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Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: elwood on March 25, 2007, 02:12:57 PM
im looking for a flathead motor mounting bracket for a truck, looks like a big ol horseshoe ,
thanks
Don't want to seem stupid but do you mean the one for the generator?
Its for a mopar flatheas six?
what im looking for is the horseshoe looking front motor mount mounting bracket, it bolts to the block with 2 holes on each side inside the water pumps, and the motor mounts bolt to it.
i have a 51 8ba block. im stuffing it in my 29 2 door sdn,
thanks for your reply
elwood
I thought Ford flathead motor mounts were tabs integral to the water pumps themselves.
The tabs rest on top of "donut" style pads. And, in a Model A chassis, the donuts sit on fabricated mounts welded to the frame rails jut behind the front crossmember.
It has been almost 50 years since I built my AV8. But as I recall, that is how I did it. I don't recall a horseshoe style mount for a flathead.
Speedway sells several different style water pumps. The ones you need are used to put a late flathead in a 32-48 Ford automobile chassis.
Hurst, and now Speedway, made/make a sort of horseshoe looking mount for putting Chevy motors in 32-48 Ford automobile chassis.
The Mike Bishop/Vern Tardel book "How To Build A Traditional Ford Hot Rod" has a lot of relevant info.
as I recall some of the pumps had mounts, others did not,
the large saddle mount design was used in many vehicles
Quote from: "Crosley"as I recall some of the pumps had mounts, others did not,
the large saddle mount design was used in many vehicles
Honest engine. I've never seen one.
Here is the link to the Speedway water pumps in question.
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/5317,280_1949-53-Engine-in-1949-53-Pick-Up-or-1932-48-Car-Water-Pump.html
The water pumps in question are '49 to '51 Ford trucks and I think maybe the same year Mercurys. They were on the same vehicles that used that 1/2 bellhousing that allowed you to fasten the 8BA blocks to the '32 to '48 transmissions. I thought at one time you could get those water pumps at Speedway or you might try "Joe Smith Early Ford and Hot Rod Parts Inc." in Marietta, Georgia www.joesmithauto.com . Check with whoever you get the pumps from and find out if they are narrow or wide belt and what you need to have to match your generator. The people at Joe Smith can be VERY helpful. I once was looking for a higher volumn Melling oil pump for an early flathead. They had an insiders way to Melling that they used . One of their employees was on the pit crew of a NASCAR racer that Melling was sponsoring. They used that trick to supply me. GPster
The simplest and probably the least-expensive solution is to use waterpumps from a Ford truck (1947-1953) or a Canadian Mercury truck (1948-1954).
You could fabricate a saddle mount, like the type often referred to as a "Hurst" mount that was a popular solution for parking SBCs in early Ford chassis. The Ford's water-return spigots from the radiator will probably get in the way, however, plus there are only two unused holes on the front of the Ford block to bolt a saddle mount to.
Not only do the truck pumps have the mounting "feet" you need, the pulleys are also positioned correctly to provide belt clearance for your side-mount distributor and line up with the 8BA crankshaft pulley.
The pumps are available from Speedway and from SF Flatheads for the same dollars; coincidentally, I'm photographing the waterpumps for SF Flatheads' web site tomorrow, and they will appear within a few days. Excuse the shameless plug, but I've been working with these folks who have salvaged the French flathead hardware stash from its recent marketing mess, making it affordable and accessible.
Mike
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hey mike, i am running the same set up as you pictured,
my problem is the pump ears stick out to far, i need to keep every thing in side the frame rails \,
im looking for that saddle mount, or what ever its called
Quote from: "elwood"hey mike, i am running the same set up as you pictured,
my problem is the pump ears stick out to far, i need to keep every thing in side the frame rails \,
im looking for that saddle mount, or what ever its called
What frame (and width) are you running? Also, what's the application-- street, drags, lakes?
I had assumed you were talking about an early Ford chassis -- apparently not.
Mike
those french flatheads seem to pop every where
Quote from: "Crosley"those french flatheads seem to pop every where
Really? Who else is selling them?
Mike
Quote from: "av8"Quote from: "Crosley"those french flatheads seem to pop every where
Really? Who else is selling them?
Mike
what I meant was :
they seem to show up often , like they are still being manufactured or not sold.
:shock:
i am stuffing this 8ba in my 29 2 door sdn,
You'd better find a picture to show us. Those mounts were the industry standard. All of Hurst mounts were set to meet that width so that everything would bolt into a '39 to '48 ford frame. Some of the other possibilities might be: The French had a different mount configuration, You're thinking about an earlier flat head engine with the water pumps in the heads or You're thinking about a 60 HP engine. The only frame that I can remember being that narrow would be the "T". I don't think "A" frames are much different than '32s because one of the tricks was to use an "A" crossmember in a '32 frame because it was flatter. If you are using an "A" frame you could be confused by the 4 cylinder mounts because they were narrow (like you describe). The "A" frames were 103" long and the "32 frames were 106" to give more length for the bigger motor. The usual course of events was to cut off the back of the "A" crossmember when using the "A" frame because the Flathead crank pulley could not sit in that crossmember recess. If you're that narrow you may have the engine too far foreward. A V8s run un-fendered because they use the "32 frame and if they have a hood it's longer than a stock "A". Show us a picture of what you think you want. GPster