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Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: ice1272 on August 13, 2006, 11:58:42 PM

Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: ice1272 on August 13, 2006, 11:58:42 PM
a friend of mine gave me a 1969 351 windsor 2bl motor. The engine was running when pulled out of a Galaxy about eight years ago. Since I needed a motor for my Model A I took it home and tore into it. My friend who I absolutely trust in everyway insisted the engine ran great when he pulled it out of the car. However I found a dime size hole  :cry: behind the Distributer in the valley where the lifters are, I felt this block was a goner. However looking around on ebay I have seen at least two sbf blocks with nearly the same hole, is this a flaw or not :? ? The hole is not regular shape as if it had been drilled but looks like something went through it?
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: donsrods on August 14, 2006, 05:18:46 AM
Trying to envision which hole you are talking about, but there are various holes in there, like oil drain holes, etc.

Take a picture and post it.  But I have the feeling this hole is not a defect.


Don
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: ice1272 on August 14, 2006, 07:51:33 AM
Here's a picture of the hole in the block . Thanks for the suggestion Don.
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: EMSjunkie on August 14, 2006, 09:34:41 AM
Kinda looks like an oil drain back to me :?

looks like somebody "opened up" a drain back, pretty common
pratice for a SBC. but I dunno about SBF's

hopefully someone with more Ford experience than I will chime in


Vance
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: jaybee on August 14, 2006, 09:54:13 AM
Kinda ragged looking for a factory-cast hole but it doesn't appear as if it should go anywhere except into the timing cover area, is that the case?
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: ice1272 on August 14, 2006, 10:35:48 AM
I believe that is where the holes lead to but not sure Ill go check. Here's two pictures I got off the web showing the same hole I guess its suppose to be there , but like you said it looks ragged as H*^%!

Chris
Title: Second pic
Post by: ice1272 on August 14, 2006, 10:39:32 AM
Here's the second one
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: donsrods on August 14, 2006, 12:49:16 PM
Yep, these are normal.



Don
Title: Hole in block
Post by: ice1272 on August 14, 2006, 12:56:32 PM
Thanks Don, now my next question what is the hole for and why did'nt Ford due for the lack of a better word, a prettier job ?
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: kb426 on August 14, 2006, 01:08:38 PM
It's a normal hole but other than possibly oiling the timing chain, I would be clueless as to why. The oil level in the valley has to be substanial before any runs out. The timing chains primary oil source is the spray from the front cam bearing.
Title: Hole in block 351 windsor
Post by: Dave on August 14, 2006, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: "kb426"It's a normal hole but other than possibly oiling the timing chain, I would be clueless as to why. The oil level in the valley has to be substanial before any runs out. The timing chains primary oil source is the spray from the front cam bearing.

Well maybe they put it there just because :?:
Dave
Title: Re: Hole in block
Post by: donsrods on August 14, 2006, 06:35:54 PM
Quote from: "ice1272"Thanks Don, now my next question what is the hole for and why did'nt Ford due for the lack of a better word, a prettier job ?


Really don't know, but it probably has something to do with the casting process. Plus, there is no real need to dress it up or shape it differently.  I have never really thought much about them, but now that you mention it, I have seen these on every sbf I have ever played with.

If a guy wanted to be really cool he could deburr some of the loose slag off of them, just to keep anything from ending up in the pan, but I have never heard of this being an issue or problem.


Don
Title: Hole in block
Post by: ice1272 on August 14, 2006, 08:06:05 PM
Well I appreciate all the information and Im glad that I've got a motor I can probably use. :b-d:

Chris
Title: Re: Hole in block
Post by: Jokester on August 14, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
On a related note, a hole has been discovered in a nearby town.  Police are looking into it!

Ha.

.bjb
Title: hole
Post by: ram-rod on August 15, 2006, 05:59:18 AM
during the casting prosess the hole provides a place to hold the sand core stable during the pour  so the new block will have a void for the timing chain  and the liffter webbing
when they are casting so many they have to be put together quickly and accuratly not pretty  

pretty comes when they machine the important bits