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Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: WZ JUNK on August 14, 2010, 07:00:22 PM
I posted this on the land racing board but I thought I would also post again here as several of the rrt members have helped with the race car over the last few years. I will try to update Hooley's progress as I get news.
Hooley had shifter problems on his first pass. This caused the clutch to go bad when the motor over reved. The motor seems to be fine. This has happened twice before and the motor was fine. But the first two times the throw out bearing, not the clutch broke. Hooley was a able to continue making passes, but he was unable to disengage the clutch. A push start, pull it into gear, and then shift without clutching. Today it was the clutch not the throw out bearing that broke. Something new this year.
I got on the computer and I found a speed shop in Salt Lake that had the clutch stuff and they are staying open until they get there. I made some calls and found a machine shop that will surface the flywheel this evening. They should be back at Wendover later this evening. A night's rest, then put the car together in the morning. I think they will be back in line by noon.
I found the machine shop by making calls from my NSRA Fellow Pages. I found an NSRA member at a car show somewhere around Salt Lake. He walked around the car show asking people where there was a machine shop that would do what we needed today. Somebody told him about the shop I called. I am just amazed at what can be done 1500 miles away with a computer and a cell phone.
John
Quote from: "WZ JUNK"I am just amazed at what can be done 1500 miles away with a computer and a cell phone.
John
... plus desire and initiative.
Thanks for the update.
Wow, the power of hotrodders! Gotta love a happy ending. I hope Hooley and the team does well this year.
Do you know if the 1149 B/STR team from Calgary is down there this year? Now that I don't live there I'm out of touch with them.
kool... good to hear a plan came together , even if the plan was developed as stuff happened
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Do you know if the 1149 B/STR team from Calgary is down there this year? Now that I don't live there I'm out of touch with them.[/quote]
The car was not preregistered and I do not remember seeing it in any of the photos I have seen. Don is going to be on the salt this year and is supposed to stop by Hooley's pit. I guess this means Don is feeling better.
John
I just talked to Sum on the phone. They got the parts and the machine work done but it was late in the night before they got back to Wendover. They are getting a late start this morning but they are not planning to run again until tomorrow (Monday) morning.
Norris broke his record with the white Studebaker truck and backed it up this morning. As soon as they get through tech they will put in a taller gear and go again.
John
2 things;
good to hear Sum is around. I've heard nuttin from him lately
I read some update on landspeed racing forums on the Studie truck... heck of a hood bump on the truck
8)
Quote from: "Crosley"2 things;
good to hear Sum is around. I've heard nuttin from him lately
I read some update on landspeed racing forums on the Studie truck... heck of a hood bump on the truck
8)
I have heard that the current motor, which is the small motor I believe, made 1200 hp on the dyno. I know that he has a monster motor built for the truck but I do not think it is the one he is currently running. He has a least 2 motors for the truck with him. I think he went 211MPH this morning on his back up run.
Sum says they have Hooley's Studebaker back together and that they will get in line behind the record cars to make another pass first thing in the morning.
John
Quote from: "WZ JUNK"The car was not preregistered and I do not remember seeing it in any of the photos I have seen. Don is going to be on the salt this year and is supposed to stop by Hooley's pit. I guess this means Don is feeling better.
John
Thanks, John. I was wondering how things were going for them.
I'll be watching for news of a record from your camp now! :D
Gee John you didn't make the trip either this year. It's hard sitting back at home knowing that it's happening now isn't it.
Next year hopefully for me now.
Latest update.
Hooley made another run early this morning. The front air dam broke and he started scooping up salt. He shut it down in the four mile and had a top speed of 228 MPH. A good shake down run. They are fixing the air dam now and evaluating the motor as the data recorder showed some funny numbers. I am hoping it was just a malfunction in the data recording system. Go Hooley.
I needed to clear up some information on Norris Anderson. He is running his big AA motor. Yesterday he backed up his record from Saturday and then ran again later and went 216 MPH or about that. This morning he did his back up run at 221 MPH for and membership in the 200 MPH club. I am not sure of the numbers but they are close. I think his new record is about 218 MPH. To be a member of 200 MPH you must break a record over 200 mph. In Norris's class there was not a record originally and so the 200 MPH Club had set a minimum mph to qualify for the club. Norris had set a record in the past over 200 but today he exceeded the minimum for the 200 MPH Club. Very fast for a stock bodied Studebaker truck. Congratulations Norris.
John
Quote from: "WZ JUNK"[quote
Do you know if the 1149 B/STR team from Calgary is down there this year? Now that I don't live there I'm out of touch with them.
The car was not preregistered and I do not remember seeing it in any of the photos I have seen. Don is going to be on the salt this year and is supposed to stop by Hooley's pit. I guess this means Don is feeling better.
John[/quote]
Dad called me a little while ago from Gary Weldon's pit, he's having a great time, he and mom got to Wendover Sunday.
1149 is currently sitting in Standard short an engine. Things just didn't come together.
Mike
Quote from: "Cword"Quote from: "WZ JUNK"[quote
Do you know if the 1149 B/STR team from Calgary is down there this year? Now that I don't live there I'm out of touch with them.
The car was not preregistered and I do not remember seeing it in any of the photos I have seen. Don is going to be on the salt this year and is supposed to stop by Hooley's pit. I guess this means Don is feeling better.
John
Dad called me a little while ago from Gary Weldon's pit, he's having a great time, he and mom got to Wendover Sunday.
1149 is currently sitting in Standard short an engine. Things just didn't come together. bummer, but i know he will have a great time. still wearing the blue north of 49 shirt from 06" had a great time pitted next to them that year.... and man can he have a good time at night at the casino parkin lot hehe..........come on hooley lets have another record, 255 sounds bout right to me, crew member for life...
Mike[/quote]
Quote from: "Cword"Dad called me a little while ago from Gary Weldon's pit, he's having a great time, he and mom got to Wendover Sunday.
1149 is currently sitting in Standard short an engine. Things just didn't come together.
Mike
Thanks for the update, Mike. Maybe things will be better next year! There's a chance that Karen and I might drive down for Speed Week next year. She actually suggested it the other night! We'd take her car as the Essex will be in pieces by then. I'm crossing my fingers!
They found some unrepairable suspension damage today. This may relate to why the car set lower, and the front air dam got into the salt like a grader blade.
The good news is that Hooley will be home for the HAMB Drags.
John
*, that really sucks!! Better luck next year I guess.
John, What was broken, we had to come home today and left at 5:00 this morning and did not hear about this before we left.
Odie and I were standing in Hooley's pits yesterday morning when Norris came by. He was the first rig to run and with all the silence around and then came the sound from his truck. Truly impressive unit. 219.331 is his new record, up from the 208 he set the day before.
Doug
It's never the problem you expect is it?
Slightly off topic, article on the Stringfellow/Kirk car.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50114112-76/car-speed-kirk-salt.html.csp
Quote from: "sirstude"John, What was broken, we had to come home today and left at 5:00 this morning and did not hear about this before we left.
Odie and I were standing in Hooley's pits yesterday morning when Norris came by. He was the first rig to run and with all the silence around and then came the sound from his truck. Truly impressive unit. 219.331 is his new record, up from the 208 he set the day before.
Doug
Doug,
I did not have time to get specific details from Hooley over the phone. He called when I was loading my school bus with precious you adults leaving from their first day of school this school year. I am sure we will get all the information when he gets home. Sounds like a major rebuild may be coming soon.
I am glad you were able to be there and help Hooley. Running a car at Speedweek is a big job and requires lots of help. Most people have no idea what goes on in the background.
John
yea like buying stale bread and cheap bologna, hehe...love ya wz...........for the crew each day ....
Thanks John,
For everyone out there. I have been involved with various forms of racing since the late 60's, both as a not too good racer and also as a mechanic. Started in snowmobiling and motorcycle racing. Worked on several dirt cars, and then a sprint car, (8 times state champion). I have never had as much fun as I did this weekend with Hooley. The pace and enjoyment of Bonneville is just indescribable. And to be allowed to be a part of this, including the wrenching and working was just great.
Doug
Quote from: "WZ JUNK"They found some unrepairable suspension damage today.
Better to find it, before things get real expensive FAST.
Quote from: "WZ JUNK"They found some unrepairable suspension damage today.
Salt corrosion from the inside out? That stuff can do damage. GPster
George Poteet's car the Blowfish just made a backup run on Hooley's record of 283 MPH. The new record should be around 277 MPH. I do not think George was driving as he just ran the Speed Demon again and bumped his record up from yesterday. He is running over 400MPH with at 299 cubic inch motor. Very Fast.
John
I see the new record is 278.180 It's gonna be tough to break that one again soon.
I also had an opportunity to hang around Hooley's pit the past few days. What an experience. I had visited Hooleys home shop awhile back with a friend who was acquainted with him, and also was with me at Bville, along with one other friend. I knew he was a good guy, but had no idea he would be so open to allow a guy like me to lay hands on his race car. He made me, and everyone else as far as I could tell, feel like it was perfectly normal to be involved. What a super guy, representing the sport and his home state of Oklahoma in a first class manner. When I expressed my disappointment with his trouble that ended with a 228 mph run, he said " don't feel sorry for me, I just drove a car over 200 mph". Made me "just glad to be there". Thanks Hooley. Joe
Quote from: "Okiedokie"When I expressed my disappointment with his trouble that ended with a 228 mph run, he said " don't feel sorry for me, I just drove a car over 200 mph". Made me "just glad to be there". Thanks Hooley. Joe
that is very cool, and a great perspective.
Congrats to all involved, achievement plus.
Cheers,
Drewfus
Quote from: "_Drewfus_"Quote from: "Okiedokie"When I expressed my disappointment with his trouble that ended with a 228 mph run, he said " don't feel sorry for me, I just drove a car over 200 mph". Made me "just glad to be there". Thanks Hooley. Joe
that is very cool, and a great perspective.
Congrats to all involved, achievement plus.
Cheers,
Drewfus
and an accurate one as well!! hooley is GOOD people
later jim
[quote=" don't feel sorry for me, I just drove a car over 200 mph". Made me "just glad to be there". Thanks Hooley. Joe[/quote]
Oh well what a thing to be able to say 8) but I'm just happy to be there too when I can.
I'm looking forward to catching up with my buddies in the coming days as they return from Speedweek and the US just to see the excitement in their eyes after their first visit.
Well, I've followed the week closely and must say I'm disappointed to see Hooley's record get bumped almost 30 miles an hour. I'd have to guess that we are definitely not gonna be knocking on that record any more.
I hope George got as much fun out of his pursuit as we did. I'm interested in learning the details on what he ran in the car to get it done. I often wonder what it's like to throw cubic bucks at a record that way, although it's just a matter of degree isn't it? It's just some guys cube is bigger than the others.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to learning what went wrong with the front suspension on #974 and whether we'll go salt flat racing again.
Just glad to have been there too!
Charlie
I'm just glad to have been part of it. As others have said Hooley is good people. This was a great way to spend my vacation. Some may love lying on the beach. I prefer to lay under the #974. Spending 12 days with Hooley, 10 days with Sumner and Ruth, and many days with the rest of the crew was super.
It was a pleasure to meet each and everyone that helped with the car. All of the guys that helped in the pit were great. The car would not have been able to overcome the clutch problem without their help. The crew also had all of the repairs made from the salt scraping incident when the front suspension problem was discovered. John left out the part that the rear intake manifold gasket leaked. Any oil leak at 200+ is too big. The injector, blower and intake manifold were removed for the gasket replacement. Everyone was working, some making repairs to the nose and belly pan, some under the car removing salt and some over the engine for the gasket repair. Mark stepped up to fill the big shoes that John usually fills as Crew Chief.
The new Blowfish record is tough. We suspect the car is capable of higher speeds. Next year I expect to see another driver in the Blowfish running faster. (This gets another driver into the 200 MPH Club) Hopefully Stringfellow /Kirk have their car back in shape with a B motor next year and Denton Hollifield gets the motor gremlins out of his Fiat. These 3 cars in the same class will make tremendous competition. All three are capable of near 300 mph runs. In it's current state I don't believe the 974 is capable of that speed. The wheelbase would need to be stretched with a more aero nose, and the motor would need to be updated with turbos, intercooler, and electronic injection. Hooley loves the old Studebakers. Changing the nose means it wouldn't look like a Stude anymore. As for the motor, cubic inches isn't the answer here. The answer is cubic dollars. Racing costs money. How fast do you want to go? Maybe 250 mph was fast enough.
Quote from: "Beck"Hooley loves the old Studebakers. Changing the nose means it wouldn't look like a Stude anymore.
Depends on how, and how much, much you change it.
Quote from: "Charlie Chops 1940"I often wonder what it's like to throw cubic bucks at a record that way, although it's just a matter of degree isn't it? It's just some guys cube is bigger than the others.
Ultimately, whilst I appreciate the dissapointment, we are all there with the lust of speed, and share the emotional ride the salt experience brings, irregardless of the size our 'cubes'. The goal of 'red caps' is that much more 'out of reach' than ever, but shouldn't stain the experience or undermine the achievements thus far.
All that aside, again, congrats to the team, and all involved, inspiration for everyone who wasn't able to be there.
Cheers,
Drewfus
Unfortunately, I did not get any pictures taken with the whole crew there, but this one was taken late Monday night.
Doug
Quote from: "_Drewfus_"
Ultimately, whilst I appreciate the dissapointment, we are all there with the lust of speed, and share the emotional ride the salt experience brings, irregardless of the size our 'cubes'. The goal of 'red caps' is that much more 'out of reach' than ever, but shouldn't stain the experience or undermine the achievements thus far.
All that aside, again, congrats to the team, and all involved, inspiration for everyone who wasn't able to be there.
Cheers,
Drewfus
I don't think any of this years crew members or Hooley are disappointed. We had a great time. Like Hooley said, "I got to drive over 200 mph. I'm Just Glad To Be Here!" It is amazing what Hooley with a little help from a bunch of old hot rodders accomplished. Now, what's next for the 974? I don't believe even Hooley has the answer for that yet. That "red cap" will never be out of Hooley's reach, he owns several. If I were him I'd be as proud as a peacock and never take one off.
Quote from: "unklian"Quote from: "Beck"Hooley loves the old Studebakers. Changing the nose means it wouldn't look like a Stude anymore.
Depends on how, and how much, much you change it.
To get it aero enough to compete with the competition I mentioned I think the following mods would be required.
The headlights would need to come off completely.
The entire nose would need to be drastically tapered.
The front wheels would need to come forward at least 3 ft. probably more.
Sheeting over the front fender openings may also help. I don't know how much air separation there is at the front of the car.
That doesn't let much Stude look to the front. Anyone have a wind tunnel? To run with the cars I mentioned earlier it will take one to compete.
The first indicaton I had when I approached the 974 after the salt plowing run was the salt stuck on the headlights. The salt flowed over the rest of the front enough that it didn't stick, not so with the headlights. They were plastered full. That means aero drag and my basis that the headlights would need to be removed.
Becomes an exercise in compromising.
Do you compromise appearance, or performance ?
Each person will draw the line somewhere different.
Can the Blowfish record be beaten ? Yes.
But what will it take ?
I know Hooley and John are reading our comments, and choosing not to comment. I expect that means I better shut my trap.
Guys, if I haven't overstayed my welcome, I would enjoy going along on your next adventure, where ever that may be.
Just for more thanks, there were at least 9 more guys and Ruth that were in the pits helping that weekend, that are not in the picture. I will see if I can remember names, but that is something I don't do well.
Another funny story from the weekend. We were down making our daily/nightly run for ice at the grocery store. We had filled up and had some left. I was checking with another rig there to see if they needed the remainder and they did not. However there was another guy there and he said he needed just a little bit. We gave him what we had and it was perfect. He wanted to pay and I said no, just pass it on. About that time, he noticed my 974 shirt and wanted to know if we were involved. Long story short, that was Jimmy and he was around all weekend too. I know it is a small racing world, but it gets brought home at times like this.
Tom, or anyone else that was there, if you can put names on the ones I am forgetting, please do. 3 in the motor home, 2 in the Camaro, and the 2 that set up the canopy in front of the trailer. Also, one more guy that was at dinner with us on Monday night.
Doug
Quote from: "sirstude"I will see if I can remember names, but that is something I don't do well.
Tom, or anyone else that was there, if you can put names on the ones I am forgetting, please do. 3 in the motor home, 2 in the Camaro, and the 2 that set up the canopy in front of the trailer. Also, one more guy that was at dinner with us on Monday night.
Doug
I too am bad with names.
The 2 in the Camaro were Jerry and Wesley. Wesley was a huge help. He is a big guy, not fat - big. When there was a heavy or hard job, he did it without complaint.
I expect the other guy at supper you are talking about is Allen. He crewed for Hooley the first year I believe. He still helps when necessary, but is primarily a crew member for Norris Anderson who always pits next to Hooley. Allen normally shares a room with Hooley. They go way back. He's a super guy.
Thanks Tom, I was not thinking about Allen, he went to bed, I think his name was Gregory or some such. And yes, Wesley was a great help!
Three in the motor home were Joe [myself] Dudley, and Tim.
Thanks Joe,
I figured that someone would chime in sooner or later. Somehow I missed the RRT connection there though.
Doug
Found one more picture that shows more of the crew.
Guys, I am still trying to get caught up on every thing here at home. Just now read this post .
Tom you are doing an excelent job here. Keep it up.
Each and every one that has ever been involved with the 974 Stude holds a special place with me. We have a lot of supporters that couldn't make it to Bonneville. I couldn't have began to do what we have accomplished with out you. There has been trying times and victories times. I even danced on the salt when we broke the record. The time we shaired together has been special all with a common goal. On and on and on. Thank you for sharing this Bonneville Dream with me. Like Dradracer50 once said " that's the hardest I ever worked for a free T-shirt."
For all of you who missed Sum's canyon hikes you missed some of the most breath taking views. Sum, thank you and Ruth for hosting the pre-Bonneville gatherings.
the 2 other guys from Georga were Tim and Brewster. The 3 to the north were Mike Guest, son Carson from Neosho,Mo and Mikes friend from Colo.
Tom and I talked on the way home about setting the car up for the Maxton Mile[Maxton,NC]. When I got home Wanda [wife] is ready for a road trip. We are planning on going to Maxton the last week-end of Sept to watch the race. I'll take a good look to see if it is something we want to try. It might be a lot closer and less $'s to do Maxton
Don't forget the "Bad Apple Boys" moto "You have to be tough if your gonna be STUPID"
Hooley
Maxton, something to get excited about! Things have been going down hill for me to the point that even re-newing subscriptions feels like an unnecessary expense. Maybe you could get a pit crew started here. GPster
In previous posts I comment about the work everyone did on the car this year. Some guys dive in and tackle the hardest jobs. I didn't comment about Odie. He seamed to always get into the hard and dirty spots, and never complained. I'm sure his wife wasn't happy with his laundry when he got home. There was probably a shirt or two thrown out. From the rest of the crew, Thanks Odie!
QuoteTom and I talked on the way home about setting the car up for the Maxton Mile[Maxton,NC]. When I got home Wanda [wife] is ready for a road trip. We are planning on going to Maxton the last week-end of Sept to watch the race. I'll take a good look to see if it is something we want to try. It might be a lot closer and less $'s to do Maxton
Hooley...
Have you thought about the Texas Mile?
I think it is the last of October.
If you want any info on it I can send it to you...
Jimmy is gonna try to have his steam car ready
for a shakedown run then also..
Benny
Hi Benny, I talked Wanda into a vacation to the Carolina's the end of Sept. Oh yea they are running at Maxton that week-end. I'm gonna look and see if we want to set the Stude up for running a mile. I will also be looking at the Texas Mile also. I have checked the web sites out. I'll have a lot of questions for someone who will stand still for very long. A bunch of questions. I have a rule book coming from ECTA. Do you know if there is a rule book for the Texas Mile?
Is Jimmy going to run in Oct at the Texas mile?
We got to visit at the Salt for a while.
Hooley
QuoteThanks Tom, I was not thinking about Allen, he went to bed, I think his name was Gregory or some such. And yes, Wesley was a great help! Quote
Doug that might have been jimmy with us.
Hooley...
Jimmy says he has a deal set up for Sunday (It's a 3 Day event), after everyone that is scheduled to run gets finished. I think Jummy has a rule book for the Texas mile...If so I'll let you know. BTW the 324 number on the Texas Mile sign is the top speed that has run there... So there are some high speeds obtained there... Traction is a whole lot better there than on the Salt.
Benny
Running on concrete seems like it would be closer to drag racing than salt racing. With only a mile to accelerate and half a mile to stop, weight (or lack of weight) would seem more important. Big brakes would also come in handy.
Yes, different animal.
Flipper, That is what we are thinking too. A gear change for acelleration and to top end in a mile. I all ready took all the removable weight out. I need to scale it to see where it is at now. More weight removel will take the tourch.
I should know about tires , weight, and stopping when I get back from Maxton in Sept.
If any of you have any ideas about changing to the mile just let me know.
Hooley
PS Flipper great pic's on the HAMB.
Hooley, I live about an hour and a half from the Maxton Mile. I've been to a couple of events there and right now plan to be at the one in September (as a spectator). If I can help point you guys to some of the local sights to see while you're out here just hollar. -Tom
Tom, I sent you a PM.
Quote from: "Hooley"Tom, I sent you a PM.
I checked my PM's just now...the PM didn't come through. Don't know what happened...try again. - Tom
Tom, I tried a PM again. Hooley
Quote from: "Hooley"Tom, I tried a PM again. Hooley
Hooley, PM still not coming through. I sent you a PM just now to see if you can receive on your end. My email addy is in the PM to you. May be easier to use email. -Tom
I got your PM have sent E-mail