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Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: doco maker on March 23, 2006, 05:55:40 AM

Poll
Question: Have you been effected by hoon laws? How?
Option 1: Are hoon laws a good thing or bad thing? votes: 1
Option 2: What do you think of hoon laws? votes: 0
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: doco maker on March 23, 2006, 05:55:40 AM
Hi all,

I'm a documentary filmmaker from Perth, Western Australia, doing some research for a film about hoon laws.

Basically this is a chance to give your point of view on hoon laws. Are they good? Bad? Don't effect you? Have changed your life?

I'm looking for people that might

1) Consider themselves hoons
2) Have been labelled (fairly or unfairly) as a hoon
3) Feel they have been targeted (fairly or unfairly) as the result of hoon laws.
4) Are passionate about their cars!!!

If you have an interesting, funny, terrible story I'd like to hear it. If you love your car, and want to talk about it, even better! I'd love to see pictures of cars, descriptions of what you've done for them and with them, and what they mean to you.

I'm particularly interested in hearing from people in Kalgoorlie, WA, or can talk about that area, as hoon laws are quite new there.

At this stage it's just an idea and hopefully will become a program aired on national and possibly international TV. It will be shaped by the people who participate in it.

As for me... I grew up in an area where people loved their cars and would devote themselves completely to working on them, so when I heard about these laws I wondered how it could impact on peoples' lives.

I'll keep an eye on this forum to see if there are any responses.

Look forward to hearing from you!

Bridget
Title: Re: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: tomslik on March 23, 2006, 07:50:50 AM
prolly doesn't apply to me but wtf is a "hoon"?
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: timkins on March 23, 2006, 08:14:45 AM
My question exactly. What is a HOON????
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Dennis the Menace on March 23, 2006, 09:51:55 AM
I found by doing a google search.
Dennis

hoon
Noun
hoon

(Australian English, slang) Lout.
(Australian and New Zealand English, slang) a young man who drives badly or excessively quickly; a street drag racer often driving heavily-customized cars.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: rumrumm on March 23, 2006, 11:09:48 AM
I AIN'T NO HOON! LOL!!
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Charlie Chops 1940 on March 23, 2006, 01:09:49 PM
I was a hoon when I was lots younger, but I've been in recovery for these many years.

Charlie
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: GPster on March 23, 2006, 01:36:13 PM
Quote from: "Dennis the Menace"(Australian English, slang) Lout.
(Australian and New Zealand English, slang) a young man who drives badly or excessively quickly; a street drag racer often driving heavily-customized cars.
It might be a misspelling of what you would say if you founf out you lived next to one, "OH NO!". GPster
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: unklian on March 23, 2006, 02:55:21 PM
Maybe someone can post a link to the Aussie forum ?
Title: Hoon?
Post by: butch27 on March 23, 2006, 05:52:16 PM
Hoon--I thought he said  Baf hoon. That's what I am. LOL
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: 58 Yeoman on March 23, 2006, 07:12:07 PM
He?  Bridget is a he?  All the Bridgets that I know are she's. :lol:

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: tomslik on March 23, 2006, 07:31:01 PM
Quote from: "58 Yeoman"He?  Bridget is a he?  All the Bridgets that I know are she's. :lol:

That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

"brokeback aussie"?
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: EMSjunkie on March 23, 2006, 07:35:24 PM
Quote from: "Dennis the Menace"I found by doing a google search.
Dennis

hoon
Noun
hoon

(Australian English, slang) Lout.
(Australian and New Zealand English, slang) a young man who drives badly or excessively quickly; a street drag racer often driving heavily-customized cars.


Sounds alot like Crosley to me......... :shock:  :roll:


Vance
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: phat46 on March 23, 2006, 08:05:26 PM
hmmm, never been called a hoon, but it'd make a great liscence plate!!! :roll:

*edit* wait, me mums from England, she'd probably not like that on my plate, as she might be the only person to not consider me a hoon!!!!!  :lol:
Title: hoon?
Post by: donnie g on March 23, 2006, 08:54:55 PM
:P well you ain't nut'in but a hoon dawg! thats an old elvis tune ain't it? :lol:  :lol:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Carps on March 24, 2006, 04:02:04 AM
I knew zakly whut he meant.   :shock:

The 'Aussie Hoon' is closely related to the 'Yanke Squirrel' I think they both share the 'Yobbo' gene.   :wink:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: purplepickup on March 24, 2006, 06:03:56 AM
Quote from: "Carps"The 'Aussie Hoon' is closely related to the 'Yanke Squirrel' I think they both share the 'Yobbo' gene.   :wink:
Oh.......it's perfectly clear now :D ........ :|
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: 58 Yeoman on March 24, 2006, 06:12:50 AM
Quote from: "purplepickup"
Quote from: "Carps"The 'Aussie Hoon' is closely related to the 'Yanke Squirrel' I think they both share the 'Yobbo' gene.   :wink:
Oh.......it's perfectly clear now :D ........ :|

Yep, but here, we say they are 'squirrely'...so maybe hoonie would've been better. :lol:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: GPster on March 24, 2006, 07:25:41 AM
HOON? is that the next new model from Toyota being developed in the Australian "Wayout Back"? GPster
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: rumrumm on March 24, 2006, 07:45:52 AM
I heard Nissan was developing a vehicle called the "Hoon-tang," hoping it will appeal to the younger crowd. LOL!
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: tomslik on March 24, 2006, 08:55:11 AM
Quote from: "rumrumm"I heard Nissan was developing a vehicle called the "Hoon-tang," hoping it will appeal to the younger crowd. LOL!


i thought it was mazda's new catch phrase.

"hoon-hoon"... :roll:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: EMSjunkie on March 24, 2006, 09:04:52 AM
Quote from: "rumrumm"I heard Nissan was developing a vehicle called the "Hoon-tang," hoping it will appeal to the younger crowd. LOL!

I wonder if the interior will be soft and supple?

Vance
Title: Re: hoon?
Post by: tomslik on March 24, 2006, 08:07:27 PM
Quote from: "donnie g":P well you ain't nut'in but a hoon dawg! thats an old elvis tune ain't it? :lol:  :lol:


nope, it was "blue suede hoon"...
kinda like a fuzzy smurf that smells good
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Carps on March 25, 2006, 02:49:17 AM
Quote from: "GPster"HOON? is that the next new model from Toyota being developed in the Australian "Wayout Back"? GPster

Nope, I think you've got it confused with the tangent MkII
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Carps on March 25, 2006, 02:51:28 AM
Quote from: "rumrumm"I heard Nissan was developing a vehicle called the "Hoon-tang," hoping it will appeal to the younger crowd. LOL!

Nope again, that model is by GMDaewoo, out of Korea..   :wink:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Carps on March 25, 2006, 02:51:40 AM
Quote from: "rumrumm"I heard Nissan was developing a vehicle called the "Hoon-tang," hoping it will appeal to the younger crowd. LOL!

Nope again, that model is by GMDaewoo, out of Korea..   :wink:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: bucketmouth on March 26, 2006, 09:02:18 AM
The 'Aussie Hoon' is closely related to the 'Yanke Squirrel' I think they both share the 'Yobbo' gene.

A hoon is more like a bodgie but a squirrel that's more like a gerbil isn't it.
We're just a keyboard away but the intereprataion is miles away.

I hope Bridget is a girl,photo please :wink:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: 58 Yeoman on March 26, 2006, 10:18:37 AM
Squirrels are nothing more than a furry rat with a bushy tail.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: doco maker on March 26, 2006, 08:14:56 PM
Hi all,

Just to clarify a few things:

1) I am most DEFINITELY a girl!    :)
2) Thanks, Unklian, for the link, I will chase it up!
3) I take it from the hoon confusion a lot of you have probably NOT been called a hoon before, and fair enough!

It does tend to be a derogatory term but some people do wear it proudly, and in fact there was some little controversy in Australia a while back on whether H-plates for "hoons" (like "L" plates for learners) was a good idea. I think a "hoon" license plate sounds kinda cute though.  :)  "H" plates might have led to some bad feeling on the roads.

Anyone that tinkers with their car is sometimes considered a hoon, and I was wondering if car lovers are being unfairly targeted by hoon laws. Excuse my ignorance, then, but is this a largely American site? I can imagine their might be some similar laws here even if the wording's a bit different.

Thanks for your comments!
B
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Fat Cat on March 26, 2006, 08:52:04 PM
Quote from: "doco maker"Excuse my ignorance, then, but is this a largely American site? I can imagine their might be some similar laws here even if the wording's a bit different.

Thanks for your comments!
B

Actually yes this is a largely US based audience. Something in the range of 80%. Aussies only comprise about 5% of the viewers of this site.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Carps on March 27, 2006, 03:53:09 AM
Quote from: "Fat Cat"
Quote from: "doco maker"Excuse my ignorance, then, but is this a largely American site? I can imagine their might be some similar laws here even if the wording's a bit different.

Thanks for your comments!
B

Actually yes this is a largely US based audience.
Are you insinuating that mpst Americann Rodders are 'large'?     :shock:

QuoteAussies only comprise about 5% of the viewers of this site.
Whilst the Aussies are just hoons?   :D

Got me wondering when the 'Bogans' will arrive.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: enjenjo on March 27, 2006, 08:27:12 AM
QuoteGot me wondering when the 'Bogans' will arrive

Too late, they're here.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: tomslik on March 27, 2006, 02:10:30 PM
Quote from: "Carps"
Quote from: "Fat Cat"
Quote from: "doco maker"Excuse my ignorance, then, but is this a largely American site? I can imagine their might be some similar laws here even if the wording's a bit different.

Thanks for your comments!
B

Actually yes this is a largely US based audience.
Are you insinuating that mpst Americann Rodders are 'large'?     :shock:

QuoteAussies only comprise about 5% of the viewers of this site.
Whilst the Aussies are just hoons?   :D

Got me wondering when the 'Bogans' will arrive.



difine "large"....

Bogan's heros?
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: TJ's Dad on March 27, 2006, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: "Fat Cat"
Quote from: "doco maker"Excuse my ignorance, then, but is this a largely American site? I can imagine their might be some similar laws here even if the wording's a bit different.

Thanks for your comments!
B

Actually yes this is a largely US based audience. Something in the range of 80%. Aussies only comprise about 5% of the viewers of this site.

That leaves 15% from elsewhere ..... 0.5% from Tasmania = 1% cos they have 2 heads (rx4ord being a prime example  :lol: )

Now where'd the other 14% get to ??

.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: ripper on March 27, 2006, 06:24:09 PM
doco maker - the website links unleian has on his signature are metalshapers etc...that's a part of his signature, not a referral to an Aussie site. I'd suggest you try  ozrodders.com

For those unsure, I'm from Western Australia and yes we have "Hoon Laws" or the sustained loss of traction legislation or whatever it was called. Basically if you're street racer & get caught you lose your car for 24 or 48 hours...I think if you're a repeat offender you can lose it period & it goes to auction but dunno for sure.

My view...Street Racing is NOT Drag Racing. Yep we've all done a bit of reckless & dangerous driving on the public road probably, but if thegovernment want to stamp it out, they get no resistance from me. We have one ape brain in a lowered nissan 2 door who's carved out street twice. I suggest if he does it a thrid time he might want to pray the cops catch him. He doesn't live in our street, but there's plenty of kids under 10 who do.
You can get busted for burnouts & chirping the tyres I'm told...well if you're laying rubber, take the hit if you get busted.

I drive a modified car but I am a believer in "If you're not cruising, you're losing"
If some hoon wants to unleash the ponys under the hoon on the public road in some sort of seelf satisfying display of rebel without a clue...well won't worry me if he gets busted. Seen a few big cruises get unfair atention from authorities thanks to one or two idiots who who got a little too excited. In one case the cruise had to fold up.

Hoons prolly represent 1% of 1% of the driving population, so really the hoon laws don't affect very many people at all. If you wanna go drifitng, go to the track. Wanna go racing, go to the track, wanna lose you car go crazy on the street.
Bit like the hoo-haa about multi nova speed cameras...it's a managed revenue stream, otherwise the fines would be 1000 bucks for slightly speeing...everyone would stop asap. It's a tax, but it's a purely voluntary tax. Don't speed you don't need to worry.
I would hope any doco maker wanting to film the topic will also talk to cops & ambulance drivers, especially those who've attended road fatalities, maybe also some families who've lost someone thanks to a hoon drifting in the street.

Myabe I'm just getting older & turning into a fuddy duddy old fart, but when you seen a bit of blood & gore and you have the old * caning up your street & you have small kids, perspective becomes very clear. :-)

I love high performance cars, like big & noisey...hoon laws might sort out the low performance drivers.

Post meant to be read as a positive post :-)
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: tomslik on March 27, 2006, 07:33:09 PM
i totally agree with ya ripper BUT! how is it different than ol' big * in his 4 wheel drive dodge  1 ton pu on the cell phone and trying to find an address and  eat all at the same time?
there's more of those.....
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: ripper on March 27, 2006, 10:09:38 PM
yep I agree tomslik, here tho, they don't have to have a big 4WD...cell phones are legal here, using them while driving is not. But wow do you see a lot of it here!

Whats the difference between a young yap laying rubber & a nit on their phone, trying to drive, trying to eat etc...not much at all seeing both have a pretty good chance of having an accident. Rather both have an elevate chance of hitting & hurting other people...the hoons tho are far more visible to the public due to the noise etc, but yeah they may not even be in the higher numbers. I'd guess the dial-a-* drivers driving & phoning at the same time would be in much bigger numbers.

In either case it seems dangerous and dunno how it can be defended. Thing is too, there are degrees of danger, chirping the tyres at the lights aren't a real problem or a danger...but drifting is. Where do you draw the line?
At chirping I guess :-)
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Fat Cat on March 27, 2006, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: "TJ's Dad"Now where'd the other 14% get to ??

The other 15% are made up by the following countries,

Canada, European Union, Sweden ,Great Britain, Netherlands, France, Finland, China, Germany, South Africa, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, Switzerland, Mexico, India, Ukraine, Denmark, Philippines, Romania, Brazil, Trinidad and Tobago, Belgium, Thailand, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Puerto Rico, Japan, Hungary, Chile, Portugal, Malta, Austria, Turkey, Spain, Slovenia, Sri Lanka, Israel, Taiwan, Kuwait, Italy, Poland, Colombia, Guam (USA), Indonesia, Peru, Czech Republic, Croatia, Vietnam, Estonia, Russian Federation, Malaysia, Bahamas, Egypt, Lithuania, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, Ecuador, Palestinian Territories, Greece, Malawi, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Nigeria, Latvia, Qatar, Uruguay, Barbados, and Ireland
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: EMSjunkie on March 27, 2006, 11:26:46 PM
As an EMS provider, I can attest to the fact that there are more accidents involving "seasoned" drivers than there are involving "inexperienced" ones.

I have personally worked accidents where more than one person was injured due to " cranial rectumitis".  :x

Ladies putting on makeup while they drive, the yuppie puppies drinking a latte while speed dialing his stock broker, etc.

people don't realize how far a vehicle, even at slower speeds, can travel in just a few seconds.  :shock:

as we age, our reaction times slow down, and when you add distractions such as cell phones, PDA's etc. the problem just compounds itself.
we live in a fast-paced world, and some folks can't handle "multi-tasking" while they drive.

but, on the bright side..............its job security  :!:  :!:


call them what you will.....hoons, ruffians,hoodlums, whatever, it sounds like another unenforceable law.
Here in Amarillo, we have a noise ordinance, specifically aimed at Harley-Davidson riders with straight pipes.  :twisted:
after certain hours, if you get caught "barking" the pipes, you get a ticket.............whatever :roll: :roll:  ............the local law enforcement has enough to do without writing tickets for being too noisy  


sorry, got on a soap box there for a minute.

bottom line...............you can't fix stupidity.


Vance
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Carps on March 28, 2006, 04:00:33 AM
Quote from: "Fat Cat"
Quote from: "TJ's Dad"Now where'd the other 14% get to ??

The other 15% are made up by the following countries,

Canada, European Union, Sweden ,Great Britain, Netherlands, France, Finland, China, Germany, South Africa, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Norway, South Korea, Switzerland, Mexico, India, Ukraine, Denmark, Philippines, Romania, Brazil, Trinidad and Tobago, Belgium, Thailand, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Puerto Rico, Japan, Hungary, Chile, Portugal, Malta, Austria, Turkey, Spain, Slovenia, Sri Lanka, Israel, Taiwan, Kuwait, Italy, Poland, Colombia, Guam (USA), Indonesia, Peru, Czech Republic, Croatia, Vietnam, Estonia, Russian Federation, Malaysia, Bahamas, Egypt, Lithuania, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, Ecuador, Palestinian Territories, Greece, Malawi, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Nigeria, Latvia, Qatar, Uruguay, Barbados, and Ireland

Notice there's nobody from Sierra Leone, coz they are not home, all hiding out somewhere in Sydney.   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Mr Cool on March 29, 2006, 06:55:44 AM
Quote from: "phat46"hmmm, never been called a hoon, but it'd make a great liscence plate!!! :roll:
Actually, there was a huge fuss over here a couple of years back, the premier of Victoria at the time had a son who just happened to have that very number plate, and wore it proudly. :shock:  Some upper class morons tried to have the plate withdrawn but didnt succeed. :D
As for being called a hoon, thats hapened plenty of times, problem is some of the public will label anyone in a modified car a hoon whether you are doing something wrong or not.
If you are being foolish behind the wheel you probably deserve to be hit hard by the law. I noticed that there has been alot of rubber painted on the road near my place recently, much of it is circle work too. I just hope I dont get the blame for it all :evil: .
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Mr Cool on March 29, 2006, 06:58:48 AM
Quote from: "unklian"Maybe someone can post a link to the Aussie forum ?
Sure can, this would be the largest board for Aussie hotrodders without a doubt.
http://www.ozrodders.com/board
But you wont find too many "hoons" there, however you'll still get a lot of material to work with though.
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: Rayvyn on March 29, 2006, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: "Fat Cat"
Actually yes this is a largely US based audience. Something in the range of 80%. Aussies only comprise about 5% of the viewers of this site.

Is that because only 5% of them can read or write?  Actually "Hoon" is short for "Hooligan", except none of the Aussies could spell the entire word, so it was shortened to make it easy for them....

Oh Oh. I hear a mob coming...Better run... :0-0
Title: Hoon laws- have your say!
Post by: bucketmouth on March 30, 2006, 08:11:10 PM
Bridget check your PMs
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