans wont respond to the button on the stlk to turn off overdrive. i hav e changed the button, what is likely the problem 200k miles otherwise works great has banks turbo etc
Is that button on the end of the shifter? If so it might be having the same problem as Chev trucks turning on tow/haul. The wire coming down from the button breaks from the constant bending. I got tired of fixing mine and extended the wire enough to reach a monetary button I put in the side of the console
tony... a thought... just hit me... in emergency flat towing... would/might dumping several extra quarts of atf in the trans help lube things during the tow...??? i know that pulling the drive shaft is the way to go... but you just cannot convince some people....
i still remember the old man with the big boat.. telling me of how he was flat towing one of his cars... when he felt a bump from the towed car...
then the torque converter out of that car passed him on the right going about 40mph... rolled up a gas station drive way.. bounced off the pumps and with some speed still left in it... right into the service bays...
seems the motor was out of that car... nothing holding the converter in place... it was probably a late 50's lincoln continental..
i wonder what the techs in the service bay were thinking.. as a torque converter came crashing into their shop....
hey guys in passing, i used to run a trans shop til the early 90s and then it was gonig til about 99 and the owner was murdered/ anyway his son is a very good friend of mine and big time street rodder.
His mother wont let him scrap eveything as it shoud be several nice bldgs and equip . heres the deal he has many rebuilt transmissions automatic and standard in stock and a lot of rebuilt trans converters. they did the converters in thier own shop . he still has all of these and they have been built for many yrs now, but would like to sell them. so if you have something you cannot find get with me and ill see if it is in stock and can be boughtr very reasonable i think , we has some old cast iron cruisomatics, jetaways etc around . i know lots of old chrysler trannies etc. the guys that ran it for him and killed him were dirt racers and all fo the chevy stuff is gone . just a thought might help someone ..sam
A friend of mine once bought a car with a Cruis-O out of a junkyard & had the yard tow it his place in the country. It was hooked to the tow truck when we got there to escort him out to the place so we didn't know the driveshaft was still in. After about 12 miles at 45-55mph it was clear the rear pump was trying to lock something up because we looked in the rearview mirror to see smoke rolling out from under the car. The think was so hot it didn't stop smoking for almost 1/2 hour.
Interesting read on this thread. Powerglides only used one pump from around 64 onwards, the rear pump version had the stumpy extension housing similar to the cast iron glide. I found this out when I was given a low mileage late Glide that had a cracked housing after the vehicle was T boned . I had a tired 62 version,and thought it clever to just to strip it and use just the main housing to get the damaged newer box back into service,. in my newly under construction 34 Ford. After the "rebuild" the box had no reverse, after some reading, I lifted the vehicle,removed the tailshaft,and extension housing and then started a night of inspecting and comparing the capilliaries on each housing behind the extension housings , I found the discarded latter casing had a small hole in one spot,after depthing it, and sizing it ,I used a drill with a limiting sleeve ,sat under the vehicle and drilled. After refitting the ext housing, fired her up, and was pleased to have reverse,looks like when they did away with the rear pump,an alternate path for fluid utilising the front pump was designed. Most early auto manuals do also warn on towing automatic vehicles,speed and distance limitations apply,safer to remove the tailshaft. I did this when towing a Ford Customline some 140 miles on my own with an "A" frame nearly 39 yrs ago. The powerglide fiasco was 1976 ,and still remember it with amusement today ......Frank.
I've heard all the comments on when the rear pump went away from the aluminum power glide. A Certain year it stopped, the 27 spline(fine) output shaft never had a rear pump, etc ... I'm not sure.
I know I worked on a couple of original 67 Camaros with glides in them. They had rear pumps on the glides.
Sorry Tony,must have been having a Senior Moment
The Flyin *-aka "The Paisano"
Hello;
I remember having to rebuild one of these that was in my 67 Galaxie 500! It wasn't too hard except that we had to go back to the supply whse to get all the right stuff as it seems that the trans was a culmination of a couple different models and we were told that Ford used what it had to put some together.
All I know is when we were finished it worked flawlessly!
It was an oily, oily, mess to do! if you can picture two guys in a two car garage with normal tools! I didn't think we would ever get it back together but my friend knew what he was doing and pressed on till the end!
Bruce
in case you are wondering... seems that realestatemk3 is curious if they have any 65 Tbird transmission at the closed shop...
Quote from: "wayne petty"in case you are wondering... seems that realestatemk3 is curious if they have any 65 Tbird transmission at the closed shop...
i just saw that, ill check with larry and see........sam