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Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: mopar2dr on September 27, 2010, 07:36:17 AM
Went to a traditional hot rod event Sunday. I was dinged for my "newer" chrome wheels, which aren't very new, and sent to the display area. That was OK with me as that parked me about where I wanted to be anyway. The car must appear to have only equipment available before 1965. There were some cars on display that were well engineered and looked to be great old school hot rods. My problem was with the ones that I wouldn't even drive out in the pasture. Some of the front suspensions looked like they would fold up under the car the first time you hit a major pot hole. It was a nice laid back event with great live entertainment, I would go again. Of course I would have to stick on those old skinny 15" wheels with spring clips showing, as I sold the hubcaps.
Quote from: "mopar2dr"Went to a traditional hot rod event Sunday. I was dinged for my "newer" chrome wheels, which aren't very new, and sent to the display area. That was OK with me as that parked me about where I wanted to be anyway. The car must appear to have only equipment available before 1965. There were some cars on display that were well engineered and looked to be great old school hot rods. My problem was with the ones that I wouldn't even drive out in the pasture. Some of the front suspensions looked like they would fold up under the car the first time you hit a major pot hole. It was a nice laid back event with great live entertainment, I would go again. Of course I would have to stick on those old skinny 15" wheels with spring clips showing, as I sold the hubcaps.
Was that the one at Hickory Corners?
Sounds like Hickory Corners, we went there and they would not let my 34 in because the 5 spoke wheels looked to new.
My friend had a bone stock looking Chevy 64 SS and he had California flipper caps on it and they said they were repops and no go. Strange folks? We had fun anyway.
Some years ago I had a 34 chev coupe, primered, skinny wheels/tires, just starting out with the car. :D I went to this so called "family affair" event and I was the one asked to go to the back of the line! :cry: Guess it's all part of the evolution of the hobby. :wink:
It sounds like they wouldn't have let my car in. So I'm glad I didn't waste my time or money going down there then.
They sound like a historical re-enactment event.
Or a Star Wars convention.
It was the one at Hickory Corners. The three inspectors who decided if you were allowed in, looked like they were in diapers when Bill Clinton took office, yep, that young. I also felt out of place by not wearing enough black clothing. I was a kid in the 50's and a teenager in 60's and don't remember anyone, except the Hoods dressed kinda like that. Most car guys or as my conservative neighbors called me "that * hotrodder", were usually wearing blue jeans and a t-shirt. The color of the shirt didn't matter much as it some how always got oil or grease stains on it anyway. I suppose time has caught up to me and now I'm just an old stick in the mud hotrodder. It's about time to take the Mustang GT out and harass the rat rodders, if I can find one out there.
I went to the show and sold in the swap meet. Did a little business and had a pretty good time.
I'm still trying to keep a pretty open mind to the new fad of "traditional" hot rods. There were a few there that I would put in that category, but a lot that I wouldn't bother with.
I have a philosphical problem with people young enough to be my grandkids - who weren't a gleam in their daddy's eye in the 80's, much less the 50's, telling me what is traditional. What they are really trying to do is capture a snapshot of some elusive period when hot rods were hot rods. What they have done and are doing is just ticking off the group they are trying to emulate. That said, I'm really trying to hear them and see what they have to offer. Never say never and always isn't.
Traditional meets goth and halloween.....
Charlie
I also try to keep an open mind. There was a car show connected with the Stern Wheel boat races here a couple of weeks ago. There were three so called Rat Rods sitting together in one place. They were all owned by the same person and were all for sale. Their price all reflected Barrett Jackson value and they all had old bodies mostly truck cabs. They all were channeled (lack of service-able floor)and had old style wheels and tires on them. They also all sat on S10 frames. Now I won't "Bad Mouth" S10 frames because there is one under the Jeepster. This owner apparently didn't care as much for tradition as he did trying to supply a market for people that think they must be popular because they're on the cover of Hot Rod magazine at the news stand. Back when I started "Nail Head" Buick engines were new, not traditional.If someone wants to tell me what to build with they can give it to me. GPster
I was also "relegated" to the sperial interest section. Reason given My dark steel wheels with thin rings and caps had slots similar to a rally wheel so that made my 36 too new......They still made me feel welcome.
I agree with Charlie. They are trying to create their imagined view of what is was like "IN the Day". Not totally successfully.
Oh well it is their party
Had a good time and caught up with several friends. Weather could have been better but the museum was fun going thru.
Tim
Thanks for the info guys. Looks like I won't bother considering it next year. For whatever reason there weren't guys/gals around me growing up that were inked up either. Nor all dressed in black with the big black shoes. Jeans, T shirts and possibly engineer boots
heh, heh, I've always had problems with runs/shows that were too structured.
Several years ago i went to a nearby downtown street show that I had attended a few times and enjoyed just driving in and finding a spot and parking.
One year things were changed a bit and the officials moved it to different location and were putting a lot of effort into getting everyone parked where they wanted them to be parked. After I drove in with my 61 Chrysler and was parked where they wanted me. I sat for a few minutes and decided I didn't like where I was parked and just started up and left,
That was 10yrs or so ago and I've never been back.
Course the same thing happened to me several years ago at Louisville when the gate guard wouldn't let me in on my own mobility scooter. I just turned around and went home and have never been back to Louisville.
My loss I guess but that's just me. I don't fit in anywhere.
I've dropped the HAMB from my daily reading list mostly because I'm tired of being told how to build my hot rod.
I'm only 53 so I don't remember much of the 50's but I do remember the 60's and so much of what is today considered traditional isn't part of what I remember.
The people defining traditional are sacrificing creativity and innovation to some imagined picture of a better day and time. And those that don't conform aren't made to feel welcome.
And if the membership count on the HAMB is any indication a lot of people are following their lead.
Funny thing is I enjoy those shows like Billetproof more than the spit and polish shows. I just have to be careful what I drive to them.
Old sub, it seems like the retro,rat rod or whatever the term ,phase ,is coming full circle. What started out as a way of being different ,forget the paint ,see what Ive built, type of "fun with what you have "is growing into another 'faction' of the car world. People trying to outdo oneanother instead of just enjoying the hobby .I think all of us on this board truly appreciate good craftsmanship and appreciate the ability levels of the other RRT members. Some build ,others buy ,but all of us appreciate what each member can do with what they have.I marvel at the knowledge and abilities some members posess and enjoy giving a helpful bit of advice when I am able.I think that trends in any car hobby quickly turn into marketing opportunities for publishers looking to sell more advertizing.Creating the 'must haves' through media hype, that the gotta out-do-ya crowd seem to lap up.Some of us just sit back and enjoy what we have,do what we can,and enjoy the company(even if only through this board)of others who think and do the same.
You hit the nail on the head bud 8)
Quote from: "chimp koose"Old sub, it seems like the retro,rat rod or whatever the term ,phase ,is coming full circle. What started out as a way of being different ,forget the paint ,see what Ive built, type of "fun with what you have "is growing into another 'faction' of the car world. People trying to outdo oneanother instead of just enjoying the hobby .I think all of us on this board truly appreciate good craftsmanship and appreciate the ability levels of the other RRT members. Some build ,others buy ,but all of us appreciate what each member can do with what they have.I marvel at the knowledge and abilities some members posess and enjoy giving a helpful bit of advice when I am able.I think that trends in any car hobby quickly turn into marketing opportunities for publishers looking to sell more advertizing.Creating the 'must haves' through media hype, that the gotta out-do-ya crowd seem to lap up.Some of us just sit back and enjoy what we have,do what we can,and enjoy the company(even if only through this board)of others who think and do the same.
The thought process these kids have annoys me to no end. I swear, they are like a bunch of antiquers. "Oh, that's not period correct". I've been a rodder long before many of these kids were even born. Hotrodding is about improving the performance and looks of a car. I gotta laugh when these guys invest a bunch of money in a flathead that wouldn't outrun a Toyota. Disc brakes and modern tire technology are strictly avoided. Build what you want, don't tell me what I should build.
Quote from: "zzford"Build what you want, don't tell me what I should build.
Exactly!
Quote from: "zzford"
Disc brakes and modern tire technology are strictly avoided.
Darwin was wrong.
:roll: :wink:
I always thought Technology evolved, because some
of the old stuff wasn't up to the task, way back then.
People found, and made, a better way.
Quote from: "moose"I was also "relegated" to the special interest section.
The Fashion Police deemed you Unworthy.
:wink:
The traditionalists are getting just as bad as the restorers in the AACA,I am glad I dont have cars that could be shown in either one of those type shows.
Growing up on a farm, and having limited cash to spend on my ride, I wasn't above using what was available to keep my car going. But, to use barnyard cast-offs by choice, no. Can't remember anyone using those old cast iron seats in their ride. A temporary crate might be used to test your new road sign floorboard, before it got tarred into place. Then the seat went back in, girls were pretty fussy about where they sat. Let's admit it, girls were the main reason we fixed up our rides. Souped up engines were for other use that may have bordered on illegal activities. Guilty.
I typically only go to the AD Truckers Social Group on the HAMB. Too much drama elsewhere.
S10 frames? Got 4.
Running what I got. Yep.
Upgrading parts as I go along. Certainly.
Learning what I can from the guys here. Absolutely.
Dressed in black pinned jeans with a DA, tats, leather, and no clue. Nope.
I've got a Vortec and a Hemi, too.
Quote from: "unklian"They sound like a historical re-enactment event.
Or a Star Wars convention.
Pretty funny.....It's their event so they can do what they want, but it sounds like some folks need to relax and enjoy themselves.
Quote from: "Danimal"and no clue. Nope.
\Some may question that part....... :wink:
Quote from: "moose"Quote from: "Danimal"and no clue. Nope.
\Some may question that part....... :wink:
Don't bring my wife into this!!
I've been into "traditional" rods for long before they became trendy. And by traditional I don't mean tractor grills, spiderwebs, barbed wire, bird-poop welds, etc. I mean stuff that was built in the pre-billet days, say late 70's and older. I really prefer the look of early 60's and older. I plan to "update" my Essex to look like an early 60's ride.
I can be quite narrow-minded about my likes, too. Is rodding about upgrading technology and safety? Of course it is! However, it seems like it's also about the latest whizzy thing that the manufacturers and magazines push on people. Smoothed out billet-laden rides do nothing for me. I can appreciate the work that went into them, but I tend to walk past them with nary a glance at a show. There's a reason for my screen name. :wink:
Same thing when I see ANY pre-1980 vehicle with large-diameter wheels. Sorry folks...an early car/truck with 18's or 20's (and bigger) and O-ring tires looks ridiculous.
Just my not-so-humble opinion, and I'm sure I'll catch alot of flack for it. :P
Quote from: "Boyd Who"
Same thing when I see ANY pre-1980 vehicle with large-diameter wheels. Sorry folks...an early car/truck with 18's or 20's (and bigger) and O-ring tires looks ridiculous. :P
I couldn't agree more
Quote from: "phat rat"Quote from: "Boyd Who"
Same thing when I see ANY pre-1980 vehicle with large-diameter wheels. Sorry folks...an early car/truck with 18's or 20's (and bigger) and O-ring tires looks ridiculous. :P
I couldn't agree more
Thank you!! Good to know I have someone in my corner. :D
Quote from: "Boyd Who"I'm sure I'll catch alot of flack for it. :P
Not from me.
Its my car or truck and I'll build it the way I want within the limits of my time, money and skill. When I want suggestions I ask for them. What I don't need is dogma on the one true way to build a hot rod.
When I go to a car show I look at the cars and trucks that interest me. I walk right past the others.
About 17 inch diameter wheels with a proper tire side wall is all I can take on old cars ... and that combo does not fit or loook good on some cars ,
The bird poop welds I see guys putting on cars for the "old back yard look"... I hate to point out that there were (are) some dang good welders decades ago with the ol stick welding buzz boxes
Boyd who, I am with you on liking the early 70's style rods. That is when I first got interested in rods. Back then I could only build them in my dreams but to have one you pretty much had to build it yourself.That interest fostered my career choice as a machinist.The rod magazines of the day featured a lot more "how to ,with junkyard parts" articles which made them more interesting to read than the "1-800 billet build"ones we now have.As far as build styles ,to each his own,but I still prefer the home built over the wallet jobs.
Quote from: "junkyardjeff"The traditionalists are getting just as bad as the restorers in the AACA,I am glad I dont have cars that could be shown in either one of those type shows.
I loved the early days of the HAMB and still enjoy a bunch of the people I've met through the HAMB but us "Old Timers" have noticed the shift from innovation... to traditional restorations... then a lot of slowed down responding to "What do you think this is worth threads"... and haters of anything modern!
My Roadster had a 455 Olds engine... not a J2 Olds or 394... I had a 700R4 tranny not a manual 3 or 4 speed... my Quickchange was a early seventies Winters with early seventies circle track JFZ's all around not the expensive Halibrand early V8.
And to top it off... I ran radials for 24,000 trouble free miles!
I built the car with what I had available and achieved getting it on the road for less than the price of a used Japanese motorcycle!
The the "Hunnert" is this weekend and the weather is beautiful... but this will be the first one i'll miss since the 2nd show and there will be a bunch of threads on the HAMB regarding what made it in and what didn't and I could give a ratz *... because i'm enjoying the day wrenching on some junk in the garage!