The Rodding Roundtable
Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: BFS57 on August 26, 2012, 09:35:55 AM
Hello;
Well, with the way the economy here is, the wife and myself have been tossing this subject around.
Any of you RRT members got some thought you want to share about the Economy there, Jobs, Housing, Schools, or anything worth knowing about!!!
Bruce
This is what I have heard.....
You need a large bank account..
You need a sponsor...
You need a job before hand...
My understanding, is they don't want people just showing up unannounced.
So Harry is probably correct.
http://www.emigratenz.co.uk/emigrate-new-zealand/are-you-eligible/
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/
Quote from: "unklian"http://www.emigratenz.co.uk/emigrate-new-zealand/are-you-eligible/
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/
This is exactly what the U.S. needs.....
Quote from: "phat46"Quote from: "unklian"http://www.emigratenz.co.uk/emigrate-new-zealand/are-you-eligible/
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/
This is exactly what the U.S. needs.....
If the US had this many of our parents would not have made it in :roll:
Later jim
Australia was first settled by criminals that England shipped there.
Those NZ immigration rules are not that old.
Quote from: "river1"Quote from: "phat46"Quote from: "unklian"http://www.emigratenz.co.uk/emigrate-new-zealand/are-you-eligible/
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/
This is exactly what the U.S. needs.....
If the US had this many of our parents would not have made it in :roll:
Later jim
my parents were born in the USA ... Would need to go back to the 1800's to boot out my ancestors.
Of course back in those days the immigrants did not enter the US with their hands out for hand outs from the gubmint.
:roll:
It looks like NZ has their act together regarding people coming in to stay ....BUT ...Is it enforced ???? We too have set rules to enter our country legally ......... :idea:
Both Tony & Jim can tell you what happens when OUR Law Enforcement people try to do their job .... :(
Something needs to change .....SOON ..... :roll:
Bob ..... :wink:
Quote from: "BFS57"Hello;
Well, with the way the economy here is, the wife and myself have been tossing this subject around.
Any of you RRT members got some thought you want to share about the Economy there, Jobs, Housing, Schools, or anything worth knowing about!!!
Bruce
Why New Zealand? I do know a lot of people have been going to NZ and staying 4 years and then bcoming a New Zealander and then moving to Australia becouse it easy to get in to NZ than here. Go in to them web sites and have a look
Hello;
We don't have any plans to migrate to Australia. We thought that NZ looked pretty nice, we are both about ready for retirement, and my wife is Philippino and NZ is close to Philippines so if the need comes she can go there as her extended family is getting older. My family is just about gone! and our daughter is just now starting College (JC) to study to become a nurse.
Thought that property was cost effective there. We were also thinking of Philippines as it is still a pretty good value for the $$ .
Bruce
Quote from: "BFS57"Hello;
We don't have any plans to migrate to Australia. We thought that NZ looked pretty nice, we are both about ready for retirement, and my wife is Philippino and NZ is close to Philippines so if the need comes she can go there as her extended family is getting older. My family is just about gone! and our daughter is just now starting College (JC) to study to become a nurse.
Thought that property was cost effective there. We were also thinking of Philippines as it is still a pretty good value for the $$ .
Bruce
Sounds like you have it thought out.
Good luck , have some fun
8)
As you are near retiring age, I agree NZ would be a very good destination.
The main disadvantage of NZ, there being very little manufacturing or industry, and hence quite limited career possibilities for most younger people wishing to immigrate.
For self funded retirees in good health none of that applies.
It is merely a problem of convincing the NZ immigration authorities that you are among the best and most worthy of all the other applicants.
How good your chances are, probably depends on how many others apply as much as anything else.
Even though Australia may not be your first choice, it would be a good idea to apply for there as well. Once you are established with permanent citizenship in either country, there are no restrictions of subsequently moving between the two.
Getting into either country may be a long slow difficult process, but applying for both multiplies your chances.
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"It looks like NZ has their act together regarding people coming in to stay ....BUT ...Is it enforced ???? We too have set rules to enter our country legally ......... :idea: :
Don't know about NZ, but in oZ it sure is ruthlessly enforced.
Anyone overstaying a three month visitors visa will be arrested and deported. You will remain in prison until you can get someone to pay your fare back to your own country. I am not kidding.
The first day you start in any new job in Australia, you fill out a form which goes to the Australian Tax Office. If you don't have a verifiable tax file number and identity, you are toast.
Without verifiable identity documents you cannot open a bank account, obtain a driving license, get a credit card, rent property, get any Government benefits such as unemployment or free health care, or do much of anything. You are a non person without an identity.
So an illegal immigrant cannot work, cannot find a place to live, cannot drive a vehicle, cannot get health care, and without a bank account cannot receive pay or own a credit card without being caught very quickly.
Once behind bars, with no provable identity, you will be deported.
It is all very effective indeed.
And you don't even need to get caught doing a significant criminal act, it's the "system" that will get you.
See what happened to these guys.
And they were not even illegal immigrants !!!
All they did was find themselves a job while they were here perfectly legally on holiday.
http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2010/ce10010.htm
Quote from: "Warpspeed"
Without verifiable identity documents you cannot open a bank account, obtain a driving license, get a credit card, rent property, get any Government benefits such as unemployment or free health care, or do much of anything. You are a non person without an identity.
So an illegal immigrant cannot work, cannot find a place to live, cannot drive a vehicle, cannot get health care, and without a bank account cannot receive pay or own a credit card without being caught very quickly.
Once behind bars, with no provable identity, you will be deported.
It is all very effective indeed.
And you don't even need to get caught doing a significant criminal act, it's the "system" that will get you.
Interesting process. Not the same here for the most part.
During 2011 at my work place a phone call arrived to the Controller (one of the owners). A very upset father of a 16 yr old girl. The girl was looking for work and her father had checked up on her Social Security number.
Oddest dang thing, Her SS number was in use at my employer for near 9 years by a fellow that had told me he was in the USA illegally. :shock: That fellow was terminated.
Even President Obummer seems to have a slight little problem with his Social Security number not being valid..............
THe best to do is get in contact some one from nz that can tell you what you have to do to move there. Hot Rodding has come a long way in NZ in the last 20 years I wish you all the best
Another way would be to contact the New Zealand embassy in Washington.
http://www.nzembassy.com/united-states-of-america/about-the-embassy/contact-us
They will send you a big stack of forms to fill in, to begin the whole immigration process.
You can always change your mind later on and decide not to go. But nothing is going to happen until you actually start the process.
I would also very strongly recommend contacting the Australian embassy as well. It may not be your first choice, but once in Australia with Australian citizenship, moving to NZ would then present no problem at all.
There are no travel restrictions at all between Australia and New Zealand, you just get on a commuter flight and go there for as long as you wish to stay.
You may eventually decide to take out NZ citizenship, or keep your Australian citizenship, it really does not matter.
Quote from: "Harry"Australia was first settled by criminals that England shipped there.
Not entirely true, my ancestors paid $250 to come out with the first fleet as Squatters.
Quote from: "Harry"Australia was first settled by criminals that England shipped there.
Not entirely true, my ancestors paid 250quid to come out with the first fleet as Squatters.
Mrs Carps ancestors were the ones in chains. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: "Carps"
Not entirely true, my ancestors paid $250 to come out with the first fleet as Squatters.
That was a vast sum of money in those days.
Pretty intrepid too.
Must have seemed like going on the first manned mission to Mars.
Hello;
From the info I'm getting here it looks like a lot of investigation is in order to find the "pitfalls" of this move.
I know we can go to Philippines without much hastle, my wife has duel citizenship, so she can buy property legally there, trouble is that prices are seeming to be as high as they are here! There are lots of opportunities and if you wave cash at anyone, they will grab-n-go!
Bruce
Quote from: "BFS57"Hello;
From the info I'm getting here it looks like a lot of investigation is in order to find the "pitfalls" of this move.
Many Americans simply could not live without having loaded guns constantly within reach. they simply would not feel safe.
That is the single biggest reason Americans say they do not wish to move to a different country, they simply would not feel safe there.
Much better to live among crime and corruption, pedophiles, muggers, murderers, totally corrupt government officials and crazies , and be armed, than move to a peaceful and safe country and to just trust people.
The other big problem is a lowering of living standard.
Income is much lower in most other countries, and prices for goods and services significantly higher. Americans still like to have lots of money and very low prices for things.
Anything less would just not be acceptable.
Americans love freedom, the freedom to use drugs, freedom to be homosexual, freedom to follow satanism, and not be discriminated against.
People have rights, and Americans usually don't want to live in countries where they may be forced to conform to strict social and moral norms that they see as hugely limiting, discriminatory, and oppressive.
Yes, moving overseas to a totally different society and culture means you will need to be prepared to fit into that culture and perhaps give up a few things.
Quote from: "Warpspeed"Quote from: "BFS57"Hello;
From the info I'm getting here it looks like a lot of investigation is in order to find the "pitfalls" of this move.
Many Americans simply could not live without having loaded guns constantly within reach. they simply would not feel safe.
That is the single biggest reason Americans say they do not wish to move to a different country, they simply would not feel safe there.
Much better to live among crime and corruption, pedophiles, muggers, murderers, totally corrupt government officials and crazies , and be armed, than move to a peaceful and safe country and to just trust people.
The other big problem is a lowering of living standard.
Income is much lower in most other countries, and prices for goods and services significantly higher. Americans still like to have lots of money and very low prices for things.
Anything less would just not be acceptable.
Americans love freedom, the freedom to use drugs, freedom to be homosexual, freedom to follow satanism, and not be discriminated against.
People have rights, and Americans usually don't want to live in countries where they may be forced to conform to strict social and moral norms that they see as hugely limiting, discriminatory, and oppressive.
Yes, moving overseas to a totally different society and culture means you will need to be prepared to fit into that culture and perhaps give up a few things.
Why not tell us how you REALLY feel? You certainly don't sound at all prejudice about Americans!
QuoteMuch better to live among crime and corruption, pedophiles, muggers, murderers, totally corrupt government officials and crazies
yeah, i'm sure you have NONE of those there... :roll:
You talk like the freedom to arm yourself, to have a good standard of living and enjoy freedoms not found other places is a bad thing!!!! :D I find the misconceptions of life in the U.S. baffling and sometimes humorous, I have many Canadian friends and even some of those that haven't spent a significant amount of time here have a skewed view of us. those that have spent the time here know it's a safe and sane place to be. You sometimes have to look past the headlines to really know what's really happening. I can't imagine living anyplace else although i'm sure there are places every bit as nice as the U.S. There are places within the U.S. where living is much easier than other areas...check out Alabama for instance.
Yes the American headlines can be pretty alarming, and are becoming more so as time goes on.
I have had numerous internet discussions on different Forums with Americans about crime and violence, and it is fascinating.
Always the same exact comments repeated.
It usually goes something like this....
You Australians let them take away your guns.
No, we all agreed after much public discussion fewer guns would make the community much safer, it is a completely dead political issue here and still a strongly held view held by the vast majority.
Since you gave up your guns violent crime in Australia has increased.
Yes it has, but it has increased much faster in America than here.
In Australia you are a sitting duck for heavily armed criminals.
True, but statistically you are eight times more likely to be shot dead in America than here (per 100,000 population).
You shot Crocodile Dundee dead because he owned an illegal gun.
The cops returned fire when he fired on them first in a siege situation, don't American police return fire when shot at ?
Well I don't want to live in a country where I cannot own powerful hand guns and assault rifles, crossbows and openly carry around hunting knives. I will stay right here in America the FREE COUNTRY.
It's a fundamental cultural difference. Not right or wrong, just different.
But many Americans have told me they don't want to come to Australia only because of the very tough gun restrictions.
This is all something I hear repeatedly, and it's certainly something to think about.
This seems to be a very big issue for Americans, and certainly a worthy and important topic of discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of immigration to either NZ or to Australia.
You opened the can of worms with this. Enjoy the way you live and don't preach to us how we should live. It's not needed here.
Not a problem for me on the gun thing in Australia or other countries. Although my 357 Dan Wesson is about 12 feet from me.
I do not have a passport and never will to travel to foreign countries. I have no interest to
Hey, warpspeed, who 'agreed' fewer guns would make a much safer community? Not me Buddy! And who said it was "a completely dead political issue here and still a strongly held view held by the vast majority." Again not me buddy!!
And Australia is the easiest country in the world to migrate to. Simply duck into your local Travel Agent and get yourself a ticket to Indonesia. Once there, go down to the local fishing village and hand over between $5,000 and $10,000 and one of the kind Fishermen will take you on his boat to an area where the Australian Navy will pick you up and take you to Christmas Island. Once there refuse all offers to take you to Narue and within no time at all you will be in Australia on a full Guvmint handout every fortnight, free medical, housing and every other * thing. After 6 months, get your family back home to send all your cash over to your Australian Bank account and then apply to have them come join you. Easy peasy me mates. :shock: Oh, while you are in Indonesia, loose all you documentation, cause you wont need it once you get here, they will give you all new stuff as part of your resettlement. :roll:
Living in America is not much different to living in Australia or New Zealand, just not exactly the same.
The Geography is similar, as it the weather, depending on which part of which country you live.
All the same bad things exist in each country only difference is the scale.
But y'know what is different, generally speaking, the people of America, that's the USofA are much more friendly than folks in the South Pacific.
Travelling around the globe has taught me something that looking over the fence or out the window never could, that is, that the grass aint always greener on the other side of the street. The other thing I've learned is that life is what you make of it and I have many US pals who've made the most of it, just as I have many pals here in my own country with the same attitude.
Just thought I'd share that with ya'all.
Yep i agree grazza,we never agreed to hand our guns in they took them by force and laws ,now only the thugs have the guns and they can do whatever they like to an unarmed population,,check out the crime stats and all gun related ,You yanks keep your bloody guns cause without them evil will overcome .Now as far as NZ goes well most of them are over here so you will be a bit lonely there if you settle there ,that is of course you really like sheep ,thats how we got kiwies ,they bred sheep with poms ,sorry paul ,its an aussie joke
I thought all Aussie's carried rifles and carried long knives. I'm disillusioned. Honest people follow the laws. Dishonest people use the laws
to their advantage.
As Dorthy said " there is no place like home". Americans do have their own sense of humor. We give each other crap all the time.
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Gee Mike ....
How can we give each other Carps ...He's down in Oz.....oops........ :oops:
Gotta stop speed reading ........ :roll:
Them Aussie feller's seem like a nice enough bunch.. 'Cept fer always puttin' the tiller on the wrong side of the car .....'Course I spose that makes it easier to drive on the wrong side of the road :?: :?: ... :idea: :lol:
Bob..... :wink:
Come to Canada. :D We share virtually everything with you here. We would welcome you :D . Have two homes with hotrods in the garages and just travel back and forth. Forget over there and stay here with your brothers and friends (us canadians included) Or better yet, don't worry so much about what's going on with the economy, enjoy today and your hotrod. :wink:
The grass always looks greener but it rarely ever is. :roll:
I was thinking the same thing. Come on up. You may or may not know it but Canada is not covered in ice. There are a lot of places in Canada that are warmer in the winter than most of USA. Yes, you can own a hand gun here. No, you can not carry it on the street like the cowboys down there. We do have hot rods. With the strong Canuck dollar, sometimes they can be cheaper up here than down there.
There are no abandoned cities here, such as Detroit and other ugly places there. If you win the lottery, there are no taxes.
I would avoid cities like Toronto and Vancouver. Just way too big for me. Don't even think about Keebek, too many frogs there.
Anyway, come up for a visit. I have a spare room.
I always heard that if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence it could just be the septic tank.
I spent a few years traveling the globe. Some of it voluntarily, some of it not so much. I love Australia but wasn't there very long. I also had a great time for a couple of years in Europe. I met a lot of good people everywhere I went and made life long friends.
Don't believe everything you read or hear in the news about the USA. Just remember that the deviates, miscreants, liberals and assorted freedom/liberty haters are very much in bed with the news media over here so their rantings are all that you hear. The vast majority of Americans are wholesome, moral, family oriented individuals who respect other's rights and just want to live the dream.
We also respect our constitution. That's why my wife and I both carry. As a matter of fact we were shopping for some new hardware yesterday. Target shooting is a great pastime but being prepared for the bad guys is just plain good common sense.
Tom
They took our guns off us. Under various amnestys and buy backs
You need a permit and go through hoops to get one and this is for rifles.
Hand guns, more red tape.
The idea was to keep us safe. Yet crims get unfetted access to them .
As for immigration.
We must have more New Zealanders here than are actually in New Zealand :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .
My wife is descended from penal colony stock. circa 1830,s .
If you want to enter Australia today. Simply get on a boat in Indonesia having dumped all your Id and head our way. Our Naval taxi service will pick you up and you claim asylum . You then access health care / housing/welfare. And if we knock you back you can access legal aid and tie the system up for years :roll: :roll: :roll: .
No need to formally apply to enter the country. Takes too long :lol: :lol: :lol:
Frank.
A further footnote.
On the radio this morning there was some discussion on how NZ is dealing with the unemployed and transition to work.
Airline tickets to Australia :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: .
This must have popped up somewhere in the print media.