The Rodding Roundtable
Motorhead Message Central => Rodder's Roundtable => Topic started by: idrivejunk on July 25, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
What do you guys think of my new project? I think its a '30. Customer wants rumble seat. Thats about all I know... "needs work" :lol:
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I see rust. Must be your kind of job. :) I'm wondering what got moved or removed to install a coyote?
Backtracking... pics I took in case I got involved... :arrow: Coulda swore I had a before pic. With green wheels. Be from last year, hmm
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Quote from: "kb426"I see rust. Must be your kind of job. :) I'm wondering what got moved or removed to install a coyote?
Rust, mmm-hmm. I was pleased to see that the original rot was left in place, I like that. :)
Component placement is surely not all worked out. Perhaps mentally. Big Mike put one in a 41 pickup a few years ago. I know he put the alternator backwards for packaging purposes. It will be slow agony but you'll eventually see how right here. I am doing sheetmetal work and will have a ton of questions for our man with the shoehorn. :wink:
I may have some pics from the 41 build.
At least they make patch panels for that.
Probably same as the ones for the 33, looks similar. If so, I'll do a similar rocker treatment to simplify it. I suggested a metal insert for the roof but don't get me wrong I do like a little chicken wire on a rod.
Dammit Matt...you get all the fun jobs...
You definitely work in an interesting place.
Regular bodyman jobs never did a thing for me. This stuff holds my interest and presents new challenges regularly. In return for the fun opportunities and not so you'd know by seeing my posts... I do my best, and take it seriously. And the jobs keep coming :)
Matt
I know you have the skills and tools. Do your own patch panels, they are fairly simple. The manufactured ones are crap.
I bought panels for mine because I didn't have the skills, but after reworking and modifying them and in some cases throwing them out and making my own, developed the skills. Would have been a lot less work to make them.
But, you probably knew that.
Looking forward to this build. Always enjoy your postings. Have learned a lot from following them over the years.
Canuck
Boy o Boy .... :? I,m agonna be watchin' this one :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
When do we do the fenders :?: Huh--Huh :?: :?: :?: :?:
Is that one of those new fangled engines with the valves above'n the pistons :?: :?:
Everybody knows that ain't agonna work.... :roll: :roll:
Bob... :wink:
ill be watching how you do the door gaps . I still need to do mine on the t .
This might be of interest to you Matt He is a member of the RRT also
http://www.highway99hotrods.com/Blisters/orderb.htm
Canuck, I thank you kindly and I remember having the exact same thoughts when working on a '33.
Bob, fetch something to write on. School supplies are in stores now. :)
CK, the door gaps are going to be um... interesting, yeah!
Frank, thanks... I have baby ideas kicking around inside my noggin but my first wonder was "what is the traditional solution?" and I figured its those.
Rest assured, gang, that as usual my solutions will sprout from complete ignorance of "right" and "wrong" but look like they grew there in the end. There has been no briefing thus far but I intend to prepare a barrage of inquiries that will leave no doubt in Gary's mind whether he has the right guy on it or not. I've learned things, maybe to the point of being able to pick up my speed. Do any of you remember the green '31 Model A that went to SEMA? And the red 33 job? I believe I will always feel honored any time I am tasked with a 1930s vehicle. Its one thing when its your own, but the trust another man places in me by putting his ride under my knife puts due diligence at the front. Its likely that with this car, like the 33, there will be a private moment after I have a plan and am poised to lay cutoff tool to it... when I'll lay a hand on it instead, and in my mind ask it's permission. I'll imagine its years in a blur, promise to be respectful and give renewed life. Then, chop until done. All the while, the folks who built it and kept it will be in my mind. When its gone, I'll still think of it. Always do. :D
I sure am glad to have a project of so much interest to you fellows. Tips, questions, and comments are welcomed. Its gonna be a long row to hoe.
Heres a tune from the jukebox to take the edge off that sentimental note and put me in a Model A rodding mood.
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Thats ol rockin Ern. Theres always an oldie stuck in my head at any given time. This week its that! 8)
OK---OK... :roll: I will try to curtail my enthusiasm.... :(
When will we begin correcting the discrepancies in the bolt on outer appendages :?:
I foresee this being a very educational experience for we less talented onlookers ..... :oops:
Remember ....I do have a collection of willing , (sorta), participants for this exercise ...... :?
Robert.... :)
By all means shirt tail your enthusigasm there, sport! :lol:
I asked indoor sunglasses flat brim ball cap stretched earlobes tattoo drifter with a Cressida guy about fenders and he said they are still on the chassis and are perfect, like new. I don't even know what I have here yet or what to do or if theres plans.
My first raw rain-on-engine idea is to make the required hood side bulges part of some headlight pods that don't look like they cover engine. Or... keep the hood sides intact but widen the engine compartment. Personally I think I might just use flat hood sides with closely-formed lumps and design the thing with only using them if it rains in mind.
So... somebody tell me if A doors fit in their opening or over it please. Gotta start somewhere :roll:
Next question- When fitted with fire breathing knuckle dragging monster V8s, where does your noggin end up in relation to the B pillar?
If we lose the post and make it a hardtop, whats your reaction?
Any tubbed ones you've seen have a single width rumble seat?
Who can take detail shots of a gennie thats "right" or point me at reference images for original kinda panel fit?
As you can see the stock doors fit over. If you mod to make the doors fit in that would be a major trick item.
The 3 window body has been done in fiberglass and a few are around but the door is extended to make it work
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Thanks. You've seen this one, eh? I had a little something to do with how it looks. 8) It was once a five window. All I officially did was filler work on it. I think they call it a 31 Model A but the grille is Model B. Grandpa would give me a swat on the head for not knowing these things but to be fair he wasn't very hip to muscle cars either.
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I know the arrangement is different but heres how I handled a 33 rocker using available panels:
http://chevroldsmobuiac.blogspot.com/2018/07/33-job.html?m=1
Guys, can any of you school me on what prefabricated roof hole solutions are available?
I heard of a fiberglass insert shaped like cloth, and that cloth ones can be hard to make look good. Hoping someone has been down this road and can offer words of wisdom or spit out a brand name. My googling might miss something due to search terms.
With your skills you could make one better than the kits i'm sure . I hope it is going back to a cloth cover however it is done . I prefer the original look to that of the filled ones . MANY years ago there was a company making plexiglass inserts for the moon roof thing . I think it was late 70s
Matt, what finished look are you shooting for?
I wanted something that looked like a stock Mdl A but without worrying about ballonning or blowing off.
Car still had the beaded/stepped edges around the opening and nailed to the replacement wood surround. Took the roof skin off a late 60 Chevy 4 dr HT, full size and found nearly a perfect fit after turning around to the roof bows and metal surround, just a slight push down in the front corners, about 3/16". Trimmed to fit just inside the bead that goes around the opening then spot welded every couple of inches.
Next painted with epoxy primer then covered with 1/8" closed cell foam (Landeau foam) glued down with vinyl top adhesive. The foam went just over the bead.
Next got some repro decking material from Mdl A vendors and glued that to the foam all around. Tacked the vinyl thru every second hole in the original metal roof and trimmed close to the tacks.
The hard part was reshaping the repro aluminum trim they sell for As, flattened out then formed into a U to fit in the groove around the top opening. Installed with nails, a bedding of RV sealer and RV sealer over the nails before bending the trim down.
https://chevelle406.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/img_1662.jpg for the finished look
Much obliged, you two. Good replies! :D I tip my hat northward.
There has been no briefing on the job yet, the stall it was in became needed. I took it as my cue since I had planned to be done with the Pontiac at this point. But I looked at the A long enough to send thoughts racing through my head.
No idea about the overall look desired. If history is a clue, we'll need to be done with rust repair to talk about the rest. Pretty much give me a solid body adapted to my chassis then lets talk modifications. So stock look is a safe assumption and the boss will surely follow a logical order in coaching the roof choice starting with the simplest. Don't know if this is a repeat customer but I believe the same person has a Karmann Ghia out back thats next, for a hairy V8 build after this.
My thoughts require that you bear in mind my crash tech background and age.
A roof plus inner structure off a W body like my 99 Grand Prix could be used, smoked power sunroof and all. Turn down the edges where it fits into the hole for the appearance of a metal insert with a tight gap, no molding, around it. Weld on corner tabs to attach with studs and bed the skin in windshield urethane and nut it down, trim studs. Or something like that.
I do like Canuck's method. Thank you sir. It sure looks neat and beats other options for simplicity.
Actually I have been wondering about alternate materials for an insert. I like the idea of a flowing and tightly fitted insert because if its nice, the gap would not stand out.
But user Waynep just sent me a video link about carbon fiber. Hmm.
Yeah, yeah but what about stainless, or aluminum? See, I better just stick to rust but I have my new meat buzz on and you know how it is.
Thanks for that picture also. I get it now, the doors overlap at the back but not the front. Man, I could so fix that. Bear claws please.
I get the feeling though, that I'd rather make door hinges than baby these. If our hero is a married man, he may want checks and detents on the doors.
As I've said before... I can only do what I get asked to. :arrow: (but I can drop all the seeds I want) :wink:
So far, so... uh-oh :shock:
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Modification list includes top chop, flush doors, hidden hinges, bear claws, etc! :D
Gee, I've done stuff like that once upon a time, in my younger days.
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Years ago (45) I had pieces of a '30/'31 Model A coupe. It was a body parts donor for a group of restorers.. The restorer I got it from wanted the firewall. His had been cut for some after market manifold heater. All the wood was gone and the back window, trunk lid and the trunk surrounds from the quarters. I used the back window section from a Model A sedan and brazed it in. The sedan's window section is wider than the coupe's and the bolt-together flanges were rusted off so I just trimmed it to the width I needed for the coupe and stuck it together. I used the roof from a '57 Chevy. I had the whole roof panel and I just placed it on top of the coupe's body and slid it around til it touched all of the coupe' roof opening's edges. I marked the coupe's roof opening on the underside of the '57 roof panel. I cut the '57 panel to the outside of the marks and brazed it to the coupe's roof overlapped. I padded the whole roof and covered the padding with vinal (sp?) from rain gutter to rain gutter, visor to back. The back edge of the padded covering was done like the roofs of '28/'29 sedan roofs from end of rain gutter to end of rain gutter across from side to side about half way in the bend from roof to back window. The body had no wood in it, It was channeled the width of the frame rails and I built strong floor braces. It was solid enough that I drove it daily for five years. I sold it after back surgery ( it wasn't the cause ) and the guy tat ended up with it drove it for years and then it just kind of vanished. '57 Chevy roofs have gotten scarce in the last 45 years but I suggest something welded in rather than trusting wood joint to hold everything solid. GPster
George, I'm hitting it at 52 rather than 25 so its probably gonna seem like work part of the time.
GPster, theres a $600 ribbed steel roof available. Thats what we're getting. :D
And it will have a trunk, not rumble seat. Hood top without hinge, smooth hood sides with fabbed lumps, smooth cowl top, quarters are a grand apiece so I'll make stuff. Door skins are available. Flush, shaved suicide doors with hidden hinges (detents!). Delete seam at roof sides. I think thats it for now. During stripping this afternoon it got a tad more encouraging but not much. Could be a lot worse, I reckon.
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Of course it started pouring rain at quitting time. I swiped over the bare stuff with Picklex 20 so it will live. Right quarter is bare in pics, first two pics have Picklex on.
I'm gettin' better at this. I didn't have to grab a trash can! :)
(pirate voice) Don't go green at the gills yet, laddie! T'will be a long year at sea.
Be strong, my friend. :)
Typical A coupe. Wood body mounting blocks started to rot, body started flexing at back of cab and cracked. Repaired by local garage with coat hanger and a set of torches. Body looks pretty decent compared to most up here. In very good condition compared to what I started with.
I know you are up to the challenge.
Quote from: "Canuck"Typical A coupe. Wood body mounting blocks started to rot, body started flexing at back of cab and cracked. Repaired by local garage with coat hanger and a set of torches. Body looks pretty decent compared to most up here. In very good condition compared to what I started with.
I know you are up to the challenge.
Thanks for the word of confidence. I was thinking the same thing, the world has been fairly kind to this specimen. All the pitting up high on the body concerns me though. I believe I will end up suggesting blasting of some areas. Boss was leery of blasting initially but then was pleased when the metal was exposed. "Hey, that don't look very bad!" Relatively speaking, of course.
You guys can pause for refreshments and stroll out to the lobby for a few, I'll dim the lights when the show is about to start back up. 8) Smoke em if you got em.
Ahhhhh....Matt .....About those cinder block "Jack Stands" ...... :shock: :!: :?: :-}
Bob... :wink:
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Ahhhhh....Matt .....About those cinder block "Jack Stands" ...... :shock: :!: :?: :-}
Bob... :wink:
Yes, about that. $90 will get you four 6 ton stands from Harbor Freight.
Quote from: "enjenjo"Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Ahhhhh....Matt .....About those cinder block "Jack Stands" ...... :shock: :!: :?: :-}
Bob... :wink:
Yes, about that. $90 will get you four 6 ton stands from Harbor Freight.
Or less with a coupon on "sale" day ....... :shock: :roll: :roll:
Bob.. :wink:
I ain't bringing mine from home, they would disappear. Theres not two here that match as far as I know. These match. Not something I'd put under a dually for sure but they beat frame on floor for now. Extremely unsafe, eh? :oops: At least theres one jack stand in some pics, I did look around first and these were right outside. You'll appreciate that straight out of the gate I requested another larger set of wood wheels. No go. Boss plans to get "some of the metal ones" which raised my eyebrow. But this is now and here. Remember I did re-tire my GP after your paint job dealy. :wink:
Focusing today on that coat hanger fix, to assure that the area is usable. About to start straightening it.
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Wow! You guys really get some strange metal work challenges in there.
Yessir, its a non-stop bop. 8)
I put a pair of jack stands under it first thing after chow. :)
I just continued triage stripping this afternoon-
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What are you using to strip it?
Quote from: "kb426"What are you using to strip it?
Oh, I used a heat gun and light slapping spoon sharpened on the front edge, upside down, to warm and scrape the thick mud off. Then I went at large areas with 40 grit on an 8" DA. Then 40 grit on a 6" DA. Then 80 on same. Then put a red scotch brite under the 80 DA. Then the Crud Thug (oversized pneumatic wire brush thing on steroids) for mud down in contours. Then 3" rolocs that look like mule hide (brown, fuzzy) for crevices, and purple 3M Clean-n-Strip XT discs for pitted areas. Wire wheel on drill for pits also. Then scrub with cup brush on drill and red scotch brite on DA while metal is wetted with Picklex 20. Wipe, rinse, repeat multi-times. Sand with 80 on DA again. Clean with wax and grease remover until rags are clean...
Then wipe Picklex on again, wipe dry, take pics. :)
Brighter areas in pics have been scrubbed and cleaned but the rest is just sanded and all bare areas are picklewiped, to keep overnight. If we end up being able to blast, this work should help prevent damage because light blasting for pits is all thats needed.
I was curious because in the past, most jobs were blasted.
Gary didn't want to send it first for fear it would disintigrate. After I had exposed the left quarter metal, about an hour in, he walked past and said "Hey, that don't look that bad" in an enthusiastic tone. So I am going with my assumption that once everything is apart that will be apart, and everything that is to be cut away is cut away... and I ask to have the things blasted, that I will get the response any reasonable person would give. :wink:
Me stripping it now tells me what there is to do and helps up plan. I needed to know what was going to be involved in that problem kink spot so I took it further. That piece is $300 (retail), just around the window. I also scrubbed below the line to see if I could get my mind around saving that part of the quarter up next to it. When I have exposed all the panel faces, I'll probably just move on to floor construction since that is the next largest unknown labor area. All the things will come up in due time, and our pro process does follow a different path from that of the hobbyist at times because its not our car. But if theres gonna be blasting I don't want just panel faces done, I want both sides of flanges done and stuff so I'll wait. But we know what we have this way better.
Should I use 20 gauge cold rolled steel to make patches with, or 18 gauge? We don't keep 20 gauge around.
Quote from: "Carnut"Gee, I've done stuff like that once upon a time, in my younger days.
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Did you make those doors flush? How?
In the interest of avoiding Model A faux pas (distasteful or amateurish ways or mods). do you guys have a suggestion for a helpful forum or two to search? I think I need to have a purist resource to go along with rodder resources.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"In the interest of avoiding Model A faux pas (distasteful or amateurish ways or mods). do you guys have a suggestion for a helpful forum or two to search? I think I need to have a purist resource to go along with rodder resources.
A couple of helpful Model A specific sites that I found helpful:
http://www.fordgarage.com/
http://www.abarnyard.com/
I`ll back out at this point as a amateur with amateur ways.
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Home built, all steel from chassis to top
Canuck
I will sure investigate those links. And I know we'll not please everyone. But the way I find my personal opinion is to sift through those of others and form my own. So if I ask for suggestions, they can be high road or low road. I just figure I'd be slaughtered at the hokey board or whatever.
Wondering if when I make patches, if it is faux pas to use 20 gauge. We only keep 18. Thats an example of a question where I know the low road answer but wonder if theres a high road. Stick around if you can stand me, Canuck. I'll need help.
It didn't take long to toss my idea of making a whole side and cutting it for skin patches. If somebody says something is too difficult, I try to listen.
Some folks cry sin at suicide doors, or flush ones. The Model A world is strange and new to me.
I am liking the right side better its fairly cherry but that roof side is hamburger! This is why I'm digging.
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The flush mount door has been very common through the years. The only thing I was around that we did that on was a roadster so it was simple. I believe you have said this before and I have read it often: use metal of the same gauge as the parent metal for less warpage. Model A's are pretty thick as I remember. The last one I worked on was 1979. :) I had a 29 roadster body and 32 rails that I sold very reasonable to fund the T/F car.
No flush mount doors with us, that was a car show thing.
All sheetmetal tops with sheetmetal from Boeing Surplus thru the Yard Store.
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Looks like Starbirds Ala A had the hardtop conversion on it.
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You've already up-graded the project by putting it on jack stands. If you're going to re-skin the door that should give you a fair amount of like gauge, like temper metal from the left over pieces of the old door skins. You might look at Brookville for replacement stamped pieces. Back in the old days there was an outfit called Gaslight auto parts and I thought their replacement panels were acceptable. The talk about body panels cracking because of wooden mounts rotting. Keep that in mind when making a floor to fasten to that new frame. GPster
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Neat pic, George.
Hey I wondered about the hardtop thing. 8)
Shop consensus is all flushing work is done on the body side.
I read that the metal varied, mostly 19 gauge but sometimes more like 18. They rolled their own I reckon.
I have seen every person that does it mess up every lower door skin patch that I've seen. (decoder ring that) The steel goes ape on that type of door shape and the older the worse it is. Good guys mess it up. I don't guess I've done one like that.
Major Barfout on the top of the rear roof panel, pics don't show that. But the tail panel is pretty. And the right side is nice other than the roof side.
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Quote from: "GPster"You've already up-graded the project by putting it on jack stands. If you're going to re-skin the door that should give you a fair amount of like gauge, like temper metal from the left over pieces of the old door skins. You might look at Brookville for replacement stamped pieces. Back in the old days there was an outfit called Gaslight auto parts and I thought their replacement panels were acceptable. The talk about body panels cracking because of wooden mounts rotting. Keep that in mind when making a floor to fasten to that new frame. GPster
I'm looking to go hog wild with tubing like on the Catalina but not just floor. The B post needs to be more substantial with hidden suicide hinges. I'll just use cold rolled 18 gauge from across the highway and grind it plenty! :idea: All the panels are about as thick as typing paper a foot below the body line at the door handle.
I asked if we get a trunk lid or convert rumble seat lid. Checking.
Two questions-
Have you guys got any thoughts on the use of plywood in the floor?
When you are butt welding your sheetmetal seams, is a gap between panels or no gap preferred?
Hey Matt ...lookit your PM's ....
Bob.. :wink:
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Two questions-
Have you guys got any thoughts on the use of plywood in the floor?
When you are butt welding your sheetmetal seams, is a gap between panels or no gap preferred?
There are two schools of thought on wood floor boards. On one hand they make good heat and sound insulators, on the other hand the body is much less rigid. I tend to use metal floors, and insulate them. For removable floor boards, wood with a metal liner underneath.
I have had better luck with the metal butted when welding thin material, but stretching the welds often during the process while they are still hot. I am by no means an expert. I tend to blow through the metal with a gap. At times I will use a copper backing plate with gaps.
Frank, I have always had best luck leaving a cutoff wheel gap but thats contrary to what experts do, they butt it like you. I did that on the 33 roof and it bit me where I didn't leave a gap.
Our chassis guy wants metal floor then plywood then metal again and welded in. I say yes to all that except lets only screw the top metal on and lets paint the wood and inside the cavity. I presume seam sealer or a sheet of foam or sound deadener would prevent rattles. Maybe a5tach the wood to the top metal layer.
The guys have the Butler sitting in the Catalina and theres not enough room for a regular air cleaner. Hood hits. I am thinking hat for the TB but some low profile arrangement might work. Thats why I was trying to set the engine farther back, so crank pulley will clear the rack. Sits tight over the rack now. I told them I built body drop into it so shim away. Doors just click shut with latches in. Pic with hood on looks cool but I'll post it later on that thread. :roll:
I put a cinder block inside to sit on... is that a faux pas? :lol:
I ain't worth a flip at taking Model As apart, I know that. Wood in the B pillar is screwed on from outside the pillar before quarter goes on. Nifty. Left roof to quarter joint molding thingy is all loose but can't pull it out. Had to just move on. Starting to sketch a mental picture of the framework in the car and maybe a support structure for the build pieces to fasten to and measure out. At bottom right the 1 1/4" tubing can be seen, it goes where the pillar wood was but will stick out unlike the wood. For the new hinge pockets.
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Straightened this in the AM. Weld up original split later. Straightening is good therapy even with a bum hand. :)
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Well here we are at a week. The paint is off it and a few dents got fixed. :roll: Thankfully my mind is beginning to digest the task at hand. Still find myself watching the clock but today my left hemisphere decided to show up and feed an IDJ-sounding thought to the right. Off I went! At mud bog speed. Big Mike was over by my stall working on a heavy bracket and had, bless his ittle heart, brought his chop saw up there.
Well, he finally walked away and a few minutes later, aw heck I need more tubing! I whipped up these front to rear bolted / screwed five foot pieces then tacked cross pieces in. Then I took it out of the car cut tacks and squared my box o' tubing on the floor. Reinstalled box, simply moved the tail of the body to fit the box and screwed the whole box back in.
Mental plan is to make a similar rig at the bottom, A pillars to tail corner braces. Then when I align centers of the upper and lower box, I can link them and reference the common center line and attaching panels to even out the B pillar bottom location. When thats in, I can center, plumb, level, square, whatever... body to frame and add table legs to the lower box to hold it there, bolting it at a few body mount holes. Plus I can extend the jig for use during the top chop. Also take body panels on and off while the car holds still, and the framework could be attached to either the body or frame or both, or serve as a body stand / dolly, or maybe even hold it on a rotisserie. If I make it good enough. Most of this tubing will probably morph into permanent body bracing pieces eventually. I do not plan to be the least bit bashful about adding weight or solidity to the body. Should be plenty of steel to screw interior to!
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Hey guys I know loading up on body modifications isn't everyone's cup of tea but I'd like to know what you think about rounded door top corners like a 33? Can do, I just don't know how it would grab folks. How about rounding all four corners, would I need to do the bottom if I do the top?
Would that do more for the looks than just flush with square corners? I mean would you see it as mod bling or as actually trick looking? Or is it a goof idea? Have you seen one done? If you got a opinion, spew it please. :)
I would also like to make a more skimpy drip rail. Does anyone prefer or loathe shaved drip rails?
Thanks. 8)
I thought this was a pretty cool mod for a Model A.
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I think that modification involves loosing the visor and re placing the front of the roof with the roof from a '32. The windshield is from a '32 also. That body is a '28/'29 Model A and you're dealing with a '30/'31. There is a later Model A that some refer to as the '31 1/2 that has different windshield lines and I think it is without the visor. You might look at it and do some photo shopping. Remember you're thinking about a $300.00 roof panel that might complicate the visor removal. GPster
Quote from: "Carnut"I thought this was a pretty cool mod for a Model A.
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I'm in, on the engine with elephantitis. But oh... the bodywork...um...
Aha! See now thats why I'm here. I had no idea later roofs were a thing. That A pillar / cowl area is a train wreck, to me, but that lid... :idea:
It would be extremely simple and easy to throw in rounded top door corners. I'll be right there already doing work.
This looks like a job for IDJ :lol: and his photoprestidgitorialism. Unless we the people at the shop have free reign. Boss pointed him at Murray but I need to see some stuff.
I will be hunting for a good side, rear, front view of a five window like this with a 3/2 chop. I forgot to measure the height of a stock door window opening before I split for home, can anybody hook me up?
And does anyone have opinions about rear window height? I'd pretty much want a rifle slot myself, like on an armored truck. :lol:
Quote from: "GPster"I think that modification involves loosing the visor and re placing the front of the roof with the roof from a '32. The windshield is from a '32 also. That body is a '28/'29 Model A and you're dealing with a '30/'31. There is a later Model A that some refer to as the '31 1/2 that has different windshield lines and I think it is without the visor. You might look at it and do some photo shopping. Remember you're thinking about a $300.00 roof panel that might complicate the visor removal. GPster
Somebody welded this visor on. :roll: and wiped mud over it. I am curious what the $600 ribbed roof we are getting covers. I say we can keep or ditch the visor, whichever is preferred. Personally, I think I would want a bedded windshield or a later flip-out kind rather than this pivot arrangement. Thats an area where I have not studied options yet.
You guys can see why I feel behind at the start. I did not know that any body mods were being planned but now here I am. I needed a semester of Model A 101 first. No fear of the metal work though.
Before I'll make suggestions about much, I'll have to know what I like on these cars. Guys, please do show me everything cool or off the wall you can think of that you've seen done to them. :arrow:
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Hey Matt ...lookit your PM's ....
Bob.. :wink:
Much obliged :!: :)
Got some interesting other mod ideas off the web, but, first little five minute photo edit here. I dropped and tilted the lid the last amount I could to make it look chopped and good, but necessarily good and chopped. Know what I mean? I think I might be liking more rake than others. I can't quantify this chop amount in inches but how does it grab you? The plan is 3" in front and two in back.
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Crickets, really? Aw. :cry:
I'll take that as unanimous approval. Not one person I have showed that to had other suggestions. :)
Bottom half of support structure turned out to be square enough made in the car. :D So no shop floor squaring up session required but the bottom box is removable in halves. The angle stock uprights are plumb. I am happy to report that as she sits, the support structure is square to within a max of 1/4" difference measuring from a corner of my upper box to the opposite corner on the lower. Now I can quantify variations around the body.
Such as the tail panel welded in crooked with the left quarter way in and down at the rear. Study hard, bodywork enthusiast. Spot the variations that wake up the crash fixer in me.
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I told my friends Jack and Stan to move aside, then I started butchering just like I would if'n I was gonna eat the thing.
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When you go to stiffen this body up run a support from where the back window section bolts to the upper quarters/ quarter window to the floor. I did this with mine and fastened plywood to it and used it separate the driver/passenger compartment from the trunk. It will keep the body from swaying which can be bothersome with the cowl and "A" pillar being so solid. It also leaves more room behind the seat so that there is more room for interior. GPster
Quote from: "GPster"When you go to stiffen this body up run a support from where the back window section bolts to the upper quarters/ quarter window to the floor. I did this with mine and fastened plywood to it and used it separate the driver/passenger compartment from the trunk. It will keep the body from swaying which can be bothersome with the cowl and "A" pillar being so solid. It also leaves more room behind the seat so that there is more room for interior. GPster
Similar idea, 1/2" sq tube verticals from rear panel framing to sub rail, horizontals welded side to side with a "X" frame to stabilize. Covered with welded on 18 ga. and filler wings on each side with fire stop filler so the whole assembly serves as a firestop for the trunk mounted gas tank.
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Really firms up the whole body.
Thats the perfect place to stiffen the body and create a rear firewall at the same time. If you look closely, you'll see that yesterday I added uprights to my support structure in that very spot, and I intend to attach bracing to the sturdy flange there. However, the roof seam and T will be eliminated.
Now we're cooking with gas! :)
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Did I miss something? Is that one of those blow apart cars that when it hit's the wall, it goes into pieces??? :)
Did my KB impersonation for a day, thats all. :)
:lol: Seriously, Henry must have left a piece out... it was like that Warner Bros cartoon with the giant red hairy monster with sneakers. Bugs or Daffy caught up to it with an electric shaver and woops, gone. All hair!
Its gonna be tough to resist mocking a unibody car with my reconstruction techniques. Y'know, like less tubing and more thick sheetmetal bracing. Now, I want to set me up a nice comfy spot for fixing a part or two at a time (with some sitting) and just get with it. Floor first because theres nothing much to stop me there. Need blasting, epoxy, and parts. Now is the time to decide all the street rod options and commit.
Reckon I'll have to provide other A, B, or C option images of better quality to gather any critique on the chop specs. From anybody. :roll: Hopefully the customer likes the mild chop. That operation will happen much later in the game though.
Cleaned up my area this morning. Got A parts organized and tossed remnants of past jobs, basically making space and settling in for another long haul. This afternoon I tackled the rear window panel. Turns out the T strips at the roof seams and the front trunk gutter are spot welded to the panel. All that is off it now and I am addressing damage to the top portion. Sliced the deep nasty goose-egged kink in it and got started english wheeling it back into shape. If I can save this all but the roof insert flange, thats a yard less butt weld on the bill. Worth a shot because I don't recall seeing a replacement rear window panel available. Heck the only part of it thats decent is the chop area. :roll:
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Should the description say "well used" for this body? :)
looks like it's had a hard life
What would you expect? Its 88. :shock: Does appear to have possibly survived a stand-up few rumble seat shenanigans of some sort. I was imagining that damage was from propping a BAR box mag up there during a getaway. Seems like any Model T or A worth it's weight in snot has at least one bullet hole, but this one only had one possible small caliber hole somewhere. On that green 31 I skinned the lid but owner wanted to keep the bullet hole in the shell. Sentimental? :roll:
I did the unthinkable yesterday, did not get a pic of the rear window panel top which straightened out fairly well on the engish wheel after welding up the relief cut. Searched for this panel new, closest thing was a $1,600+ 32-4 3 window one so this appears to be a valid pursuit.
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You replaced the panel with a blue paper towel :?: :?: :shock: :?
Bob... :wink:
Bob, thats what they call one of them thar fields of azure, see? Y'know like them what holds the stars up. Leastwise the horizon yonder was tough to spot without sky behind it. :idea:
It actually worked pretty good throwing those steel balls at the dents with the panel upside down. :lol: :roll: Not unlike Skee-Ball but without the prizes and you wore your steel toes, right?
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Me and the english wheel pal around lots now although its me who makes up all the jokes. But I also have a couple heavy set friends both named dolly, and they worked together (kind of a favorite combo of mine, a fat heel dolly and a big flat one) to help me bump out a very few spots before the english wheel. Both quarters got wheeled like the window panel, mainly the right... but there isn't even enough hammer work between all 3 so far around the roof, to mention. This gentle wheel job worked so well that at some point I thought to try the quarter on for size, too. Dang if it wasn't just the right height to be do-able although I may have spawned a few new dance moves in the process.
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Now, my dear Mr Watsons, I deduce that the right roof side was sliced because the caved-in rear window panel incident pushed the quarter out at the right rear corner of the insert hole. After cutting the weld there and straightening the panel to a point where the overlap at the cut went away, the front tip of the right roof side sticks way out. You gotta shove to get it hooked under this makeshift retaining tab. The driver's side fits comfortably there.
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The solution is complex but mainly in the boogered up window panel. The insert flanges are kinda screwing things up but they will not be needed, nor will the window panel / qtr flanges for that matter. Also, both quarters are long relative to the jig now but thats OK. The tail area is one thing but this roof stuff has to be 100% ironed out before doing the roof insert or chop. I almost started on B pillars this morning, but took this path instead. Having the T strips and big dents out, now I am ready to start at the rockers and pan and work upward aligning the body and pinning it in place. All that has to be 100% ironed out before flushing and sui-hiding doors and hinges, or chopping too. I would feel a whole lot better if I had the actual roof insert but made do today with a clamped sheet of 16 gauge as a placeholder. Like the toy model A hot rod at George's chair.
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Heres a little adjustable link between side windows that I whipped up at day's end, in keeping with the B pillar thought flow.
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Pretty good for a monday! :)
Quote from: "kb426"Pretty good for a monday! :)
Wow, guys! You heard that, right? Boy thats high praise, considering the source. I'll get all cocky now. :D
Thank you sir and I certainly appreciate you guys providing not only inspiration and friendly guidance but also handy segway material for me to build on, as one-liner comments upon which I can build more colorful posts. :) :roll: It was a rainy Monday, at that!
Lookin' good ... 8) Looks like the english wheel is pretty handy to correct all those little dents...Seems to save on a lot of hammer/dolley work ... :idea:
Bob.. :wink:
MATT , YOU COULD MAKE A MIRROR OUT OF A CRUMPLED PIECE OF TIN FOIL ! Keep up the good work
Thank you gentlemen, and I hope I've passed the audition. :)
I am wore smooth today, down to a nub. So this might be a crummy episode or your favorite. Turned out to be a training day, mostly.
Gary was cool enough to give the nod to my idea of fabricating a side panel to cut both door skin and quarter patch from. I have around five hours in this first try and it will probably be scrapped and the idea aborted but the feedback I am getting from those who make panels is that my try is par. It was worth taking a swing at the idea, and while theres a chance we'll continue to pursue fabrication of that, I believe its more likely we will just buy panels... or make short ones.
Before all this started with hey the first parts order is ready to hit send, do I get door skins... I got the quarters (top front corner of body line at door opening) squared in relation to the dash and secured them to the fixture in proper 3D location. Now, here are some large panel english wheel door skin fabrication attempt... pictures for your lesiurely perusal. :roll: Enjoy. :arrow:
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Not sure if that will get me an honorary junior metal shaping merit badge. :-}
That's a * good first try.
Are you attempting to wheel the panel solo or with an assistant? If solo that is a large panel to wheel alone and control droop. If with someone are they matching your speed and keeping the panel at the same height?
use the closest radius wheel and light pressure. Takes longer but easier to not over stretch it.
I had no idea there were shapers here :shock:
That will probably be the only attempt. My idea of making one panel to cut a door skin and quarter patch from for cheap was just unrealistic. Now I know. Theres no advantage to be had by doing so, but I imagined a potential one. The piece is 4 by 2 foot and I did it all myself. There is a release lever problem with the wheel that makes it near impossible to use. Having two people do the job makes it an impractical solution in light of new part price.
Thanks, Frank. I figure its par.
Thanks for the input Moose. I did study up some, leading up to this. It may be the only chance I ever get to try a large panel and am fairly certain there won't be any more attempts. Hope I am wrong.
Mat if you do a search for posts by moose there are several I posted on my A Coupe rework. Several show fabbing replacement panels.
You are doing good work on this one!
matt , lazze metalwork on youtube , and find a comfortable chair ! very good instruction on things you wouldn't even think were possible on the wheel and bead roller .
Quote from: "moose"Mat if you do a search for posts by moose there are several I posted on my A Coupe rework. Several show fabbing replacement panels.
You are doing good work on this one!
I appreciate it and certainly shall do that search but not tonight. Sounds like what I need to see more of. I learn at least one thing from every build I scoped out so far. Whew I am Model A'ed and metal shaped out though, I need like... a week of traction in a sensory deprivation chamber to set me right. Snapping from one build to the next keeps me off balance if ya know what I mean. Unrested, delirious. :roll: But as always, I enjoy the work.
Quote from: "chimp koose"matt , lazze metalwork on youtube , and find a comfortable chair ! very good instruction on things you wouldn't even think were possible on the wheel and bead roller .
I took in as much as I could stand back when I was making the rear right quarter patch for the '59 Pontiac job. Extremely informative and tolerable, he looks and pauses to let important sentences echo briefly and that is effective for me. I'd have brushed up on them the night before had I known yesterday was the day. Theres still quarter and cowl patches to make, sort of blindly though. Man I need a new chair like a hog needs slop. Theres no place like good chair.
Stay tuned for this evening's thrilling adventure :arrow: Body men may enjoy it. :)
OK, I gotta make this snappy, theres logs to saw and sheep to count :lol: Do you remember how Adam-12 would show up on Dragnet and vise-versa? Thats how my threads are here, they each have a frequent background guest star now.
Started off by shucking the B pillars down to bones, trimming interference, then cutting inch and a quarter tubing to fit onto the B pillar lower halves as support for the new hinge tubes.
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Then I bolted in pillars and rockers, reconnected the rear of the body to the jig, screwed the pan in barely and then the visor.
Then I disconnected the side window cross brace and looped a ratchet strap over the right side window and the fixture on the far side.
Brought the quarter in with the strap until the tip of the roof side met the A pillar without the overlapped cut which it had.
Of course, this pooched the front of the back window panel way up due to all the stretching from damage and repair.
I will now release tension on the strap and slice the flanged ends of the curved, skyward portion of the window panel. Then it can overlap the quarters.
Then I can square up the roof hole altogether in preparation for the metal insert, and rig a top level onto my fixture to assure that the chop is nice and even.
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nice work there Matt 8)
That was a good way to end the week. :)
:D
Don't worry about the cut up front, when flushing doors that whole edge gets chopped off.
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Don't worry about the cut up front, when flushing doors that whole edge gets chopped off.
hmm. flushing doors? there is a toilet joke there.
that body has had a rough life. Rust, hammer hits, cut marks, dents.
The patche panel? That was built in house at yer shop?
Yeah, I sure would not want to be trying to flush one with cops banging on my front door. :shock: Might take several flushes, yknow? :lol:
Yessir I made that patch at the Shack. Previous experiences indicate better results that way because the available patch is so awful. The one I made is just a little less awful.
I opted to get below the belt line door skins and short cowl patches, and when they come in you'll see how far from reality the aftermarket pieces are. A guy on the dark forum just unpacked his Howell's door skins for a Model T after buying them a year ago. Rude awakening because the bead goes all around the door there but the width of it is the only part that matches.
For Model A patched I found Brookville Roadster has the best available.
Quote from: "moose"For Model A patched I found Brookville Roadster has the best available.
Until this week the only Howells I'd heard of were Thurston and Lovey. Now that I might pay attention, oh my its all bad about them. Nifty. Some parts will be from different vendors, and its good to hear about BR. Sometime this weekend I will have a homework session that includes perusal of your threads, and I'm sure questions will arise so again, thanks.
The aftermarket world is changing to meet demands of a blossoming restoration market, and for example a decade ago the word Dynacorn was cause for depression if you were a repair man. But in the last few years, I have seen a fairly dramatic turnaround and even used a roof skin redesigned in a manner that was better for the installer. Some replacement doors are out now that even have added side intrusion beams where none were present. I'd like to do a little such improving on the A where its convenient because as-is theres nothing to stop a Harley from barnstorming right through the side of the car.
Only thing I can say for sure is that I'm glad I have been at this for a few years before these more serious and powerful builds appeared on my plate!
Hey guys, another potentially goofy idea. Talk to me.... KB's CV tank got me thinking... :roll:
Tiny saddle tanks outside the frame just have zero appeal for me, being an ex-crash man. To me, no amount of convenience or usage of space merits quite that degree of disregard for motoring safety, not to mention dual tank complexities and dual gas flap uglies. I duly apologize if that hurts any feelings, as that is not my intent. A raised trunk floor with drop-thru (yeah, Mustang but with full frame around) style tank over the axle OR, better yet, an upright tank directly below the rear window with fill neck and cap in trunk, well firewalled and encased by tubular body structure... both sound better to me.
This isn't a decision I'll be involved with, but much like the Catalina exhaust I can design with something in mind if the chassis man is willing to discuss options. I don't like designing my body work to "Just leave me as many options as possible". Thats why I try to talk things through when I approach an area where I can offer options. The Cat tailpipes will probably run through a slanted sleeve through the frame rails, for example. Yet I tried and tried to push sheetmetal ideas instead. I don't have to understand, but think I do good and save work this way often enough that it should be obvious that planning is the key.
So I'd like to hear thoughts on Model A gas tanks. No, not the old style ones in the cowl please. Any takers?
On my coupe I added a motorcycle filler on the top of the drivers quarter panel. Plan is to bulkhead the passenger cabin area and mount a tank well braced at the front of the trunk. I went with the external filler not wanting the possibility of spillage with the inside filler.
It is also very small and allowed the cap to be contoured to blend with the body panel.
Quote from: "moose"On my coupe I added a motorcycle filler on the top of the drivers quarter panel. Plan is to bulkhead the passenger cabin area and mount a tank well braced at the front of the trunk. I went with the external filler not wanting the possibility of spillage with the inside filler.
It is also very small and allowed the cap to be contoured to blend with the body panel.
That sounds mighty interesting, I'd like to see. Was able to find only one post via search, and the pics were absent.
I find myself contemplating the chop job some today and thats my cue to look around the web. Maybe I can find a 3/2 chop on a five window to look at rather than trying to edit a pic. I doubt the customer wants me to chop half an inch then call so he can come look, then repeat until satisfactory. :roll:
Did a trunk mounted tank, just behind the seat. First installed a fire barrier floor to rear shelf and quarter panel to quarter panel sealed with firestop all around. Panel is just short of the quarter panels to prevent any transfer thru the panel.
The tank is a commercially available tank with a fill tube extended to the top of the quarter panel for outside filling. The light weight of the tank left me concerned about possible damage so a steel framed wood barrier was built.
A custom built tank would have been better fit, the commercial tank was selected for motor vehicle inspection concerns. The curve in the filler although it seems smooth still resulted in a slow fill.
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I like your version of a steel framed wood barrier. 8) And for your reason, a prefab tank makes complete sense. The Factory 5s had some fueling woes and lots of unique setups do. Cap is not too bad, sure beats right under the driver's nose. Thanks for the visuals! Not far from what I am imagining but we will have greatbigohuge tubs, it appears. :shock: :0-0
That's exactly what I did with my 29 roadster. Worked out great!
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Yessir I made that patch at the Shack. Previous experiences indicate better results that way because the available patch is so awful. The one I made is just a little less awful.
ok. I saw the drawring on the sheet metal ... Was not sure if you moved forward on that. Perhaps I missed the verbal commentary
Quote from: "Crosley"Quote from: "idrivejunk"
Yessir I made that patch at the Shack. Previous experiences indicate better results that way because the available patch is so awful. The one I made is just a little less awful.
ok. I saw the drawring on the sheet metal ... Was not sure if you moved forward on that. Perhaps I missed the verbal commentary
There was an aborted attempt to make a door skin on the page before this. Someone could not grasp the concept of that original plan, so I drew it. Guys here understood. My first try was not good enough so we ordered skins. From that attempt, I salvaged a corner of the metal and made the patch shown Friday from that.
Howzis :?: :arrow:
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I like that 3"-2" chop ! It makes sense of that curve in the top of the window opening at the top of the doors. Now you need to learn how to draw suicide doors and flush fitting front door edges. GPster
Yeah, boy... all that kinda has to happen at once. Its bound to be like arm wrestling an octopus, I'll be busy as a one legged man at a butt kicking contest I tell you whut. :lol:
Meanwhile :arrow:
I did another like the other day. Straightened the quarter first and followed the same basic process but this one still needs work at the bottom, I had to make revisions on the fly, y'know. For a Monday, I'll take it. You fellows feel free to ignore that pic plotting the chop. They think I've gone all the way plumb insane so I ain't doing the photo edits about work no more. Nope. Thought I had something there. but nah.
Here are the today pictures and if theres a question, kindly speak up. I am off to closely examine the inside of my eyelids for hours. :idea: :arrow:
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that panel looks nice !
Quote from: "chimp koose"that panel looks nice !
Thank you sir, I figure its not too shabby yet. :)
Met the owner today, wow is that guy happy!
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I was kinda all over it today. First customer visit and he was thrilled. :D I'm fooling with doors now.
By the way, customer expressed interest in a tank at front of trunk. This pic edit satisfies my curiosity fully and I would chop now if I had the roof insert.:)
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Quote from: "idrivejunk"By the way, customer expressed interest in a tank at front of trunk. This pic edit satisfies my curiosity fully and I would chop now if I had the roof insert.:)
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Don't know if you have ordered the roof skin or not, but a 68 Chevy full size 4dr HT skin drops on perfectly, just trim to fit. Same arch front to back and side to side. Think I put it on backwards.
Quote from: "Canuck"Quote from: "idrivejunk"By the way, customer expressed interest in a tank at front of trunk. This pic edit satisfies my curiosity fully and I would chop now if I had the roof insert.:)
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Don't know if you have ordered the roof skin or not, but a 68 Chevy full size 4dr HT skin drops on perfectly, just trim to fit. Same arch front to back and side to side. Think I put it on backwards.
We are getting a prefabricated, ribbed metal roof insert panel. 8)
I pretty much have a door fitting in a hole with a slight overlap on top and at the top rear where cutting will already be happening. I have not cut the quarter, can you see what I did?
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I pretty much have a door fitting in a hole with a slight overlap on top and at the top rear where cutting will already be happening. I have not cut the quarter, can you see what I did?
Did you extend the body about 3/16" to get a nice gap compared to the original overlap I see on most car?
Quote from: "416Ford"Quote from: "idrivejunk"
I pretty much have a door fitting in a hole with a slight overlap on top and at the top rear where cutting will already be happening. I have not cut the quarter, can you see what I did?
Did you extend the body about 3/16" to get a nice gap compared to the original overlap I see on most car?
Yes, the owner requested flush fitting doors, no handles or hinges showing. Where the hood seal lies on the cowl theres a bead that is rusted through on both sides. I plan to keep the original seal location and remove a half inch of rusty bead there, then put a new bead on the trimmed cowl edge and weld old to old. That will make up the half inch I just scooted the cowl and A pillar forward in relation to the rockers and roof. We are doing a smooth cowl top panel so I imagine trimming that a half inch too should be about all there is to it.
This is the loaded B pillar, ready to stuff back in. I will need to add structure to the door shell to have something to connect the door side hinge pockets to. That would be next, so I can swing the door open.
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This is how far I moved the cowl and A pillars in relation to the fixture, at the dash area.
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I was planning to just remove the rusty band under the molding where the tape is here, and make up the half inch that way but I believe we will make a new front section, smooth. And hello molding I didn't realize goes there, it means that can flange, overlap, plug weld, and hide. Aha! Planning just wins.
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End of today, door in hole but gap needs work all around. Footloose was right, the previous rockers were installed with the B pillars too far in. Its a work in progress...
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I set the hinge post deep as it can go into the pillar, for shoulder room. So the door moves down considerably when opened. Apron clearance will be checked. It does open to a 90 degree angle to the car, there was a screw head in the way of one hinge at pic time so its just partly open.
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Heres the business end. Yes thats the old B pillar to side window brace you see a piece of, repurposed as a hinge pocket brace which is probably temporary.
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Worked toward a better flush fit today and tied A and B pillars together, screwed hinge post to pillar, flattened body line below side window some, etc. Sneaking up on it. Its probably time to go catch up on the other side. :arrow:
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For some reason, I expected that if the lower body was repaired before that it would still be good. Obviously, I'm missing a lot of the history of this body. :)
Quote from: "kb426"For some reason, I expected that if the lower body was repaired before that it would still be good. Obviously, I'm missing a lot of the history of this body. :)
Looks to me : the body rot was covered up , not repaired any where near correctly. Cosmetic bondo repair process was used. :shock:
How's the age old saying go...
Heat it til it drips, pull it till it rips, cave it, pave it, blend it, and send it. :idea:
When the job was handed over, Mike had cut the left B loose from the rocker because it was obviously out of place. He thought the bottom of the body was squished together. He was right because swinging it out helped door and quarter line up. I will have to center them once both sides gap out OK and mock up with aprons. All hinge pocket and tube final locations are still up in the air because the pillar can still twist. There will have to be a top cross brace on those for anything to be solid. It was better after today, door swings more like a door lol.
History moment: Rewind to customer visit... when his Paw done the mud and stuff (rockers, pan, braces, patches, tail panel) he got it from some place it was buried up to well... where you can see. Assuming another chassis came into play, and that either tree limbs or livestock or maybe even creek had had their ways with it and I'm sure the car thought it was a goner. But see I think the origin is a generation deeper yet, it came from his Gramps. I am violating an heirloom pretty hard, its like walking into a crypt I tell ya. So much unfathomable history.
I know you bodymen like supplements, so here are some in the form of pictures.
Befores-
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In order to distract and conf... I mean amuse, here are supplemental pics to the supplement (think it'll total?). Additional angles from today.
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Only one I got. From October.
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Its been a long strange couple of days. Long story short, banging the mental rev limiter and popping loudly. Started to hook today though, and after much bewildering fuss I am ready to match up the right side of the car to the left. Meaning I've got the left side close enough that I could chop. I'll be taking the shortest path which leads to chop and the same degree of bracing may not be needed on the right side now that dimensions have been established. Today I left off working on right A pillar position. The week got off to a slow start but today hatched some plans for how to make what and where.
Heres a scribble that shows where I'm at and rough ideas, and may help you sort the fixture from the car in the following pics.
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Couple things from the other stalls-
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Reckon I'm a wee bit flustrated with the A. Too many side-to-side dimensional variations. I raced to a point of ready to stick a right door in the door hole, then when I did... the body line of the door sits an inch low. So if I move it up, the door top bumps right into the drip rail. Dadgum IT!
Last minute of the day, I C-clamped it up there for a glance and my heart sank. For lack of a better analogy on weary wit, I'll say its like the moment during a fistfight with a stranger where you realize you must give up now or kill.
Only solution I see is to get the quarters off and jig them to each other so I can locate and address where they don't match each other. Then I can proceed but the stock B pillar and old replacement rockers ain't gonna cut it. They cloud the issue. Any remnants of replaced panels must go. Not gonna do war with this door too, its time for the thinking man's approach where the steel has no choice but to comply with my wishes. I just was trying not to go there but negotiations with the vehicle have failed.
The old rocker helped me on the left (I think) but the right one is throwing the compass off so to speak. I believe I can just about create mirror image quarter / pillar / door assemblies off the car with them jigged side by side, nothing between. Set them down on rockers and go.
I can hear the collective "So when are you going to chop it?".
After that. Not looking to make goof moves just for show. On this one, anyway.
This was morning, and the experiment failed. I moved what I wanted to move but I needed to be pushing apart on the other side rather than pulling together as shown. I undid what I did but hey theres a friction jack in pointless use!
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Lunchtime-
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End of day-
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm........ :? Maybe Henry is showing his disapproval :?: :?: :roll:
History shows us he wasn't real keen on changes ..... :lol:
Bob... :wink:
right hand side roof line seems a lot fuller and the drip rail also looks to sag midway
Today was entirely different, it was wierd. I cleaned my stall first and that took awhile. What a thrash zone it was. Step one toward mental clarity.
Step two, talk out details of our mutual jobs with the good help, wiping away questions, addressing concerns, etc.
Step three, clearly log those activities. I started to, but...
Friends had gone to a nearby junkyard and decided to drop in. They snuck right up on me. During the bull session, the friend who I have not only worked with but also for... pulls his head out of the Cat and says "You've come a long way since you were painting cars for me!"
But I didn't paint...
Oh yes, you did! Twenty years ago.
Oh, sure enough. Yes I did!
Before putting in about four years at his shop ten years ago, doing crash work, I was a painter twenty years ago and he was a bodyman.
After their visit, I finished catching up my log book and was suprised to see enough time left before lunch to get some actual work done.
I turned to the A. But needed to P first. Eric's words echoed in my ears as I walked.
Generally I despise praise, but like anyone I crave it. I brush it off as insincere by default knowing its the car owners who pay the price.
Unsolicited positive facts with gigantic amounts of supportive evidence, delivered in unbiased conversation with someone I trust and respect... regardless of whether I am fond of them... I can accept. Makes me want to look down, kick dirt and change the subject though. And grin with genuine satisfaction. Couple buffer sentences later I am ready to thank them.
I did come here, in I think 96 or 7, knowing I would have to prove myself all over again and start at the bottom because my reputation was splattered all over north LA and east TX. Dang if one day, jobless but house sitting for my RV-ing folks, the phone rang. A reference from Shreveport to a south AR man building the fanciest body shop I ever seen, where I live now... got me a job right there on the porch swing, out of the blue. And so it began, here.
Seeking the best flat rate and two weeks vacation after a number of years, among other benefits, I worked all over this area.
I've never found the vacation. Jobs either peter out before you can earn it, or you are flatly denied that long of a break if you do.
Shop after shop, to this day I am still always trying to prove my worth and get that elusive two weeks off. I guess if I stop that, I'd probably suck. But I know I will never achieve that, its just not possible. I'd have to quit. I've come to accept that.
But Eric's remark tipped my perspective. I look around, I remember things said. I look over my work all around me.
And it occurs to me that perhaps I ought to behave like an accomplished professional. Heck I have never grown past T shirt and jeans mentality nor have I taken time to reflect on things I've learned. Don't feel as though there was ever time to grow, only to work and crash.
But this car fixer dude I've become is finally getting my own attention. I can see most of my work is solid. Not that I am that great at what I do, but others with less solitary lives would have to invest far more effort to get where I am, at my job. All I am is too dumb to quit to pursue riches so I stay, and end up like this at most jobs I've had... in a top technical position.
So I don't know what it is I am trying to communicate, other than maybe that I've experienced a perspective change. No, I don't feel like quitting posting ha, ha. Just natural personal growth, I suppose. I do see that I can stop trying to prove my worth and focus on continued development of my abilities though, and thats new. Recent years have been a blur of personal damage control and loss prevention, and I feel perpetually precarious. The skill growth just kind of grew naturally while I wasn't paying attention.
Maybe I have worked hard enough all my life that the rest of the all would allow me to regroup. Perhaps prosperity does not ride a dead horse after all.
Maybe theres hope. I have reflected on my works and am well pleased. Others are too. I'm way past needing to prove anything to anyone in any shop except the boss. He put me here and I appreciate it much.
Just wanted to share that little coming of age. It was a long time coming but as always (way late) I finally get the picture and sometimes act on it correctly, (here comes the key word) eventually. This time, the lesson is quit doubting yourself. I am proven and could even be called an old hand at this stuff by some and to you men I'll express my gratitude for telling me this all along and tolerating my version of humble bodyman. Nothing has changed nor do I plan to, I just got a glimpse of myself from someone who knows me from way back. Enlightening!
Step four- take four days off at Labor Day. YESSS!
Stand by for a picture post like you have come to expect, gents. Thanx. :)
I feel fortunate. So far during this job, the periods of "what have I gotten myself into" panic don't total more than three minutes. :lol: Frustration and swearing is another matter entirely. :)
Managed to corral myself before breaking a leg or something by starting today with no pressure thanks to random interventions by friends with plain ol friend words. :)
Late in the morning, tenderly I aproached the vehicle. Happy and relaxed, I observed the scene and recalled yesterday's final act.
I had run out of time, and had to leave with just clamps on it as you saw. But I saw enough to know that even though I had made room, that door was not going to fit the aperature. That sent me into orbit, zing!
I had wanted to unscrew one screw from the holding plate at the roof / A post so the top right door corner could still overlap.
So I did that. Not enough. Took the plate off and the roof side came up just a little. Heft...
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Get outta town! No way! Look, it fits! Mostly. Here, the car is a bubble shape, take a step left.
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So. It overlaps at the top, expectedly. But at the front...that top corner... what th'
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I had to get out a straightedge and tape and put lines all over the place. But look and you'll see... above the belt, the door's perimeter simply veers to the right. A bendy straightedge following the front or rear door edge (arrow straight on the other door) tells the tale. Factory snafu, probably nothing out of the ordinary. Also, the rear of the door window opening is tilted, the others are not.
Other than these problems around the window frame section of the door, she fits mighty fine in the hole I made. I'll be danged (and I probably will).
Nevertheless, tube rockers and probably pillars plus the quarter contour and dimension matching session will all likely occur. But having identified the conflict and moving forward with it is where I needed to leave off so whew. Forgot a both doors open pic but heres a glance inside to prove both are hinged now.
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I know. You would have believed me without that. Old habits...
Everybody enjoy your weekend. 8) Mine has begun!
Drip rails came in, pre-bent and all. :)
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Very slowly, some hinge area reinforcement is taking shape on the driver's side. Again, I messed with the post and pillar position more :roll: but with the quarter loose from the pillar, it "wanted" to stick out at the bottom too much. Still does but barely. I moved the pillar base another 3/4" or so to the outside and that helped with the flow of the panel faces at the gaps.
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Thats 16 ga hot roll. Pockets look to be 16 gauge also. In the process of trimming pockets and that thing so it can sandwich the door shell to this length of split 1x3" you see hiding inside the door shell. The short edge is only a half inch or so and it runs alongside the vertical window channel, butted against it inside that corner of the shell.
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Does your shop use the yellow tape for everything but painting?
Quote from: "kb426"Does your shop use the yellow tape for everything but painting?
Yes, also painting. Its not my shop though, I'm an employee. Drip rails came out of the mailing tube that way.
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Door is clamped a little too far shut.
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WOW :!: :!: A new way to use needle nose pliers & a crescent wrench :idea: :idea: I gotta remember that :!: 8) :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"WOW :!: :!: A new way to abuse needle nose pliers & a crescent wrench :idea: :idea: I gotta remember that :!: 8) :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
Fixed that for ya, Bob. :) The key lookin thingy on a Spam can works too. :lol: Nothin new under the sun.
Everybody has a bad back... but theres a lift, engine hoist, forklift, chain from ceiling... :roll: :idea: :arrow:
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Working on getting the B posts down tightly over a cross member. Took doors off to almost avoid whining while moving the body. It was a hassle getting the cowl bolt holes (4) each shoved out the amount I felt was correct for fit then dealing with the side effects, and I never measured them vs the frame holes. But the fit was right on when the moment of truth arrived so the two front bolts went right in. That first hurdle was a lulu.
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These were before lunch-
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Bad day, I lost ground and casualties were high. Frustration at maximum. I wore earplugs and that helped for awhile but still ended up throwing two or three things. :roll:
Welp... Lovey and Thurston must be marooned on a desert isle... Howells won't call back, 4 days now. Sheetmetal should have been here already.
I kinda went all lions tigers and bears on the car... oh, my! :shock:
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Would you believe the guy who said the car was too skinny at the bottom says its way too fat now? :? :roll:
So I'll be going for no overhang of the body out past the top of the aprons next attempt. Boy o boy but I tell you what, thats the squirrel who had the body mount wood hid. Came up mid afternoon and said he wasn't gonna say anything but that its not supposed to hang over the apron.
Got me an idea though :idea: that when I try again with no fixture but also no B pillars and no rear window panel... things will look different.
I have re-submitted my team smart application once again with wood under it, so we'll see how that goes. Looky, I think them pillars was all cocked wrong inside the quarters where I couldn't catch on. Shortening the floor crossmember between B posts will move those sides right in, and since now the cowl sides and doors are tabbed with flush gaps, I should be able to swing the whole body sides together closer having the rear window panel out of the way. That will reduce the bottle necked look from behind and allow the car sides to look vertical from front or behind it. Theres the current theory, anyhow. Be sure to tune in next week for more thrilling conclusions! :roll: :idea: :?: :arrow:
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Don't know if this would be any help to you, but I will throw it out there anyway.
My body was destined to be closer to stock so these measurements were helpful. I know a body manufacturer publishes a drawing of the frame, but I wanted more detail so I took this off a stock frame.
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Thats good reference material there :)
I think the rough measurements I arrived at are around 44" wide between B pillar bottoms and 4' at their tops. One thing I suspect is that I'll have a much easier time working this body on the shop floor with no engine in the way. I have a plan of attack in mind for next week and parts will be in Monday according to tracking so perhaps I'll do better than stalemate then. Just screwing on a firewall and roof insert and having door skins and cowl patches will be a different world where I don't have to chase my tail so much. Door latches got drop shipped. I hope to have a clear shot at it early in the week.
Matt,
Don't stress yourself too much about the measurements of the Coupe body. remember you are building a modified hotrod. The body mounts on a flat platform so as long as it is close and the doors and trunk lid operate then the battle is won!
There is one thing that I would worry about making that body wider at the bottom. The running boards have square edges on all four sides which kind of limits the placement of the fenders. With the rear fenders put in place by the rear fender wells rather than the frame you might be looking at a lot of things that will have to be moved. GPster
Quote from: "moose"Matt,
Don't stress yourself too much about the measurements of the Coupe body. remember you are building a modified hotrod. The body mounts on a flat platform so as long as it is close and the doors and trunk lid operate then the battle is won!
Point taken. I am told "a lot of it has to be just your eyeball". True, that. The black or white no grey mentality really doesn't apply here. Confidence stems from knowing my numbers are right, and normally I disregard eyeball until I am loosely comfortable with numbers.
Quote from: "GPster"There is one thing that I would worry about making that body wider at the bottom. The running boards have square edges on all four sides which kind of limits the placement of the fenders. With the rear fenders put in place by the rear fender wells rather than the frame you might be looking at a lot of things that will have to be moved. GPster
This mirrors the admonishment from chassis guy. Let me be clear... I have no intention of altering the stock body location or width dimensions, just don't know how to find those. I didn't think it would be hard to find somebody willing to measure between bolt heads at the bottom of their B pillars or the wood at the tops, but it is that and beyond. My guesswork thus far was based solely on: first, the statement that the body was too skinny at the bottom. Second, on flow of panel faces. Now, I am back to an "Its too..." statement as my criteria. Thats with "Hey... this is YOUR baby!" as the default response if I have an idea of my own. Perhaps the statements are coming because I made a vow to not ask any Model A questions of anyone at work except the boss. The boss who signs the checks, that is. :wink:
I don't know that I'm far enough along to mock up running boards and fenders yet. I do suspect that the rear window panel width has been throwing me off. Hopefully my next stab at it will be more productive, and having the new sheetmetal on hand will help. Periodically, I must remind myself that I've been given an exceptionally confounding task based on abilities I have shown, and that if just anyone could do it, I probably wouldn't be.
Difference in new door skins-
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Difference in old quarters-
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Left drip rail off-
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Pillars off, roof insert in background. Firewall in foreground-
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Had 3hrs on it today. Smooth cowl top should come in tomorrow. :)
:)
:) back.
If any of you can suggest an order of operations that could help this go smoothly, I would like to hear that. We must gain lots of ground immediately and without slip-ups. I've got myself in a bad situation by trying my way, not having stuff, and listening to changing parameters.
If not, wish me luck and walk to see the wizard with me. Either way, I'm going! :D
Spots where I MIG'ed then wet rag-ed to tame stretched metal-
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Only had a tape measure out once today. :)
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Reckon I'll slide that pan under it and give her ye olde heave-ho somehow. Boy I wish I'd had the sheetmetal sooner.I believe the order was placed before Labor Day. I would be more sane now. But now I have the stuff to do the things... except door latches and trunk hinges which are both quite important for what I am about to do. Oh and I do plan to take my own advice and put the roof in from the bottom. But this will do for the moment.
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Cut tabs and opened doors and of course they are crazy again. Took the tail reinf off for the time being. Leveled the frame and body and tacked enough bars in there to hold it kind of still. Using the upper half of the support fixture again. Right now there are body mount bolts at the four corners and the aprons are blocked up where the quarters sit.
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Roof is crooked as can be-
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I am using the stock rocker remnants to tack to at this point and am working my way up to position things but in my book, tpday was huge because I have side to apron looks that might work, fore / aft body position seems OK, and heights of most points forward of the axle and below the roofline match side to side. Centering it should be not bad or is already close enough.
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So the plan I have in mind now is to mark everything for the chop, remove doors and rear window panel, trim the A pillars and cut the quarters at rear and top of the side window. Then we can look at it chopped and confirm likes. Then finally I will have a clearer path which starts with doors and should be an epic saga. :roll: :arrow:
This is interesting to watch. All the chops I've watched have been on a solid body. I'm pretty sure most weren't measured everywhere to see what was out of square. Every year at Salina, I observe some chops. The bodies are all on frames and not in pieces. :)
Quote from: "kb426"This is interesting to watch. All the chops I've watched have been on a solid body. I'm pretty sure most weren't measured everywhere to see what was out of square. Every year at Salina, I observe some chops. The bodies are all on frames and not in pieces. :)
Good point, Bill. :) What goes on at Salina?
I brought a preconcieved notion to the table about what might be out of square, but maintain that the logic behind it is undeniable.
What also might set this job apart from others seen is the nature of existing damage above the drip rails. I would venture that this specimen is relatively poor in that area.
You are right about this path, the footprints fade to grassland just beyond the trail head of this hike.
A traditional chop is said to be about a five hour job excluding metal finishing. O....K..... :roll:
In my mind, theres no escaping the fact that a traditional chop is... shall we say... half hearted. :shock:
The body is ruined for me that way, it can no longer be disassembled fully as intended and the welding cannot all be done.
Perhaps its another nievety of mine is to think not doing the can opener cut with it all together can be a success. I am looking at the stuff I gotta use, and in light of the horrific extent of invasive repairs required every step of the way here... concerns for getting the chop (one man's) "right" are fluffy blowaway concerns at this point. Its safe to say that proper, extensive rust repair on early Ford cars is one of the more counter-intuitive tasks which a man of my background can encounter. But once you learn to ride, its all down hill ain't it? Never forgetting how. :arrow:
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Matt, at Salina they do 2 chops each year. From what I know about this, you submit a request for your car and info about it. They pick the ones they want and it's free. :) I have a friend that had a 40 Merc done a few years ago by Keith Dean. I know it was no charge. The others, I don't know about. :)
Quote from: "kb426"Matt, at Salina they do 2 chops each year. From what I know about this, you submit a request for your car and info about it. They pick the ones they want and it's free. :) I have a friend that had a 40 Merc done a few years ago by Keith Dean. I know it was no charge. The others, I don't know about. :)
How bizarre! :shock: They would probably stone me so I hid behind my shirt sleeve. :) A 40 is a difficult one, isn't it? Glad my first is "sandbox" difficulty! :lol:
Who is the olde guy in the photo?
I have said this before, but again, I do regard this (and all) jobs as a privelidge but especially the pre-war stuff. It is a sweet treat for me doing this, at least I think so today... :lol:
Customer was by today, perfect timing. I had just lopped off the second A post and was able to quickly clamp together the quarter pieces and tack the windshield area's top piece in, to clamp the visor to. I had the right door off and the left open, thought he was coming yesterday. He commented that he liked what was happening in the doors. Anyhow, the owner was the first to get the picture and soon boss walked up. They spoke of theme things like colors and interior and a dab of nod to his Dad's time in the service. Sounds like more Pfaff renderings will happen. By the way I saw renderings on the cued up 51 Ford truck job last week. Root beer color or a grey. Model A man may opt for an olive or tan body color with gunmetal running boards.
Additional juicy tidbits- The Car Craft with the 73 TA is out now. It is time to have more employee shirts made, and they feature two builds on the back now. We were talking over how dark cars work best for single color illustrations. I hit him with why not all Pontiacs this time, the TA and 65 GTO ragtop. I sent him a goat pic that was just right and well... the shirt is happening so cool. I think its next week boss will be "Cruisin' the Coast" with his green Bronco. A two toned bullet nosed T bird we did also plans to attend, but my vote for coolest is black 69 SS396 guy. Would not do me any good to participate in things like that, I learned from Power Tours that oh... you can crank the fun and rewarding experience knobs to max and put all your resources into being in that string of cool rides for those fleeting, greatest time of life moments... and then turn to see the passenger seat empty. And it ain't worth doing.
OK, ok. You read the words I felt like writing this day, so heres your pics, Mr. Sirs. Ask away if need be, I just mowed and ran put of gumption for work talk. :) Looks like just moving the roof top rear corners straight down where I did creates no mismatch, it fits exactly. Might not be clamped exactly. Pardon me if a pic sucks, that just means I am enjoying the work a lot now. Like I always say: Everybody has a bag. Everybody has a gig. If your bag and your gig jive, man thats groovy! Yeah, groovy and it is but um... its been a small bowl of cereal for supper last couple months and the next couple look much worse. Hard to generate many gumptions thataway.
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In the bottom pic, side and front flanges have been chopped off the rear window panel. And I have a patch for the back edge. Door latches are supposed to ship out this Thursday. :roll: :arrow:
Quote from: "Crosley"Who is the olde guy in the photo?
Eh? Whats that, Sonny boy? Speak up. Why are these things in my hands? Uh-oh, I think the hose is running in the driveway :-}
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8) nice work 8) 8) 8)
Wow, so much detail.
Matt, I have a rusty breadbox. I would like to send it to you and have you build it into a Willys Aero coupe, 53 model. Can I come by and pick it up in 6 months or so? I'll take care of the frame and running gear.
Quote from: "enjenjo"Matt, I have a rusty breadbox. I would like to send it to you and have you build it into a Willys Aero coupe, 53 model. Can I come by and pick it up in 6 months or so? I'll take care of the frame and running gear.
Not to worry Matt ...The breadbox will be supported by 4 fenders ..... 8) :lol:
Bob... :wink:
Depends what kinda bread is in the box, Frank :idea: You have all the breadbox chrome, right?
Thank you guys for acting as rumble strips for me. What day is it? :lol: Anything left in that Thermos?
Buckle up, lets catch the now before a new one comes out :arrow: :-}
Head inside right quarter window looking forward-
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Head in right door window looking rearward
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Now look forward. These pics are to show the necessary corner slices. Above the chop line, no slices. Nothng needed at back of quarter window.
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I call this the Cat's eye view. It is the angle from whence the 59s gal rider stares daggers at the gal on this side of the chopped 30. Revs will follow.
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Lining up the panel skins is one thing, but compensating for vertical taper of the door shell is another. These are right after chopping.
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Bob if I've learned anything significant at all here, its that them things take the hot right out of one. Hang onto those streety parts though, no calling them Willys Aero inner fenders either. :lol:
Here are some more details. Check these out on Sunday when your bifocals are right side up. 8)
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Yeah, see... those may require study. Don't hurt yourself. I was questioned how a wedge shaped chop did not mess up the vertical gaps and came up with this string of loosely explanatory images. Theres slop everywhere but I am a bodyman, never fear.
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Stand by.
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Alright, step back and eye her up.
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Consider yourselves status-quo'ed. 8) Heres a pic to remind you where you came in at-
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Who needs a chaser after all that? Yea the A will be ugly until it isn't. My junk is on the other end of that journey, she's oh... around a 14-16 footer at this point. Gaining on 20 fast but y'know a foot a year ain't bad parked outside.
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Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Quote from: "enjenjo"Matt, I have a rusty breadbox. I would like to send it to you and have you build it into a Willys Aero coupe, 53 model. Can I come by and pick it up in 6 months or so? I'll take care of the frame and running gear.
Not to worry Matt ...The breadbox will be supported by 4 fenders ..... 8) :lol:
Bob... :wink:
I have four fenders. I have a 41 Chevy left front fender, a right fender from a 04 Mercury Sable, and two left rear fenders from an AD pickup. And some pieces of a 50 Dodge roof.
Quote from: "enjenjo"
I have four Fenders. I have a 41 Chevy left front fender, a right fender from a 04 Mercury Sable, and two left rear fenders from an AD pickup. And some pieces of a 50 Dodge roof.
I have a 40th anniversary GTP frame, decklid and spoiler, 72 Cutlass Supreme trunk lid, old 4T65E-HD, 99 GP dash, one push mower, and one garage door. thats just the porch. Whole GP a few steps away. Shed over yonder. What are we doing here, playing that game like we do at work where we all eat a bunch of crusty junk bolts and see who craps the right kind that we need? Thats no fun. But I can understand your car parts situation. Now why do you need all those guitars? :?: :?
:lol:
Kinda midway through fitting the roof insert. Its going to need 3 or 4 bows for support but with all things considered, it is looking fairly comfortable in there. :)
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Are drip rails going back on?
Yes. They are new and pre-bent and I have them. There was a pic somewhere along the way.
Today I found a shape we like for the right side roof profile-
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So I made a matching pair of 18 gauge angle strips that follow the contour. The right one is shown and the left one is in and helping but I quit in the process of getting the left side adjusted and screwed.
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I had been struggling with the shape of various support methods for the insert, so I brought out the original insert's wooden support and used part of that which seems to have helped. It seems the thing to do is make angle strips for underneath each rib, running fore and aft. With cross braces as well. FYI, the insert barely covers the hole now. So if I shove the roof up more, I run out of metal. So the insert has to be screwed in nice and evenly before any attempt to add crown to the insert. These ribbed inserts do tend to appear almost flat, do they not?
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The dark piece in the second pic is 16 ga, and over the pillars. Ahead of that is an 18 ga one and they are tacked to the 18 ga side rails. Planning similar brace at rear but today I also added a connecting strip at the upper windshield piece that fills in behind the visor. That helped guide the overall shape but some of the ribs are not perfectly curved yet.
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I have to show you this one so you can behold the phone camera distortion... the tubing on the roof is not bent and the pic can speak the rest.
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Tell me what you see there, if anything. Here are other pics just to brighten your brief day if I may. :)
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Anybody know what this is? :?: :?
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Question: will you use step rollers on the bead roller on the top insert to make an offset so the insert is the same level as the outer edges?
Butt welding it everywhere. :idea:
Matt, it looks like the center is sagging a little, will you be putting the wood back in to keep its form and give it the original look or are you installing metal supports?
Another question- I have only ridden in one Model A and this is just an observation from that ride. The visor was an original one with no vent in it and those cars were not driven at 70 miles an hour back then. The visor on the car I was in rattled bad from the wind. Are they going to louver the visor?
Keep up the good work, it's looking good.
Just lost my whole post, "no post mode specified" appeared when I either hit preview or made a mistake. No going back with the browser. So thats all gone and it was complete except the last pic. Some of what your asking is right on this page already told and I am out of time to start over from scratch on the post. When theres more time and inclination to squander, I'll do so.
Just the pix-
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The roof wood was partially used as reference when making the permanent metal roof support pieces. You are seeing a rough sketch, nothing is ready to fully weld. I need pieces together to work with, thats all. The visor will not be ventilated and will be welded. More answer when theres more time, if need be.
Sorry about that guys it just ticks me so bad when I suddenly lose the last half hour's work. If I've skipped a question, shoot. These pics are just the half day's continuation and they explain themselves pretty well. But look how bent the frame seems and how bent that cross tube appears... I gotta run through camera settings. :roll: With every android system update, another app goes to crap by the name of "upgrade". My kingdom for a desktop once more... soft keys just throw away life.
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Moved the whole mess over to the lift today. :)
With the roof insert secured and upper and lower supports in the passenger cabin, the body became stiff enough to do this:
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Building for keeps now, I moved last week's temporary crossmember and made it the B-post / seat mount's rear bolts... brace. Then one for the front bolts that hops over the trans yoke.
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That scrapped together center may not be for keeps but this is a start. I mainly focused on getting the side pieces laid in right.
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To keep from boogering up any more rivnuts, I made these pegs with smaller bolts that drop slightly into the bolt holes on the frame. They allow me to draw the pan up against the structure and keeps my four corners in place.
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Last was the 42 incher out back, it follows the angle of the frame and pan kickup. Ends of that will end up stuffed inside the bottom rear corners of my quarter patches, and that will be a tire clearance hotspot as well as the launching pad for rear body structure. This is as much fun as metal finishing!
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Once this structure goes all the way to the back, I'll get rid of all old rocker plus more. Keeping just the outer door jamb sections as a cap over this but I already cut one side up, woops. But theres enough framework present in the lifted body right now that I can do whatever at the bottom, and once I remove the old rockers this baby will sit right down on the new stuff and ah... I will be able to corral this wiley elusive vehicle body and tame it. :D
Finally I can at least lift it by the pan. :!: :arrow:
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:) Latest developments, for your perusal :arrow:
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Hood line seems to flow alright
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Claws and poppers are in. We had the big ones but are using the small ones (cowl side) and it was handy to provide a side by side comparison. They are from Autoloc.
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These-
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Go here-ish
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Trunk stuff taking shape-
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The angle iron foot stays, the 1x3 goes.
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And yes, rear control arms are adjustable and body shell is positioned based on mount holes in chassis. Wheel too far forward but arms are sll the eay adjusted short.
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I have the main trunk bracing tacked up. Probably going to have to make a door jamb for the quarters before proceeding with bracing, so I can nail the quarters to something that holds still. Lots to do. Lots.
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First thing today I welded up cuts on the drip rail area braces and cut an upper hinge brace. Did not like the looks of it as a straight 1x3, it would mess up interior space. So I stared at it. Then I tacked one drip rail brace to the A post and hung a junky corner piece and short down extension from that to get a visual for the best way to make the C pillar.
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By the way, that drip rail brace does not come closer than maybe a quarter inch to the roof side. :idea:
Ignore the upper hinge log here, its going away. :roll: I will attach to the gutter up at the hinge area instead and with 1x2 :arrow:
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Not enough 1x2 on hand. So while that run was being made, I started on a door jamb. My pattern comes from a door end for the contour (will add bumpout if needed at body line) and my plan is to force the quarters' front edges to conform to the pattern. Hoping that works!
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Door on hinges, no tabs
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Quarter has major problems, needs to come off
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C pillar roughed in
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Quote from: "idrivejunk"Anybody know what this is? :?: :?
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I'm thinking a drum roller for a readymix cement truck. I may be wrong though.
Sounds possible.
Today I did a bear claw. Glad we waited for the backorder on small latches and poppers, I was able to set up a conventional position with latch against window channel this way. Thought I would have to put the latch behind the dash, but after beautification this should present a minimal intrusion of interior space. Mikey liked it! :) Hey Mikey! :lol: I will refrain from posting a pic of him posing with a box of Life cereal. :roll:
Be sure to see the downward pic of the latch, it shows the excess hangy-outy-ness of the supplied mount plate. Remember I love to chop and can't stop now.
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Shuts like a bank vault!
That was the morning, stand by for the rest.
Moving along, towards just getting panels situated. I managed to straighten out big issues on the quarter some more, and once the patch is back up there I can go farther. But it sure looks to me like the door itself is a contributor to the lack of flow of the body line. Probably time to hack the lower door skin off and get serious. The other side can wait until I've encountered all the adventures over here. That way I'll be "experienced" and have a lighter task on the passenger side. :lol:
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I've always heard flush mounting the doors on these cars is an enormous amount of work. Seeing your pics of this project I'd say that's an understatement.
Quote from: "jaybee"I've always heard flush mounting the doors on these cars is an enormous amount of work. Seeing your pics of this project I'd say that's an understatement.
Of course, I don't speak from gobs of prewar Ford experience but it is adding up.
If all a guy set out to do was just flush the doors on a clean, undamaged, stocker...
that is correct :!:
What would take experience to "estimate" the job is what happens when you get it flush and see what I'm seeing. Which is not unlike the job of shaving drip rails on oldish pickups.
Looking at an A, you see cutting a slice off the front of the quarter and putting an inside corner there. One might see the complications from the wood and do well to figure pulling interior and running board for no burns. Same with pickup drip rails, about the interior and layers of metal.
A guy walks up, does or starts the job and then oh... reports um, the car and the door are completely a different shape. Um, I cut the drip rail off but the door is an inch different from the roof edge in places. Many hmmms follow. :?
With the grapeshot approach to the laundry list on this baby, flush doors are like one more T shirt in the wash, no big deal. If not moving hinges to the B pillar, plywood would be fine as a door jamb at the quarter. Truth be known... after explaining my cowl cut theory effectively then demonstrating the amount of pillar movement required (about 5/8" if you ask me today)... chassis man quietly mentioned that in a situation where firewall is to be modified, the body fit difference down low might be negligible. I can add to that though, that spacers would be needed to move the visor and front roof wood and metal pieces forward. Perhaps not that much. I just haven't had it all pinned down well enough to say half an inch is enough but I'd bet you a :T) that it is.
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Quarter is just loose at the front edge now, but it mates to the door contour well enough that I put the patch on. I wanted to be at that point before I stuff a permanent hinge pillar behind there. Current setup works for mockup but the hinge tubes are too far inward.
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Spent the half day welding up hinge pockets on the door and forgot a pic before putting the reinforcing panel back on.
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Anybody remember this one? :?: :arrow:
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I remember. :)
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Certainly was a mild pleasant weather weekend. Today too, and more on the way and the leaves are stunning this year.
This morning I added a gusset atop the left upper hinge tube, built the bottom section of the pillar and it's rearward brace, and tacked the sheetmetal lower quarter flange to the qtr. Tacked a strap to the weary area of the qtr front flange just outside the upper hinge, to hold it when the quarter comes off. and until I can fill in between it and hinge tubes.
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Over on the right side now, and coming right together. Measuring plenty and looking OK on position now, so trimming the quarter and making the new flange is all thats between me and trying the door on. For a Monday, I did alright.
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Today I achieved a sufficient number of matching comparative measurements between left and right side to proceed. It was quite the challenge. Also among things I'd rather forget is impromptu straightening of the Cat roof skin which nobody saw coming. Three "Hey Matt" sessions of an hour apiece or better. Each time with monstrous oil canning and each time my bum right hand was numb by the three minute mark. Guys, if you're gonna use an 8" DA one handed while daydreaming about turbos and fat girls... lift a little.
My current mental state is precarious, I am frustrated. :evil: Burying myself in a heap of westerns and various documentaries because a strong tree bends in the wind and does not break. Trying...
Current state of affairs: Lots of carnage to solve after the panel fitting thrash this week, but the door swings in the right spot and sits like this. I think I can work with it. Glory be!
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So much more at ease today. The rest of this should be longwinded but fairly downhill. Thanks for following along. :)
Trimmed rocker corner, fine tuned and tacked quarter patch-
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The war zone. With a temporary brace helping to position the post-
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Angle finder confirms both doors at same angle when open. The rest ehould follow.
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This has made me aware that if I buy a Model A somewhere of how much should be done to make it good. :)
It is good to have seen guts of one before evaluating another. Seems like the overlaid quarter patches are so often seen, and I would bet the reason why the old metal is left in is because theres no other solid place to support the body. It just made sense to me to blow it apart for total control in this case of many mods.
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Another exercise in patience! :)
Reached a point where I felt ready to squish right door gaps to under a quarter inch so out came metal yardstick and felt pen-
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That background scrap pile does prove handy, this one was perfect just folded in half to add trimmable meat here-
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After more fine tuning, I am satisfied... but now that I study pics, the quarter ought to come straight down. Door too, just a smidge. I'll make a flange between hinges then quarter can come off to work on inner structure and what-not.
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Made these tabs to secure roof side bows to body structure over the windshield. They rest on the B pillar top crossmember farther back, for now. i've unscrewed the roof panel so it can float. In the last pic you can plainly see what I'm up against on the roof panel, and look at those wonky roof sides... the angles! :shock: I'm up for it. :) But you want it when? :?: :lol:
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I am pretty much still where I (thought I) was last post. :roll:
After reviewing pics, it was obvious that the door needed to come straight down one step, and the quarter two. Hope you can see it too, but am glad nobody freaked. I set about correcting that.
In doing so, things just kept getting worse. My nerves are shot from pillar fuss already, a dozen times over. I handle complex tasks but it isn't terribly graceful. Muttering, cussing, barking at passers-by, and striving to maintain an even keel as the clock ticks on and on. And on.
Qtr height being too high, I went right for the guesswork patch as the culprit. Cut tacks, lower quarter. Establish revised bottom bend location at pan, to match that of other side. Try on. Hmm. Again, worse.
WTH? Oh. Looked underneath. Angle of bottom bend was off, with rear patch corner pushing pan down past rocker at rear. OK.
Then I turned my head and coughed. To see that the door's rear bottom corner was also down past rocker, only at the rear. *.
So that means the caster angle of the right A pillar must not be right. Or something.
Rechecking, I had diamond. One body side ahead of the other, over the rocker. Cut tacks, correct, re-recheck. Study left side harder.
Oh, dread... I'll need to tilt the A pillar now. Something moved during the process and I didn't catch it. Alright then, once more. From scratch and perfect this time....
I will gladly spare you the rest but wanted you to have a light whiff of it. Bamfoozled, I worked through it all at the expense of another dab of sanity.
Now the door has gaps again, and adjustment, and if the whole body sat on the shop floor I believe whatever gap exists between panel bottoms and shop floor would be consistent with the exception of the tail where I haven't fine tuned a thing.
NuRelics scissor type power regulators came today. Now I can bear claw the right door just under the glass travel zone. My ideas zonked so I'll have to change the other side.
Showing right side panel bottoms lined up at rocker bottom or very slightly higher-
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Random fuss time pic with quarter off, doing the structure shuffle thrash.
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That roof just might put me in a straight jacket, its like a tater chip off the car.
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And this? Showing the quarter front flange, which after the correction won't fit. This might be tougher than hitting 200 in a 69 GP... gigantic efforts, minimal gains. Working on skins will be a slice of heaven after the geometry test this has been. But A and B pillars had to be in and right on first.
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Second attempt at latch location, as advised. Too low for me. Door shell was pooched out and welded where that crack is, near the bottom regulator screw. So I don't know if I'll need to notch that lower brace.
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IDJ, why not put the bear claw in the A pillar and the striker in the door.
That worked out really well on my 29. That way you by pass the problem with the glass getting in the way
Quote from: "Rochie"IDJ, why not put the bear claw in the A pillar and the striker in the door.
That worked out really well on my 29. That way you by pass the problem with the glass getting in the way
That was my very first idea. Mike shot it down saying way way too many problems would be caused.
What company are the power window regulators from? Another advantage to placing the latch in the A pillar is removing the snag factor from the latch pin.
Quote from: "moose"What company are the power window regulators from? Another advantage to placing the latch in the A pillar is removing the snag factor from the latch pin.
NuRelics. I thought so too, especially with it so low.
Today while doing more left door stuff, I started putting back the stuff I cut out for my latch experiment.-
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Per the supplied template, one bolt hole for the track ends up in a stepped area plus my brace needed a notch there for it so I made it flush against the shell with this little bumpout.-
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End of the day, it had evolved thusly-
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Top right, still working on it as fill-in while other spots cool. Bottom left, that bottom piece is 1x2 ripped down the side liks the 1x3 above it. Center stage is a mighty effective but puny 18 ga angle strip with bead. I don't think the big 16 ga reinforcing plate will be necessary but a guy could easily add panels to close off the door shell for less noise. Not anticipating any additional bracing at the front of the door but when the door skin is off I may add an "intrusion beam" to the shell, up higher. Mike scoped out the latch and cardboard glass and suggested nipping the bottom rear corner of the glass in order to move the latch higher possibly as much as 1 1/2". I can do that but to cut it nice and close I'll have to do some frigid window fuzzy hunting in the parts stash. :-}
Good visit with the customer today. :) Sitting on a 5" tall wood block over the rear seat brace, he's just right. I finished this phase of left door and started on the right today.
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Figured I'd snap a couple from out back, too.
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Latch and bumpout for regulator track are left to go...
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... but I felt like welding up the inside of the pillar so it would hold still-
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...and getting back on track with the patch. Just going to live with that big gap and be diligent with planishing. There was one too many shuffles but its gonna live.
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And theres the quarter flange in need of a remake as well. All this in preparation for removing the quarter to finish the pillar. Almost there. :arrow:
There will be more planishing and touch up when the quarter is off. Access is poor at front and rear. Also today I mocked up the right door glass (via CAD) and created more regulator clearance as needed at the top hinge pocket's nut plate and rear bolt. Final latch position was agreed upon so maybe soon... blasting, chop work, and door skin and bottom panel replacement can begin.
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nice fill work there Matt 8)
Thanks. :) It was just baaarely within the realm of what I thought I could pull off, and just welding the big gap kept it simple.
Heres where the latch landed-
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I need to close up the door gaps a little now, to get rid of the washer under the striker-
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That will do. This won't-
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Since this is a rumble lid, I'll have to do some whackery along the bottom to make it close fully-
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I'll need to cut some tacks and shuffle skins and reinforcements around. Already cut the trunk floor loose at the kickup and moved it up an inch to get things this far along. With so many refinements needed, theres no completing one area and moving on. Its more like bring it up to a level all around, fix an area, go all around it again and repeat. But having the pillars and doors close is gigantic, the rest of this does not worry me near as much but I do need this long weekend to regroup my thoughts and do some logical planning of the next steps.
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Other side not rotted as badly-
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Must be getting serious, he has the upper body measuring fixture up. :)
Today I started building permanent inner structure below the back window, with a double divider in mind for the gas tank compartment. The C-clamped scrap under the quarter window is just to illustrate a connection there. Shouldn't need much more tubular pieces after that.
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The blurry "bolt" in the background is the H. A. Trunk Hinge peg. Just below the bolt ahead of it is the angled tab I'll use to connect a remnant of the old T strip flange for now. The rest, we can both watch grow. :)
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After another flurry of measuring and minimal resetting of things, below the belt body dimensions have finally entered the quarter inch range of variation realm. Beats half. Length is best, height is good, and centering is OK although body could be skewed on frame at this moment. No matter. Currently referencing body center line only. Continuing upward, but had to chop up the last long stick of tubing thats part of my apparatus. Hmmm....
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Heres the bottom of the rumble lid, where I'll need to change from hangy downy flange to flat bottom °90 so it can close fully-
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I centered the rear window panel and trimmed it to overlap the back edge patch (pic) and bolted tabs on quarters (after pic, so it is crooked) to brackets on the shelf to hold it, tried the trunk lid again, cut and bent the right upper C pillar tube (not shown)...
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Front gutter needs adjustment, both quarters are bashed in next to the trunk... quite a ways to go back there-
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Also got some welding started on the left quarter-
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Behind left quarter patch... it does touch that tubing but won't-
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Heres the face. No need to fuss over it now, while access is poor.
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Roof corner-
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While I was there, I also welded up the stubborn crack at the convergence of body lines. Plus more straightening since the metal is secured and approximately positioned now.
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That was the AM. Now, for the PM:
A big lead gob, probably Ford, was in this corner of the quarter. Probably because the top corner stuck out too far. I sliced their weld a little to correct that-
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Cut 16 ga strips for screwing to, and got one behind this side. Working my way to the right.
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Wow is that car ever labor intensive . You sure got a rough one to start out with on this job !
Quote from: "chimp koose"Wow is that car ever labor intensive . You sure got a rough one to start out with on this job !
If a car or truck is not that bad, you are not likely to see me working on it. That is a definite pattern that has emerged over the last several years.
The same could and has been said of the 59 Pontiac, 60 Chevy, two first gen Camaros, a Mach1, a 40 Ford truck, a 280Z... and the list goes on.
I figured out early in life that if you want to stay busy and fed, you'll need to embrace some thing that most would refuse... then do it best. :idea:
you do awesome work Matt 8)
I bet you could straighten out a crushed beer can ! Seriously , the stuff you fix is very interesting and I know I have learned some from watching . Kind of gets me worrying less about slicing and dicing something in the future . Not like I am going to try resurrecting something like the train wrecks they drop in your stall but still , you show how one goes through the steps to getting it done . Thanks for the insight and play by play on your projects .
You guys say the most awesomest things! 8) Its a joy to share :)
I'm glad you guys get it. Its more of a ride-along than a class here :) Just me doing the jobs as I see fit, and it sells somehow.
This round of pics represents maybe three hours on the car, but we cleaned up good and I can see my bench again. Would you believe I restocked all the mockup hardware I had out? Whew, feels better like a haircut do. Anyhow, um... not much 'splaination needed for these, just a continuation-
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Got a window panel hugging top rear cross tube roughly tacked into place with sloppy probably temporary corner pieces and decided to raise the the overhead cross tube with bends near the ends and move it (not shown) forward for best headroom-
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Worked on some chop welds more-
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Then I started on some new quarter sections for above the door, below the drip rail-
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You can see the new piece there, right?
Hey looky, new meat! 8)
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One of my friends had a 52 panel wagon. It was called the meat wagon. :) I think you can guess why. That looks like it could use a front steer instead of a rear steer rack. :)
I glanced at it and only noticed the GM column. Story is, the project is emerging from a 30 year mothball, so... yep. :) Step one- unload the back and see whut he brung. :shock:
Looks as though theres one totaled Mustang that won't be pirated for rodding. ~:) :lol:
The Mustang is totaled :?: :?: :?: :?: :roll: :shock:
KB is right ...The rack in that '55 looks SCARY :shock: :!: :!:
Bob.. :wink:
Holy hailstorm batman , that panel wagon has more dings than a church bell ! Not much rust by the looks of things . IDJ normally they give you the ones on life support . Is this one for your work bay ? If it were mine I would make it a cleveland tunnel ram 4speed gasser. Rootbeer metalflake with raunchy flames 8)
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"The Mustang is totaled :?: :?: :?: :?: :roll: :shock:
KB is right ...The rack in that '55 looks SCARY :shock: :!: :!:
Bob.. :wink:
Don't Fox bodys total if the ashtray is full?
Shame on you guys... get to know her before you go ogling her rack. You who noticed it need to stick a dollar in that pic somewhere. ~:) );b( :-}
Quote from: "chimp koose"Holy hailstorm batman , that panel wagon has more dings than a church bell ! Not much rust by the looks of things . IDJ normally they give you the ones on life support . Is this one for your work bay ? If it were mine I would make it a cleveland tunnel ram 4speed gasser. Rootbeer metalflake with raunchy flames 8)
Astute observation,,, chum. I have some Bat-Ding-Repellant-Spray in my utility belt...
If it turns up in my stall, I'll just have to defib and start an IV then send it to Rampart via ambulance for Dr Early and follow in the red Dodge. :lol: (somebody will get that but can they name the show?)
Serious now... I wonder if 3M still has any rolls of woodgrain. :idea:
Imagine it in green flake. With "Aunt Bea's Cannabis Dispensary" on the side, and some dope 36" pot leaf rims doin some 3 wheel motion. :shock:
For real, nothing was said. I know No-thing, Colonel Klink. :lol: Sounds like the steering was never used but has to go. Theres a Fatman kit boss likes. "Kit"... :roll: Whats the collective RRT solution? I believe the job right now is just inspect and advise.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"The Mustang is totaled :?: :?: :?: :?: :roll: :shock:
KB is right ...The rack in that '55 looks SCARY :shock: :!: :!:
Bob.. :wink:
Don't Fox bodys total if the ashtray is full?
Shame on you guys... get to know her before you go ogling her rack. You who noticed it need to stick a dollar in that pic somewhere. ~:) );b( :-}
Bob... :oops: ~:) ~:) :-} :shock: :wink:
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "chimp koose"Holy hailstorm batman , that panel wagon has more dings than a church bell ! Not much rust by the looks of things . IDJ normally they give you the ones on life support . Is this one for your work bay ? If it were mine I would make it a cleveland tunnel ram 4speed gasser. Rootbeer metalflake with raunchy flames 8)
Astute observation,,, chum. I have some Bat-Ding-Repellant-Spray in my utility belt...
If it turns up in my stall, I'll just have to defib and start an IV then send it to Rampart via ambulance for Dr Early and follow in the red Dodge. :lol: (somebody will get that but can they name the show?) "EMERGENCY"
Serious now... I wonder if 3M still has any rolls of woodgrain. :idea:
Imagine it in green flake. With "Aunt Bea's Cannabis Dispensary" on the side, and some dope 36" pot leaf rims doin some 3 wheel motion. :shock:
For real, nothing was said. I know No-thing, Colonel Klink. :lol: Sounds like the steering was never used but has to go. Theres a Fatman kit boss likes. "Kit"... :roll: Whats the collective RRT solution? I believe the job right now is just inspect and advise.
Turns out the Mustang is a cherry low miles Cobra and while only a grand or so away, its not totaled. On the contrary, owner is prepared to pay past that plus a donor car is on-site! So... while I used to pride myself at calling totals before unloaded from wreckers... swing and miss on this one! I entirely covered one sheet of legal paper with supplemental ramblings after giving it the once-over with flashlight and tape measure. Lower body is OK, upper body got pretty messy in the hatch gutters. Onward, much ground to cover tonight...
Bob, Harry... use your words please. Explain like I'm five. :? :lol: :)(
Theres nobody's nose to rub in the rear rack sin. Here... LOOK. :D
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Stop gazing at bad things. They jump out across the street at a guy, whereas good things you gotta crawl and dig for. Such as finding out another guy is tackling it. :D Thusly :arrow:
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Get a load of that door-
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Behave and that may not be the last you see of it. :)
Since I'm already on a tangent, shiny things to add. This car has a bug under the snug fitting rug (trunk carpet up, wires showing) but its just as neat as a pin. Shot this because the minty fresh spare caught my eye.
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This solid older Ram is a factory SST that had peeling clear. Its not show paint. Matrix clear over Deltron, nibbed and rubbed, stock color and stripes, no jambs. Just preserving a loved truck for an excited guy, I think he may be the original owner. I can't say it ain't sharp! :wink:
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Stand by for standard IDJ fodder. I spent some hours on other projects today so its not much. :arrow:
QuoteBob, Harry... use your words please. Explain like I'm five. :? :lol: :)(
Gee ...I didn't think that I needed to explain...You said to place $$$$...So I did ..... :roll:
Bob.. :wink:
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"QuoteBob, Harry... use your words please. Explain like I'm five. :? :lol: :)(
Gee ...I didn't think that I needed to explain...You said to place $$$$...So I did ..... :roll:
Bob.. :wink:
Oh em gee :roll: That pic looks richer on this 7" screen than it did on the 3.
Well done, lad! 8)
I enjoy my own medicine best. :wink: :lol: OH! Shhhhh... here she comes... to sit on your lap! :)
You done good, sir. Did you see Harry in the hall or anything? :?
This morning was a long time ago. Ever get like that? Best of my recollection, I done this then. Plus other stuff. And things, and so forth. Varied and sundry work operations and plenty of What-not, What-Have-You, etc.
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This here's a "R.O.P.E. H.A.C.K.". (Relies On Plastic Everywhere. You know the rest if you're hip and have the IDJ decoder ring.) Remember, I'll have quarters off for metal finishing. ;)
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Had Mike bust out both pairs of wheelhouses that were on it. :roll: In case I could... um :idea: :? :T) I'll have to wear those on my feet and go walk around in muddy places then keep an eye on the headlines, I guess.
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This was my afternoon, pfft. After the crash job evaluation and supplement writing. I had a screw up there ready to drive and bam... assistance required next stall, day gone. :-}
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Taunting, banter, chitchat, smalltalk, and rambling will be tolerated. I don't think any of us know what year that medicine wagon is. How to tell? :?: :arrow:
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Turns out the Mustang is a cherry low miles Cobra and while only a grand or so away, its not totaled. On the contrary, owner is prepared to pay past that plus a donor car is on-site! So... while I used to pride myself at calling totals before unloaded from wreckers... swing and miss on this one! I entirely covered one sheet of legal paper with supplemental ramblings after giving it the once-over with flashlight and tape measure. Lower body is OK, upper body got pretty messy in the hatch gutters. Onward, much ground to cover tonight... :arrow:
So you won't be cutting it up and making a Ranchero out of it? GPster
Quote from: "GPster"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Turns out the Mustang is a cherry low miles Cobra and while only a grand or so away, its not totaled. On the contrary, owner is prepared to pay past that plus a donor car is on-site! So... while I used to pride myself at calling totals before unloaded from wreckers... swing and miss on this one! I entirely covered one sheet of legal paper with supplemental ramblings after giving it the once-over with flashlight and tape measure. Lower body is OK, upper body got pretty messy in the hatch gutters. Onward, much ground to cover tonight... :arrow:
So you won't be cutting it up and making a Ranchero out of it? GPster
Good eye! :wink: Its got the perfect damage to use for that.
Nothing gets past you guys. :lol: 8)
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Whats the collective RRT solution? I believe the job right now is just inspect and advise.
Not sure who it was but one of the Rod shop shows took the ranch wagon doors and extended them and slanted the B-piller to match rear side glass (the indentation behind the door in this case).
Similar to what I have in mind for my handyman wagon.
I can not tell for sure. Is the model A job gettin outta hand , gettin away from you at this point?
Quote from: "416Ford"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Whats the collective RRT solution? I believe the job right now is just inspect and advise.
Not sure who it was but one of the Rod shop shows took the ranch wagon doors and extended them and slanted the B-piller to match rear side glass (the indentation behind the door in this case).
Similar to what I have in mind for my handyman wagon.
One forum guy said extend the character line on the quarter forward onto the door. I don't think any showy body modifications will make it onto this one but its just a hunch.
Quote from: "Crosley"I can not tell for sure. Is the model A job gettin outta hand , gettin away from you at this point?
In what way?
Only maybe an hour on the A this morning. The 67 Datsun body was ready to mate with chassis and hang panels so we did that and I adjusted doors-
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While I was back there-
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Got this corner like I want and made a piece to finish the inside of that area-
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This afternoon I used the edge of the old rocker with a new bent and stepped flange to complete a flat around the perimeter of the door opening, for a weatherstrip. In progress... starting to screw it in place.
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Left rocker jamb-
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Right rocker jamb-
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Upper inner door jamb with weatherstrip extension
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Got a piece cut for the section under the right drip rail, stopped there. Half day. I'll be fixing that Cobra after one more week to get this ready to blast.
Perfectly good old tractor pic, no extra charge. 8)
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Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "Crosley"I can not tell for sure. Is the model A job gettin outta hand , gettin away from you at this point?
In what way?
The whole job... Seems like a large amount of alignment happened. Fitting , trimming. Roof work , Then that slowed to nothing with so many extra jobs appear in the shop.
Quote from: "Crosley"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "Crosley"I can not tell for sure. Is the model A job gettin outta hand , gettin away from you at this point?
In what way?
The whole job... Seems like a large amount of alignment happened. Fitting , trimming. Roof work , Then that slowed to nothing with so many extra jobs appear in the shop.
I can answer you from my point of view, or speculate on the vehicle owner or boss's view. But before developing any thoughts to write, I have to ask what precedent your progress evaluation is based on, please. In other words... compared to what? I'll need an example.
I am trying to determine whether defense or explanation is in order here, but not feeling inclined to invest much energy in either. If this question is to be a kind admonishment, say no more and I'll know what to do. Thanks, Tony.
To answer your question, Crosley: No. The car and I are fine, and have been all along. I realized early on that this job would make me look bad no matter what. It is like every job, collision or resto, in that the person wanting the work and the person selling the work agree to do business based on hopeful assumptions. Reality varies when the work begins, and fault is then the new assumption. I feel certain that you know this. Yet you are asking me to accept or place fault for what you percieve as "out of hand". You'll need to prove to me somehow that you are in a position to judge such and provide a suitable to me comparison of not just hours but also dollars before your statement is quantifiable. And you'll need to include in that the order and time of arrival of needed parts. Knowing that this is out of the question because on our end the information is private, that leaves only this:
When you see me work on other jobs, it is because they have reached a point where I come in as part of the team. I think the question you have is for my boss, and contact info for him is public.
I don't think this car has made you look bad at all. On the contrary you have taken a basically junk Model A body and brought it back to life. I look at the diversions of late as more of a palate cleanser that reduce the possibility of burn out. I know what a grind a job like this can be, I just went through one. And I am sure Tony does too. You are on your forth or fifth one in a row. Your boss is lucky to have you.
I think the passage of time is whats in question =$. Maybe also a lack of understanding of order of operations, which may be tough to gather based on my wording. I consider myself lucky to have my employer. The big boy jobs are difficult for everyone but also rewarding. Frank, you make a good point with the words "in a row". I will walk a mile to see to it that people who need something from me get every inch of it, but theres a limit to how far I will go in depriving myself of my own needs. A decade thus far, of life lived in emergency mode has aged me twice that. Heck, I thought my career ended January 26, 2015. Here I am, me now. When I am alone with a job vehicle, everything is almost as it should be. When I go a year without taking a week or two off... or working on my purple car...
...you guys know what that does because those are also back-to-back. Ever wonder what I would be like if I did? Me, too. I have put the time in for it at several places, it just is never allowed for bachelors.
I did not mean to infer your work was bad on the model A... there is no defense needed from you. It is an observation of shop enviorment events. Perhaps a better wording would be you are being taken away from the model A ?
my point was the car was getting away from you with so many jobs rolling in the shop. You had a path on the A , that seems interupted too often . On the biz side, I get that. I have been self employed , owned my first auto repair shop in 1980. Customers change their minds. Budgets change on a project.
my work with transmissions can become boring. Over n over : same work. The last 1.5 yrs, I have built a huge volume of C4 , torqflight stuff.. I am the go to guy for them. The cores we receive are very ruff shape now. Corrosion , rust , etc... It can often take parts from 3 for me to build a proper performance trans from the cores. I am suppose to chit gold from junk... sound familiar?
I am quite familar with the shop enviorment slowing things down too. Recent decisions at my work place has burdened us with time wasting tasks.. We have a GM that wants us behind the benches at all times: working. I can site many examples that take us away from the bench because of the system changes in recent months. Cause of this: there a couple guys close to walking out the door. Too much stress. Then those guys beachin and moaning adds to my stress. Good thing I retire in 1.4 yrs , if I live through this. LOL
I expereinced the pulling from 2 directions in 2017 very heavily... Rush glide race trans job. GM is telling me one thing. Owner is telling me different. GM is telling me : Listen to me not the owner. Yet: the owner's name is on the building and everything else, like my paycheck
We have R&D projects at work that are on fire.... next day, stuff is shelved. I was put on a problem child powerglide billet aluminum valve body project 4 yrs ago. I made some unpopular suggestions to fix the problems and get the project finished.. poof, up on the shelf it went. From time to time I get to hear: We have 16k $$ invested in a valve body that does not work
Aw, OK. Reeling in the defense grid. What you're probably picking up on is what inevitably follows a surge of jobs wanting in. A push to complete cycles and get rid of everything shiny. So that next year can be even bigger, and more people's dreams can come true. My involvement in other jobs may serve as "a break" in the minds of others. But the burnout ship has sailed, I have had long term burnout going for five years straight and it is destroying me... the person. No amount of recognition or compensation washes it away. I have long ago given up making anyone understand, but in the last year or so I feel like perceptions of me have changed more than I have. To the positive side.
Most important thing I have realized recently is that to think... to imagine then create and refine... I require peace and at some times quiet. We all know its best to not pull off the big job. But its also best if the guy who set the gaps repeat that after paint, and thats really all you've seen. Rescue operations like the Cat roof interlude and latch coaching are part of developing the other guys and believe me, everyone hates asking Matt but they know I'll back them up readily. Thats the only priority comparable to current task, is being there to guide and / or set an example. The bulk of my job is still focusing on one giant and hardly feasible task and as one younger guy put it: "Every day up here is like Saturday night to you.". He is right, I enjoy just doing.
Matt, it sounds like you're in a good work environment and a good place in your career. That's a great thing and I'm happy for you.
I like to say everybody has a bag, and everybody has a gig. If your bag and your gig jive... man, thats groovy! 8) Still, there are trials indeed.
Todays quest exits the realm of quantification, and explores a world where imagination reigns supreme and panel stampings run askew. A chaotic place of merciless concrete and glowing steel rain. Next stop... (cig drag) The Eyeball Zone. ~:)
Ahem- In order to make this drip rail ditch look like the other, despite matching measurements of inner roof rail and side window position, the structure interfered with these jamb pieces. Starting there, I made alterations which positioned the mirror image jamb parts correctly. Then, recognizing that I had welded the cut over the side window with the forward section of quarter ever so slightly low... a cut was made, differences were split, adjustments took place, and it ate a day but now both doors have reasonably similar top gaps and space under the drip rails. Permanent adjustment to structure to be made with quarter off.
Look at the rolled step visible in the later bottom pic. It is only visible at front in the earlier top pic. Now theres a small amount of trimming needed on the old ditch between me and a fairly consistent 3/4" wide drip rail ditch with a half inch flat over the door opening. And it should pinch a weatherstrip all around. We need to get some to try out.
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What kind of weatherstripping is in the plan?
PSA half round like for the '33. I have left a roughly half inch wide, quarter inch deep path for it. Thinking maybe 3/8" width would be good.
Various welding today, inside-
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Ugly drip rail ditch weld but conquered door gap-
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Connecting more permanent tabs for bolting quarters and window panel to structure just ahead of the trunk-
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Have you determined yet how you are going to attach interior window moldings?
Tim
I only glanced at them, but am anticipating chopping the originals. How are they attached? :idea:
There is a step I plan to take... not sure just when... that involves connecting the inner structure to the window openings. With sheetmetal. Along with the gennie interior moldings, I hope that if needed... wood strips can be screwed to that. Thats where my mind rests on the subject currently. I believe it will be a good thing but am unfamiliar with the setup. Stay tuned. Tips (and examples) welcomed. :T)
Wrapped up this area early today-
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Then I got that other tab and bolt on the rear window panel and went back to the driver's side to make the door latch position match the other side. Up 1 1/4". Took a couple tries to nail striker position.
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Another day with lots of grinding first thing, oboy! :roll: But grinding means done. :D
Matt the quarter and rear window moldings attach to the original wood surrounding the openings capturing the glass into the openings.
Attached are pictures of the original wood. The quarter moldings fastened to the surface while the rear fits into and fastens to the inside of the wood surround.
Moose, thanks for that timely reminder and additional info. Its useful and appreciated. The back window may conflict with my vision of what to put there, but not the sides.
Stand by for catch-up posts :arrow:
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If any 'splaining is needed for that last batch of pics, let me know. I wanted to get at least one good example of the doors' posts corrections, in the jamb. The skin panels are sturdy enough to blast now, and the door skin I laid over to try fit good. I can start to see the progress thats been happening, and am pleased with what I've done up to this point. Theres still a long stretch to cover, but the path is much less curvy and mostly downhill.
What I want to post today is what we got the boss for Christmas. We've had the '54 out front for awhile but with no real sign. Mike made the fancy bracket, and while boss was off doing wifey stuff we put the sign in place. Caught him completely off guard when he passed by later in the day! :idea: :!: :arrow:
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I have blocked out the contact info to avoid this being percieved as advertising. The sign is just another neat idea by Mike. 8)
Looks good!
Finished up getting doors blastworthy. Ready to take the other quarter off.
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These are for the rust belt guts. New meat-
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Thats seriously cherry. But scope out the CEL, it looks like one.
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I had a young one clamp up the Cobra, he was just getting started here-
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Gary drove up to Joplin for a Chevy HiPerformance shoot Saturday. These are from his phone, the photographer liked how the paint photographed, he says. I think its cool any way you slice it.
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The owner must love Model A's because given all the labor costs, I think he could have a new United Pacific steel '32 coupe body on a new '32 chassis.
Quote from: "rumrumm"The owner must love Model A's because given all the labor costs, I think he could have a new United Pacific steel '32 coupe body on a new '32 chassis.
And got change :!: :!: :lol: :lol:
Bob... :wink:
but it wouldnt be grandpas old car . I think thats what this build started with and why they stayed with this body . Sentimental value over any other reasoning .
If its killing you....
psst....
Don't click here anymore. :idea: :!:
I MAKE BURGER PAY! Ok? :roll:
Lets just kill it and coast a spell then. Rusty stuff went to sandblaster. Merry Christmas, guys.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"If its killing you....
psst....
Don't click here anymore. :idea: :!:
I MAKE BURGER PAY! Ok? :roll:
Lets just kill it and coast a spell then. Rusty stuff went to sandblaster. Merry Christmas, guys.
Not killing me, Matt. Enjoy watching you work your magic! You deserve more than burger pay for what you do. Merry Christmas!
Quote from: "rumrumm"Quote from: "idrivejunk"If its killing you....
psst....
Don't click here anymore. :idea: :!:
I MAKE BURGER PAY! Ok? :roll:
Lets just kill it and coast a spell then. Rusty stuff went to sandblaster. Merry Christmas, guys.
Not killing me, Matt. Enjoy watching you work your magic! You deserve more than burger pay for what you do. Merry Christmas!
I agree with Rum-Rum Matt ....You are showing a part of Model A's that we never knew existed ...AND...It's neat to see something get repaired & brought back to life like you are doing ... 8)
Do you still do sandblasting "In House" or is it sublet to another shop ???
Bob .. :wink:
Sorry bout that, gents. I get snippy in a hurry when price comes up, plus yesterday ran too long after work so I was edgy. Dang, its a good thing I have interesting content or I wouldn't be worth a flip as a forum dude. You've seen how I act a dozen times and well at least I am aware of it.
Anyhow, nah we send out the blasting. To a place formerly known as "blank" street rods that is now blank media blasting. They know how it is. :wink: Remember the green 31 or the 55 Chevy pickup? Them.
Comparing a new UP steel body and new 32 frame ain't exactly apples to oranges here either!
I will catch up on pics, they are only marginally intriguing but with quarters off it begins to become apparent where my background lies... in unibody structure. What I am excited about getting to flip wigs with later is the inner sheetmetal because I don't think a soul can visualize it.
What I also like to see is when you tear apart an old "repair" and a person gets to see what happens behind the patch as time wears on . Seeing the repairs needed after poorly done repairs makes me think about what will happen with a patch job . I know I have tried to do stuff that I would not have attempted before you started showing us your daily grind . Thanks for all you do .
Thanks for the kind words. 8) Would you believe me if I said tubing can be a challenge? I sincerely have no idea how this looks to anyone but me... the cage-ish thing I built. What I don't know is if anyone else uses rectangular tubing for this sort of thing. I am like the cave fish of fab and have no idea what a more seasoned fab man might do here. I'm doing the A, and did the Cat... just the only way I could see fit at the time. I find the odd intersections I end up with undesireable but err to the rigid side when I see a hotspot for flex. I guess what I'm saying is: You guys who built a chassis or cage or two please point out any major oversight in structural integrity as I go along please. I'm not going for a rollcage but if there are simpler, cleaner ways that you're up to explaining or have a good link to an example of... I should look.
I'm not very confident that others would use rectangle tubing. Right or wrong? Pros, cons? :?: Active auto fab sites?
Stand by for a revealing round of pictures. I am a puppy welding thick metal. I am more used to thick air and am just starting to develop a feel for prep and settings and how-to. Hopefully some degree of advancement will be evident, in spots. Nothing sketchy. :arrow:
Once I had the doors ready for our friends at the local rod-friendly media blasting establishment, I set them aside.
Knowing I could spend a couple more days on the quarters'door jambs, welding...nand knowing the boss and broom man would be popping into my stall to haul away my children. I felt like a parent on a first school day, never ready enough. Chasing the bus down the street shouting instructions, etc.
Feverishly, I raced across the tightrope of warpage vs can I finish. Alas, with only one vertical seam done... the bus came. At least I sent one quarter away warm, tacking the weatherstrip extension with speed that would have made Marshall Dillon proud as the other parts were loaded up. In a thrash, I did all I could do...
Got these tabs onto the rear window panel more gooder, trimmed them to match up.
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I bet you men are familiar with this scenario- Great fun times are had but then over in a flash, everybody leaves in a flurry of hubub and love and then
:shock: Its just me and this mess. :cry:
I bet I am the only bodyman you know who gets separation anxiety like a dog. :roll:
Came back inside the empty nest, went um. Started grinding something or something, lost.
Clean! :idea: :D Yeah!
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AH :!: Now I can swagger around like Barney Fife with a bullet in, and look it over to see whats really next :) :arrow:
I can just picture Deputy Fife whacking this with a night stick and pointing out to visitors that "Here we have our maximum security cell"... :lol:
Boy I better finish quick, jokes are goin downhill. Needing my black and white era fix.
Start here. Left B pillar and the wierd shaped C pillar intersection outside piece is extry thick stuf so's I could grind the bejeepers out of it. Can't have any bejeepers sticking out. I don't plan to do any significant grinding beyond about what you see, slag and slop removal only. Again, nobody is pretending this is a rollcage. I think its fairly adequate perhaps, for what it is.
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Behind and below driver qtr window-
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Other side, so far-
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Also found on road dead was the Envy Green Bronco. A hub (untouched by us mind you) came apart on the shakedown. This is the one that picked the day I was welding on the roof to rot through the gas line. Its a hum ding danger yep. But sharp.
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Boss wanted me to call a roof skin vs other cab r'kwik... You ever pick up an LMC Ford book and see a sharp '67 in blue? Barn found by a tornado.
For those with no IDJ decoder ring: This thing had a barn fall on it. Super nice truck and like two things escaped damage. Another hum dinger like the other danger dagnabbit. Fetch me the Winchester, Emma! I'm ridin' for Red Rock!
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Sounded like we'pl be fixing that hood. Thats all I have for now. I need to stare at the Pontiacs tatooed inside my eyelids fer a spell.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Thanks for the kind words. 8) Would you believe me if I said tubing can be a challenge? I sincerely have no idea how this looks to anyone but me... the cage-ish thing I built. What I don't know is if anyone else uses rectangular tubing for this sort of thing. I am like the cave fish of fab and have no idea what a more seasoned fab man might do here. I'm doing the A, and did the Cat... just the only way I could see fit at the time. I find the odd intersections I end up with undesireable but err to the rigid side when I see a hotspot for flex. I guess what I'm saying is: You guys who built a chassis or cage or two please point out any major oversight in structural integrity as I go along please. I'm not going for a rollcage but if there are simpler, cleaner ways that you're up to explaining or have a good link to an example of... I should look.
I'm not very confident that others would use rectangle tubing. Right or wrong? Pros, cons? :?: Active auto fab sites?
Stand by for a revealing round of pictures. I am a puppy welding thick metal. I am more used to thick air and am just starting to develop a feel for prep and settings and how-to. Hopefully some degree of advancement will be evident, in spots. Nothing sketchy. :arrow:
here is a link to a blog of a guy doing an A coupe and how I did my sons roadster
http://kustom351.blogspot.com/2011/02/steel-out.html
my sons
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how it looks now
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there is no right or wrong way as long as it's safe ,love your work Matt cheers
The blue f100 almost looked familiar. :) Have way around the world and very similar ideas. :)
Quote from: "chris spokes"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Thanks for the kind words. 8) Would you believe me if I said tubing can be a challenge? I sincerely have no idea how this looks to anyone but me... the cage-ish thing I built. What I don't know is if anyone else uses rectangular tubing for this sort of thing. I am like the cave fish of fab and have no idea what a more seasoned fab man might do here. I'm doing the A, and did the Cat... just the only way I could see fit at the time. I find the odd intersections I end up with undesireable but err to the rigid side when I see a hotspot for flex. I guess what I'm saying is: You guys who built a chassis or cage or two please point out any major oversight in structural integrity as I go along please. I'm not going for a rollcage but if there are simpler, cleaner ways that you're up to explaining or have a good link to an example of... I should look.
I'm not very confident that others would use rectangle tubing. Right or wrong? Pros, cons? :?: Active auto fab sites?
Stand by for a revealing round of pictures. I am a puppy welding thick metal. I am more used to thick air and am just starting to develop a feel for prep and settings and how-to. Hopefully some degree of advancement will be evident, in spots. Nothing sketchy. :arrow:
here is a link to a blog of a guy doing an A coupe and how I did my sons roadster
http://kustom351.blogspot.com/2011/02/steel-out.html
my sons
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how it looks now
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there is no right or wrong way as long as it's safe ,love your work Matt cheers
Thank you sir! That is among the top five most helpful posts of the year. Great stuff, much obliged! I had a go at bending heavy gauge 1x2 in a press today and concluded the same thing as seen in those pics is the solution. Slices, like the Catalina over-the-axle humps. Excellent, and I can see I'm within the "adequate, normal" parameters on tubing and welding fuss. Nice stuff, thanks for posting. :)
Quote from: "kb426"The blue f100 almost looked familiar. :) Have way around the world and very similar ideas. :)
I knew that you knew that I knew we'd all see the paralells. Its a beaut! 8)
Wonder if it has a minty but scuffed grille. :idea:
These may be the last Model A pics of the year. :cry: Tony, this is normal ebb/flow type stuff. Really doesn't bother me. I do it on autopilot. But its a gear change from glory gravy like I'm spoiled on so bad now. I imagine Model A guy needs a wallet vacation. ;)
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But there shall be no escape from Ford country-
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Giving the Cobra a little heave-ho there. Whoa before you heave at the donor car. :shock:
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Of course its the car you buy for the rear body that has to be that way. Salute to Joe for doing hazatd duty.
There are people that live in their car. :)
There are those who choose to live in squalor. :)
Then theres me, working half a day just to save a quarter-
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More fresh meat for somebody-
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There's a guy on pro-touring.com that has been rebuilding early mustang fastbacks from virtually nothing. The owner of one has said that he will have around 13 grand when it's ready to go to the paint shop versus 16 grand for a new one. It appears having the original vin is the motivating force. All that guy does is that generation of Mustangs. He's not as interesting to watch as the Chop Shop. :)
Quote from: "kb426"There's a guy on pro-touring.com that has been rebuilding early mustang fastbacks from virtually nothing. The owner of one has said that he will have around 13 grand when it's ready to go to the paint shop versus 16 grand for a new one. It appears having the original vin is the motivating force. All that guy does is that generation of Mustangs. He's not as interesting to watch as the Chop Shop. :)
Theres a born fastback on death row at the shop. Gary ought to get in touch if it has a title.
Hey, come to think of it there was a chop in all that Model A business wasn't there? :idea:
65 fastback was my high school car and first drag car. :D :D :D the lines of a 65 fastback still give me goosebumps
Quote from: "chimp koose"65 fastback was my high school car and first drag car. :D :D :D the lines of a 65 fastback still give me goosebumps
Cool 8)
Its tough to put your finger on, something about how the quarters visually become fins maybe... but yes... fastback Mustang lines are one of the happy flukes which have potential to be a hit, that can happen when you try hard to be creative. The 69 GP is also handsome from the angle shown in the top pic but defies definition. I just know I like it. Gives Dad goosebumps. Whatever the fastback eye magic is, it works and my top pic captured it. Looking at car bodies in varied dull dark finishes sans trim is often more fun to me than seeing them dressed out. The 59 Catalina is another one that really catches the eye as a bare body in black. The model A, believe it or not, is one I have not tried to visualize done.
mine made it into national dragster in July of 83. I was runner up at a big event . Never got a copy of that nat dragster but have a picture of the page somewhere
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Heres how the Cobra sits, I cleaned up the car side and started trying to wiggle the panel in. Since then, I decided to separate the donor quarter piece from the tail panel. I'm at that point where the dirty work is done. :)
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More Model A action next year...
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Quarter pooched out in the middle on top pic, not on bottom pic-
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Side gap also happy. It had been tighter where the buckle was. Dead blow on 2x4 did all this. Only one finger was swatted.
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Hatch gap at roof mostly OK but right corner is wide, left is tight. Theres a shim under the left hinge to raise it and the right sits high by about that much, might have to massage more on either the hatch lip or hinge pad to make it real nice.
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Then I cut the face off my little quarter section, opting for a corner weld-
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Absolutely spellbinding internet content, ain't it? :roll:
:lol:
Having welder withdrawals at this point, but its a'coming. :wink: :arrow:
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Absolutely spellbinding internet content, ain't it? :roll:
You Betcha. Great stuff there.
Wish I had a spare tail panel for the Torino. I looked for over a year and all I found was "Rust Free" JUNK.
Quote from: "416Ford"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Absolutely spellbinding internet content, ain't it? :roll:
You Betcha. Great stuff there.
Wish I had a spare tail panel for the Torino. I looked for over a year and all I found was "Rust Free" JUNK.
I wish you did, too. Dig that car, man. You done knocked some hard parts of it out though. The panel savior dance is unmerciful. Spurs creativity at times though, in speech and everything. :(D)
Me and the red snake here ain't had a bad honk. Its just not my bag anymore, fixing wrecks. Let alone the dreaded near-totaled salvage parts sideshow. When I did fix wrecks, computerized measuring was everything to me and I split hairs on perfect new junk so its the anti of what I tried to represent as a late model and luxury insurance paid collision man.
Ack, that sounded lucid. Must insert more poppycock...
:lol:
The gutter was last thing and I don't call any of this quite finished. But a half Friday ought to see it through my part. Hoping. :)
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Dad's Model A, around 1953. He finally dug up pics and for me, they are sentimental heavyweights. He has always told me I come by "it" honest... the affection for cars.
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^^^^^
The real deal! :)
What would you do if that car showed up in your shop for a restoration !?? :shock:
Flip my wig! :D Then settle into a sentimental coma. :?:
Further ado prevails... I started fixing rockers on that Blazer shown a few posts back. But tomorrow I''ll need to go back to the Cobra and manipulate hatch gaps until its at a point where another guy can take over. Not there yet, I am told. :roll:
The Blazer is a really non-rusty specimen so I am doing relatively small and simple repairs just at the existing corrosion hotspots. It needs the same repair on the other side.
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Quote from: "kb426"^^^^^
The real deal! :)
That is as genuine as it gets. Him and his buddy flipped their intakes and used downdraft carbs with accelerator pumps for better "out the hole".
Correct me if I am wrong, but that.... is a hot rod. :D 8) 8) 8) );b( ~:) :P>
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "kb426"^^^^^
The real deal! :)
That is as genuine as it gets. Him and his buddy flipped their intakes and used downdraft carbs with accelerator pumps for better "out the hole".
Correct me if I am wrong, but that.... is a hot rod. :D 8) 8) 8) );b( ~:) :P>
That IS the perfect "Hot Rod" .... 8)
Only one response that I can give that photo ......
Bob... :wink:
Thank you, Bob. Couldn't have said it better myself. :D Also the perfect Dad. He is the greatest!
Heres how the Chevy is going-
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I have some other pics for you too... Ford stuff.
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Footloose is carrying the torch on the Cobra. I spent half of yesterday finessing hatch gaps.
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I might get to make stuff for this, if I can outdo zip ties:
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Hey Matt ....Not to be picky ...Just a heads up....It looks like the repair parts being used on that new Mustang are a shade or two off... :? They seem to be a little darker than the than the car :?: :?: :roll:
I just thought you should know.... :idea:
Bob.. :wink:
I always said you have an eye for the Bobvious. Just one though. :wink:
Fact is, the man had a 20% coupon for two-tone. We figure if the top is one side, and the front... then the sides are sides... so the rear is twenty percent. I know, I know... fine print. :roll:
:lol:
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I plan to spend half of tomorrow on my rolly stool wrapping up the outer. That kick panel got me all topsy-turvy.
:?
Stand by as I hop the brand fence :arrow:
Orange you tempted? Thats the late model Vette color on this fiberglass early Bronco body.
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The red one-
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Oh, and...
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THOSE! :D
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:D :!: :arrow:
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Holy side job, Batman! :shock: I am set to resume Model A work in the AM. Glory be. Here are some of today's task to tide you over. Its a VW bug. :)
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jeez you make that look easy! We all know its not . Nice work on the bug
Variety is good. :)
Thanks for the kind words, gents. Its been an adventure this week, I've been the only bodyman who showed up. One has the flu. I enjoy a job mix, and try to do all I can when we are shorthanded. There hasn't been a slow winter since I've been there but it wasn't always that way. :)
There was good access behind the bug quarter and that always helps.
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It kinda looks like you are not the first person to visit that area .. :shock: Unless VW is using plastic filler to repair assembly line "mis-haps".. :roll: :roll:
Bob.. :wink:
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"It kinda looks like you are not the first person to visit that area .. :shock: Unless VW is using plastic filler to repair assembly line "mis-haps".. :roll: :roll:
Bob.. :wink:
Good eye! :wink: Yessir, toward the bottom rear there is an unfortunately overworked previous repair. It is an oil can... of worms and has been duly bypassed since this is insurance work. Fortunately, I believe the whole mess will bury as-is. Boss may choose to make the owner aware, plans could change.. I backed away. :idea: :-} :arrow:
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I'm over here now, picking right up where I left off...
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Today I averaged around one yard of weld per hour, grinding one side. Jambs welded to quarters, backside smoothed. Sample spot on face. Hello, sweet monotony.
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3 coats poly here, and a couple of the big spoiler bolt holes in the hatch shell are in the wrong place and not covered by the trim panel. Nifty.
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The mustang owner will be pleased when this is finished. He should be happy it didn't sit in a corner for months before being worked on. :) Will the painter make the rest of the paint look not so good? Is it scheduled for a complete repaint?
Quote from: "kb426"The mustang owner will be pleased when this is finished. He should be happy it didn't sit in a corner for months before being worked on. :) Will the painter make the rest of the paint look not so good? Is it scheduled for a complete repaint?
At least some of the car has our paint on it already so match might be a snap. Last I knew, driver's door is the only blend panel so the front clip plus right door get nothing. I don't think I showed how the steering wheel is bent but to me it looks like it needs a column.
Welds ground on door jamb face side, R qtr-
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Straightening / planishing, R qtr at patch-
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Still doing stuff to finish out that patch and quarter. Meanwhile:
Braces made from cut 14 ga 1x2" in top pic attach to door shell and fit closely against the skin-
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This pic is from the wondow motor's eye view, looking up inside the door. Ignore the missing section of window channel. One brace is laying in the foreground, the other is loosely clamped in place, tucked into the body line, but that position may end up lower. I plan to use one per door, and with dabs or beads of sealer on the face of the brace to support the skin. The idea is to not only stiffen the door but also provide a greater degree of impact absorption in the event of a collision.
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Speaking of collision, final primer on the younger Ford shown here-
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I wanted to drop this pic of Dad's real deal biz coupe someplace, and my current variety thread here works. Grandma was a bigwig at the revenue office but he had to pay a four dollar fine to get the tag number out of sequence or something.
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Right quarter, trimmed along bottom now-
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Welded split in body line below window and tab at top right. Other recent work also visible.
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Inside qtr, at rear tip. See missing flange for tail panel. Have scrap selected and clean for patch there. Note previous patch at bottom as spare tire panel flange, now with pie cuts welded and joint ground.
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Flip it over. This is the outside of the same area, finished plus with three nearby holes welded which appeared after blasting.
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Another fine mess, damage along the beaded top edge of the panel at the trunk gap. Tail panel flange will be fixed after this is satisfactory.
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So far, so good. Heres a dimly lit epoxy shot of the Blazer rocker before it gets too dusty.
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I have concluded, after giving it a noble effort, that I'll need to do surgery on the face of that quarter to get an even bead width at the trunk. I have sliced and diced enough to get a decently straight inner edge. Now its hanging on the body frame until I take the doors to the next stage and get back where I was with doors and quarters lining up. Then I can nail down the trunk. Heres some pics from that front-
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Today I got started tying up loose ends to skin a door. You can see that the outer skin brace landed at the latch height, and that the door bottom panel is too wide. Which beats too short, for sure.
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Trying to decide whether to butt the long cut there or leave a small overlap and put beads on the inside. What would you do? As a hobbyist, I'd butt it. Leaning toward overlap.
what I would do is leave a 5 mm (quarter inch) lip and use my stepping tool to make a recess and over lap it so you end up with a flat bottom 8)
Quote from: "chris spokes"what I would do is leave a 5 mm (quarter inch) lip and use my stepping tool to make a recess and over lap it so you end up with a flat bottom 8)
I sure would have stepped it but there wasn't 5mm to overlap. Boss liked this simpler alternative, and whats there may bridge with poly primer. If not, a scrape of seam sealer then urethane primer after that... just like it would need if it were stepped. :idea: :arrow:
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Next up... upper door skin issues :arrow:
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End of a day. :) Around this time next week, I'll get going on the tornado damaged 67 F100 roof. I better hurry, huh? :?: :-}
you do good work Matt 8)
Thank you Chris. 8) :)
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Just getting started folding that. You see how the top edge of that right door skin looks wavy? Left side was that way also, maybe more so. I did not fret over it, just started tacking in the center and worked my way outward evenly. The skin could still float at the edges since they are not yet tacked to the skin. Note also that I am doing the butt weld with the door on the car and closed. That is on purpose. If done with the door horizontal on a stand, heat traveling upward goes into the lower skin which has less resistance to warpage than the upper skin since the body line is stamped right next to the edge. Add to that gravity, which can't pull a low spot in the weld while its hot because the panel is vertical... and I am having no drama with it.
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I never would have thought about welding and warpage vs vertical or horizontal position and I have been welding for quite a few years . You learn something every day !Thanks , I think I need to experiment
Quote from: "chimp koose"I never would have thought about welding and warpage vs vertical or horizontal position and I have been welding for quite a few years . You learn something every day !Thanks , I think I need to experiment
Glad you were able to get what I meant, I see where I called the shell the skin once. :roll:
I have seen guys really struggle with crowned old car door skin patchwork with them laying on a stand. The crown just won't stay while they weld the face of the metal because the backside stays cooler... because heat rises. Think about how you shrink a high spot but in reverse. Heating one side bends it. Welding with low heat so as not to burn through doesn't help. The vertical approach is a lesser evil becase heat wicks up the panel rather than staying concentrated at the crown of the weld or traveling out into the highest, unsupported area.
No idea why I stopped to explain but now am glad I did. Have not had an opportunity to skin many doors, those usually go to other guys. This is just an instinct that I happened to share. Like seeing a guy fighting high spots in the middle of a hood while its on a single parts stand, doing welds like this horizontal is something I have trouble walking past but everyone finds their own ways. Having the door on and shut also assures that the skin and shell have "floated" to their desired relative positions before tacking. After the long weld, then I'll open the door and tack skin edges to shell.
As I said, I'm not encountering big trouble yet. But, the left skin so far has tended to flatten out as I've welded, and I have been keeping a close eye on the lower skin's crown out in the center. Slapping farther out toward the perimeter and corners has helped to keep the gentle crown of the skin face that goes away somewhat after crimping the edges and so far the panel skin as a whole has nice tension going.
By the way, the doors are fairly heavy now. ALMOST like a Pontiac. :lol: I can't wait to thump one shut with all the stuff hung and weatherstrip and glass and all. Should feel like... a much newer car. :D
Bob, enjoy the dots. 8)
CK, if you do an experiment I would like to hear what is learned from it. Feedback has become extremely rare and I forget people are watching. Let's learn together. :)
I need to replace the bottom 4" of the drivers door on my T. Before your post I would have surely welded it up with the door laying flat on the floor and possibly the edges already folded . Now I will do it with the door hung in place and the edges bent to 90 but not folded . To avoid warping I have kept a compressed air blow nozzle near by and blasted air to cool my spot welds . I just keep spot welding and skipping around in an organized pattern to keep from getting a warp . my spot welds show penetration through the back of the panel . Come to think of it the last panel I did was the drivers rear 1/4 panel , the bottom 4" . I did that while the car was sitting upright like you are doing the door and I had no waves . The only issue I had with that repair is that the weld pulled slightly inward so that I have a horizontal inward dip along the weld . That dip should be easy to fix with a lick of bondo . Keep reporting the little stuff ! Its details like this that seem minor to you but can make a job way better for someone like me . :D
Hey Matt ....Remember ....We may not say anything, BUT.... :shock: We ARE watching youuuuuuuuuuuu........ :lol: 8) ~:) :b-d:
Bob.... :wink:
Quote from: "chimp koose"I need to replace the bottom 4" of the drivers door on my T. Before your post I would have surely welded it up with the door laying flat on the floor and possibly the edges already folded . Now I will do it with the door hung in place and the edges bent to 90 but not folded . To avoid warping I have kept a compressed air blow nozzle near by and blasted air to cool my spot welds . I just keep spot welding and skipping around in an organized pattern to keep from getting a warp . my spot welds show penetration through the back of the panel . Come to think of it the last panel I did was the drivers rear 1/4 panel , the bottom 4" . I did that while the car was sitting upright like you are doing the door and I had no waves . The only issue I had with that repair is that the weld pulled slightly inward so that I have a horizontal inward dip along the weld . That dip should be easy to fix with a lick of bondo . Keep reporting the little stuff ! Its details like this that seem minor to you but can make a job way better for someone like me . :D
Now this is wierd, hadn't thought about it but on the quarter patches on those two X-framed boats I just did, I left the plug weld row just screwed while I welded the butt at the top. You leave the skin flange not folded in, I folded first and let the top overlap until last. Hmm. Not sure why I do that. But, those long vertical panels with horizontal welds don't seem terribly troublesome. Maybe we've stumbled onto why hood patching always caves in. Maybe stand it up to weld? :idea:
Good rodder thought fodder for pondering.
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Hey Matt ....Remember ....We may not say anything, BUT.... :shock: We ARE watching youuuuuuuuuuuu........ :lol: 8) ~:) :b-d:
Bob.... :wink:
I should do a black and white episode now and then so's you-all would feel more at home. :shock:
:lol: 8) :idea:
I thought I saw the eyes move on that antique portrait. :? :wink:
Just for that, Bob... you get a story. Yer duuuurn tootin'! Yessireee, Bob! :lol:
Thats my best Gabby Hayes. :D
Serious, I was watching my nightly dose of Hopalong, and California had found a dead man's note that his illiterate self couldn't read. Hoppy was sitting in the chair where the man was shot, trying to figure out how. Of course just in time, Hoppy takes the note to read it and it says "Watch the bull's head". A mounted bison head on the wall has wandering eyes and look out!!! A six-shooter hole, too! Kbang!
:lol:
Watch out for them shifty-eye bull heads at the shop... Check. :shock: :arrow: :-}
Heres the right door, edges folded and waiting for me to move the car and weld.
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Before lunch, lookin good on the left door-
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After lunch, open shop door and oh... body line. Consarn it. Half expected that. Later...
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I'll do whatever has to be done to my fabbed quarter patches. Don't believe I want to mess with the door-
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This was the worst looking pic-
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These, I think, show that the plan worked. There was plenty of slapper work on it but right now this looks great to me. :)
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Only us over-the-hill guys showed up today so I didn't fuss with moving the car or setting the body on a dolly. Figured the time was right for digging into a cowl side. So among other little things, thats what I did.
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Still taking shape but almost there... thats thick wall 1x2 tubing-
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The prefab patch seems a little long, and it didn't have the reversed contour at the top. A little massaging and screwing then hell she's in the kitchen fixing me bacon. Hey... :shock: Woops. :oops: What I meant to say is the patch... she laid right down after a bit of man-handling. :? Oh, boy am I getting slideways here... better lift. :idea: :lol: :roll: :0-0
You know what I mean... it got ticklish when my slapper came out. And all. Ahem. Anyhow yep, here she is. She said the extra length is OK as long as the stud still lines up with the slot. For the cowl molding! Sheesh. :arrow:
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Noble students of the writings of IDJ may recall from distant times... discussions of shortening the cowl by the amount the pillars were spread to flush doors. At the rusty bead, under the molding. So there will be cutting at the front edge of the patch, which is shown lossely in place. These will be good to have done when I get it on a dolly and attack firewall. By the way, I scooted the cowl back to tighten the door gap back up before securing it. I had left some breathing room while the door work was transpiring. I think its going to look good. :D
Boy howdy, the cowl patch is putting up a bit of a fight. :shock: Imagine that! :roll: Metal is stamped pretty thin through here. Heres that brace with the other gusset in.
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Having to grind and straighten between each pass of tacks is laborious but so far so good. To spread my patience around, I am tending to other stuff I can reach also. I'll make a close fitting end for the rocker, and the current plan calls for laying another piece over the interior side of the A pillar that butts up to the cowl skin edge. Stay tuned for that one, it will eliminate the washers under the striker while we're at it. :)
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You can tell the amount of drama I am having by the number of stickers. The door skin looks way better I promise. I do try to be diligent about penetration. And at least scuffing the smoke off before pics.
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As it sits now... I know I'll need to add material at the front of the door a little ways down from the body line but I figured that would turn out better than moving the bend on the skin.
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Overall, I went around the whole door gap today tapping around to get the last of the flushness and gaps and I feel good about how its turning out. :)
The short work day got cut even shorter and I wasn't ready. Current state-
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Gap is a fairly consistent 1/4" around the door and I assure you it is reasonably flush. After fill and paint, I'd say it will end up with the desired 3/16".
Customer has expressed interest in a dash like a Mustang. Theres 10" width difference but the column location isn't off more than an inch according to this rough tracing of a '68 instrument panel. Tape at bottom is on right leg of column con rod. I formulated three mental options in case it comes up, if anyone is interested.
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I'm a fan of that dash but I haven't come up with a way that looks like it belongs there. I'm watching. :)
Why does it need to "belong"? The man is paying, he ought to get exactly what he came for. If thats a Mustang dash, I'll do what I can. :)
I am reminded of some old school black bodyman quotes I have collected over the years and kept in use:
"Hey... You want a carburetor on your quarter panel? Bring me six, I will put three carburetors on each quarter panel." That guy could fix anything, he was cool. He had 3 Buick Grand Nationals, a T-type, and a turbo Regal that were stolen all at once. Guess which one got driven through the wall first by the thieves. :shock:
This one, I know you'll enjoy. I'm the 20 something white paint mixer guy trying to tell a man who has painted cars for 30 years that he needs to buy enamel reducer, not lacquer thinner. He is all like :roll: :roll: :roll: and says:
"Lookahere. If I stand right here and * on the floor, and you stand right there and * on the floor... its gonna run together and be yellow."
So yeah... like the three carbs...
If a guy is willing to bite the bullet and have an IDJ job done, he should get the thing he wished for. Honestly I was skeptical as well but the twin big round chrome bezels work in there somehow. To my eye. All it would take is a nudge for me to attempt a rendering. Mike is on board with the idea and I think throwing a little Mustang in here or there befits the Coyote mill. If we just did "classic and traditional restoration" not only would it be less exciting but the business probably wouldn't still be here. I think its nifty that theres a shop even just as "anything goes" as we are. Keep watching and we'll pry your minds open one way or the other! ;)
Not debating but yes offering discussion and thanks, KB. Rodders need fodder. :lol: That was the comedy monologue. Stay tuned for our featured repair and guest segment, coming right up. :arrow:
I was able to avoid adding material to the front edge of the door to correct gap at about the top half of the new skin by planishing the * out of the folded edge. Beating it thinner so it sticks out into the gap more. Dang if it wasn't juuust enough. :)
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These angles are to show that... glory be... there is a flowing body line to be had. Thats a relief!
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Wanna see inside?
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That ought to do ya, on driver's door pics. For now. Side B is underway-
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I rate those door skins pretty fair but a novice might have nightmares. Kids, try this at home. :idea:
I also thought up an idea for the gas fill but failed to get a pic. Thats OK, I'll feed these non-traditional aspects to you slow. :)
Now for things that blaze or wear saddles-
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The parts and this fastback must be from different dimensions. First the wheelhouse dance and now... whoever made that quarter, their press hits like a girl. :roll: :lol:
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Are the red Vice-grips so you know who they belong to? :lol:
Are you going to do anything with the front end of the belt molding on the quarter so it matches the door gap better?
Quote from: "enjenjo"Are the red Vice-grips so you know who they belong to? :lol:
Are you going to do anything with the front end of the belt molding on the quarter so it matches the door gap better?
Either that or a rattle bomb was punctured. :lol:
Haven't thought much about sharpening up the end of the belt, but the radius is enlarged there and would look best if I slice bend weld it to more closely resemble the front. In theory... no big whoopie. I am aware of it but haven't addressed it because I haven't been sure if it was outside bondo range. Prolly is, just a bit. Good eye, good Q. Keep on watching.
Thanks for stopping in. :)
Don't look to hard at the door gap, both quarter and cowl are not connected at the bottom.
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That skin seam is good to go but boy, that smaller lower body line needs some help now. I didn't pick up on that but from a foot away but sure can see it in the pics. I can reach the area somewhat but exerting much force is tough. The trick is since you gotta have hands doing stuff on both sides of the door skin, you can't get the eyeball angle you need. So that could be laborious bringing it into the mudable realm. I probably am somewhat responsible because of being mean to it getting the weld area ironed out and also my handle shave patch needs more grinding in the groove at the edge but yeah... it could probably be "paved" right now but I'm not done yet.
Here are a couple shots from during the process-
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I had already moved on to the cowl, working toward firewall-
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Turned the .030 wire'd welder over to Longhair for his big long butt- :lol:
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Woops almost forgot to show you my gas flap proposition-
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Life cereal moved the cat's butler to stuff the rack tight between crank pulley and balancer-
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How many threads is that nut on there? :D
Theres a new man, I hear he was a dealer tech... working on a bellybutton LS swap into a round S10. Painter put the red Cobra together with new carpet but its incomplete as in no latch yet for a gap pic. Paint came out nice but there was a re- clearing due to defects. Shhh! Anyway he has moved to teardown on the blue Ford pickup, for my roof job. I spotted something on that the other day that might throw a curveball at replacing the roof skin.
I say that to build suspense and pique interest. :) Because its coming... :arrow:
It may not look like it but I've been trying to sprint on this leg of the A job before starting on the truck. I am almost at a good point to turn it over to Mike for the next stage of plotting plumbing and such. Man. Its a non-stop bop at the shop.
It looks like your buddy lost his shirt on that Mustang job...... :shock: :? :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
That sure beats losing this- :)(
:shock: :)S( :-} :ha)
The today version... we swapped welders and I got to cuss for the day. :roll:
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Coming attraction-
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Much wheelspin today, didn't hook til a thousand feet. Turns out the firewall end of the cowl had some twist. A significant amount but pallet wood was enough leverage to correct. No degradation of cabin fit noted, but I would not be suprised if alterations to the structure are needed to re-establish a valid center line that jives with where the body shell ends up. The rocker jambs aren't symmetrical and that concerns me but not greatly yet.
While spending the whole morning positioning the front bottom corner of the cowl, I noted that some distortion possibly resulting in a rake variance side-to side has occurred. Such is to be expected via the approach taken, and it was. I am not suprised or upset, perhaps a little swing-and-miss feeling vs a formidable opponent. No worries, I dont skip past those type things unless I'm packing a solution that works later. Didn't touch that door today, I am racing to make the thing a unit before the 67 truck is fully prepped for surgery and the donor is on my silver platter with matching table spoon and somebody to work it for me. :D
Minimal visible progress but I was standing there with the firewall in one hand and cutoff wheel in the other when Pontiac time came. (4:55)
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65 66 fastbacks were the prettiest mustangs ever . please keep us up to date on that one :)
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Guys, today I saw my tax preparer and well, thats it. I am done for. Obamacare destroyed me despite my best efforts. I don't know what so say, still in disbelief and failing to grasp how I deserve to be extinguished when I seem healthy and am doing fine on the job. Don't pity me but step wide, gents. Fair warning and nuff said. Off to have a head-in-hands sob to kick off the weekend. :arrow: :cry: :cry: :cry: :evil:
Quote from: "kb426"I'm a fan of that dash but I haven't come up with a way that looks like it belongs there. I'm watching. :)
Hows this messy napkin sketch grab you? The proportions have an approximate foundation in reality. Does this help? I'm listening. Anyone?
Art critics... have mercy. :) Strike me down if this is blasphemy. I figure someone has done it already.
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looks ok but for one proportion , the windshield is flush with the door frame so the dash will fit farther into the car than your drawing shows . I would also put the eyebrows of the dash level with the bottoms of the door glass . I wonder what a 65 ford truck dash might look like in there . Since it has no upholstery it could be finished in a metalflake the same shade as the rest of the car ! 8)
Quote from: "chimp koose"looks ok but for one proportion , the windshield is flush with the door frame so the dash will fit farther into the car than your drawing shows . I would also put the eyebrows of the dash level with the bottoms of the door glass . I wonder what a 65 ford truck dash might look like in there . Since it has no upholstery it could be finished in a metalflake the same shade as the rest of the car ! 8)
Its not an altered stock dash, but custom from scratch with the exception of heater controls and tach/speedo bezels. The rear vertical face of the A pillar is not flush with the windshield. Locating the eyebrows at the level of the bottom of the door glass would expose the full width of the arched top of the A dash and I don't want that. The owner never mentioned wanting a truck dash.
I have set some cardboard aside to make a mock up dash pad with. Doing the drawing at home on my time is so I don't squander paid minutes doing so if its just going to look bad.
with custom from scratch you could do some neat stuff . I did a custom dash from scratch on my anglia . I think I have pictures on photobucket under chimpkoose . I always liked the style of heater controls on early mustangs .
I figure it will end up with some sort of sticky-outy dash pad but thats it.
8) 8)
I think you are going to find it is much tighter than your drawing indicates when it is all said and done. It is surprising how much room the seats take up in a coupe body. I've had a '29 and now have a '32 so I know about these space issues.
What goes in the car will not be whats in the drawing.
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Also slapped out some bolt tightening warpage on the cowl top and had the right quarter and door off to fix a couple minor issues on the right lower door hinge.
Guy working on the Mustang has switched to the VW.
Today was as good as yesterday was bad. First thing I got a lighting upgrade in the stall, then I completed rust repairs on the A. Then the customer visited and sheepishly I showed him my interior sketch. It was just what he was thinking. While I had the ball and boss was still out to lunch... I let him have the full raft of ideas logjammed in my head. Think I spewed them all but now another batch is brewing. Because durn near every suggestion I had was unanimously accepted. How the heck did that happen? :shock:
We have similar tastes, I reckon. With all due respect, tradition is not a factor on the build. Its a new car. But, it will look like a steel A with a Coyote hanging out.
Drip rail tuck, cowl molding shave, gas flap, bedded windshield, bobbed hood, hybrid deuce / A shell / grille, A tail light bezels shaped like upside-down Mustang backup lights, Dusenburg style exhaust... not sure what all else. But the vision he had Pfaff render is same as my mental pic, almost. I voted blackwalls. I was concerned about wind under the visor at speed and the rendering depicts a floating visor mounted like a close-fitting wing spoiler. I like that.
For being a good boy, I may get to stay on the A and only coach on the truck roof fix. So now comes the fun parts. I have enough info to get a firewall roughed in and thats what everyone wants to see, so I'm marking for cuts via CAD and getting a big enjoy from being at this stage. :D
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Quote from: "rumrumm"I think you are going to find it is much tighter than your drawing indicates when it is all said and done. It is surprising how much room the seats take up in a coupe body. I've had a '29 and now have a '32 so I know about these space issues.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"What goes in the car will not be whats in the drawing.
I must apologize and correct myself... the Mustang interior is a total go. I was not going to show the sketch to the owner and had trashed the Mustang instrument panel tracing. But everyone loved it. It was the owner's idea and I am glad I took the time. That encourages me to do more. Mike wants me to make the dash. I do too, but not really the instrument panel. We shall see.
The seating certainly will be wall-to-wall and elbow to elbow, Rummer. The driver's head (not a big big guy) is alongside the B pillar and comfort expectations are duly reduced. Especially if you are the stovepipe hat type. :wink:
Couple pics of first firewall stab, coming right up. :arrow:
2" behind the body mounting holes is where the chassis says the firewall goes. So I trim off the shag and set 'er up that way...
...and thar she blows-
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Um, thats as far as I got. Got sidetracked by windshield quandaries
This engine compartment is wired with a new product from NoSeeUm.
Just kidding, its bluetooth. Er, wait... it was Footloose what done it. :)
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This here 'un is a brown, round S-10. Reg cab four popper, decent but muddy. Strip-bound GM 383 going in there, and where do they sell hay bale fuel cell covers?
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Aw, look... its tonight's fabulous guest star... on the grille and in a couple glam shots I hadn't seen :D
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The first time I hit a bump with the carson-style top bolted on my '29 roadster, I learned very quickly to remove the button from the top of my cap! Ouch!!! LOL!
:ha)
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Well I made a wood, chopped windshield following the opening in the old frame. A magnet wouldn't stick to either one, so...
Would you rather see the frame used as an overlapping molding-
or-
Flush glass and metal with maybe a small rubber bead around it, then a small bead roller groove (or stepped and overlapped pieces for a groove) where the outside edge of the frame used to sit?
I think it needs a groove or seam to not look fiberglass :idea: or am I daydreaming in left field again :?: :idea: :arrow:
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Yeah I cut the flange spotwelds loose and flipped it around then dropped the beaded panel down near the fuel rail.
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Also cut the wall horizontally since this will all get shuffled around into toe boards and hidden compartments in the flat areas. Later. This morning I put the tunnel bend in the lower wall but that will probably become scrap. For now, its a reference.
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Newest side view. I could edit this angle but boy this is a busy background. :shock:
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Speaking of busy... just a peek around grey room projects. This is the donor roof for the blue truck-
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Blazer, Jimmy or whoever-
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Yep, caught a flat
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Its a mudbug! :lol: Not to be confused with crawfish.
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From your side shot it looks like the grille shell on the A sits higher than the cowl ? That would be a look you might not want . Maybe the shell is just propped up on something ? I am all eyes when it comes to how you trim out the windshield . I am needing ideas on how to finish it out as mine will be a glue in job as well . I am assuming the fixed position windshield will eliminate a lot of potential wind noise issues .
Yeah I don't have much of an idea where the grill ought to sit. Need to dig out the radiator. But theres no spacers at the moment, to hold the front of the body a little higher like the wood did. You aren't the first to notice. :wink:
I don't know how long until I'll get a smooth hood so this is just me getting a firewall in there to hold things steady as I do the windshield or move to quarters and trunk.
The windshield area is just about sketched out in my head... joggled strips around the glass, looking like a frame... its the outside perimeter I haven't quite decided. :? :?: :idea: :!: :D 8)
What's a Gora block :?:
Quote from: "enjenjo"What's a Gora block :?:
Goes under a Gora head. :lol:
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Heres how I made the joggle. Wish I'd had something a bit smaller in diameter. It was a matter of brake a little, flip, repeat... and on the third or fourth bite, I was able to put the rod in there for a partial effect. Bends don't get real tight on four foot wide 18 ga stuff with this brake. I can adjust it and get one bend a little tighter. But with the molding being used, this radius ought to do. The frame does lay flat on the floor but my woodshield is a little twisted. Not held in there perfect in the pix. Looks like cut n butt to install at least on the sides and bottom. :arrow:
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I gotta be honest now and say there was virtually no checking of anything during that process. Before I cut the corners I checked height of the opening at the ends and it matched. After all the weld n grind, I finally reversed the woodshield. The curve was still good but the ends were slightly asymmetrical. So I may need to cut one corner to perfect it but the molding would probably hide it. You might pick up on that in the pics but all I did was hang it in there wherever the clamps wanted to go so nothing is aligned just right.
How ya like my header stubs? ~:) All that will have to go through the fender.
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Spent the day fussing over the new outer windshield frame and cowl top before tacking them together in the center then screwing the frame back on where I established final position to be. Thats next. Don't feel as though I accomplished much today but what I did get done was critical-
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That blue panel from behind the old windshield frame is what the clamp is holding frame to cowl by, its bolted to the cowl now but will be unbolted after tacking then I'll lop off the whole mess of flanges and finish tacking with the assembly on the car. To make the edges meet then fill in the outside corners.
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Heres a bug primer shot. Stand by for a Mustang and Ford Truck roof post. :arrow:
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This was how I suggested doing the long seam at the rear of the roof, to avoid disturbing inner structure and minimize additional teardown
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The same tactic, or a sleeved joint just above the cab corner seam could be used. The rest is normal roof and I suggested that as long as the cab corners are welded and theres 3 or 4 good plug welds to the drip rail at the front seam, the rest could be bonded. I'd probably weld the drip raills though, and a new windshield is in order so why not the front also...
Of course four guys looked at it and solutions varied widely but I tried to look at it like the boss would :idea:
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Thats where I'll ditch the stud, trim the pillar, and make a piece to box the pillar and provide the second layer for that window bed.
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The cowl top still has the flange but I don't want to bolt it down to the dash and warp it since I'll probably connect that flange to tubing.
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Matt, what do you do with those crevices/pin holes? I am not a body man only a welder and I have been chasing those crevices and getting to much heat in the areas.
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Matt, what do you do with those crevices/pin holes? I am not a body man only a welder and I have been chasing those crevices and getting to much heat in the areas.
There are no holes there. I guarantee light will not pass through my welds. Meaning if a hole is found, I'll gladly eliminate it.. The weld seen above is one shot each, of welding and grinding. No touch ups yet because later opportunities for that will be abundant. Also, a complete absence of such spots is a quality level normally reserved for unpainted parts that are to be plated or polished. Customers are not interested in paying for a polishable panel when filler and paint will do, but a hobbyist is free to pursue their own ideal results.
To avoid the small unground spots, once no light passes through the ungrinded weld, continue welding to fill any spots that look to you as though there may not be enough material. Then grind, both sides if possible, and resume tacking until no light passes through and none of the unground spots need fill. Grind, repeat. To infinity, or the desired level of metal finish is achieved. You are correct, the time to take care of the spots is before you ever grind. Because once you've dressed the weld, metal thickness around it varies and that results in what you are experiencing.
Its my opinion that too much fuss is directed at making barely-there welds and I don't get why. Its like MIG wire is gold or something. Of course if you can fuse the metal with a torch or TIG, you won't have this problem. When you do have it and tiny zaps warp the bejeepers out of your workpiece, try welding from the other side, and keep a wet rag handy. The worst mistake is acting to correct warpage before the entire panel has cooled. Metal that hasn't been excessively worked might set off visual warpage alarns instantly, but never assume it won't return to where it was before the heat.
Also, try a lower metal thickness setting, smaller wire, or being ridiculously short and close together with trigger taps in extra-sensitive areas.
Today I positioned, trimmed, and tacked the roof front panel and revised one end of the cowl top panel's front flange to clear a hood. Then I cut and bent a 4' x 9" piece and clamped it where a wheelwell goes.
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This, according to my best reckoning... could work without much work. :shock: I am stoked, can I hear what you think? :?:
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Man, this thing is really starting to come together. It's going to be a stellar car.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"This, according to my best reckoning... could work without much work. :shock: I am stoked, can I hear what you think? :?:
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How are you going to allow for frame and motor mount flex? How are you going to facilitate installation? None of these are stoppers, but they will have to be taken care of to make it work.
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You know what a Marman clamp is? They make a leak proof exhaust joint. Invented by Zeppo Marx in the 1930s. It's a reliable connection that can be installed and removed multiple times.
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Quote from: "jaybee"Man, this thing is really starting to come together. It's going to be a stellar car.
I do see glimpses of light at the end of the tunnel but then I remember the roof insert and it seems farther off. Without a doubt, the crew will make it a star. They usually do.... once I finish. :roll: :arrow:
The job has been a challenge because I find that I have to bring the whole body along in stages, addressing intertwined issues in layers. Kind of like a camera coming into focus slowly. Can't really say "Doors done" or cowl done or trunk done and move on like I am accustomed to in doing repairs. Fab first then repair seems counterintuitive. But I can handle it all as long as the turbo kid doesn't get on my nerves too badly. :wink:
Quote from: "enjenjo"Quote from: "idrivejunk"This, according to my best reckoning... could work without much work. :shock: I am stoked, can I hear what you think? :?:
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How are you going to allow for frame and motor mount flex? How are you going to facilitate installation? None of these are stoppers, but they will have to be taken care of to make it work.
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You know what a Marman clamp is? They make a leak proof exhaust joint. Invented by Zeppo Marx in the 1930s. It's a reliable connection that can be installed and removed multiple times.
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Can I say "not my department"? :( I think I have probably read about those clamps. Flex joints seem to be Mike's go-to solution. The one barely visible in this Cat pic may just be for mock up but they have a favorite one that doesn't normally have issues. (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Gohqhsvz7Cs/XHWHkkWAQZI/AAAAAAAAFVY/_KqOz6UuU3QGsXxuvIgFQmSP_kyAi4M4ACEwYBhgL/s1600/20190226_103340.jpg)
Clamps... probably the good kind yeah, I just don't know. I do know all these questions and their answers will rise to the surface in due time, and that my objective is pretty much whats been referred to by racers as a "body, in white" if you know what I mean. All panels fitted and swinging but meant to be gutted from cowl to tail between rockers as soon as I can turn it loose.
That being said, I designed whats in the edited pic with the plan being to remove fender to remove header. The headers do not pass through the fender or apron in my design, the panels go around the tubes with adequate rattle room. I found this too difficult to illustrate for free due to the angles needed but by what references I have, it is feasible. I took one shot at sketching it just so I'd remember how I noodled it out. Going inside the rails is a severely snotty booger with the Coyote.
At the moment I am trying to establish if there are further steps I can take to complete the cowl sides, thats it. Heres a suggestion from a friend who saw the first hood side-
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Mike did say he will do everything in his power to see to it that I am the one who constructs the dash. He even dug out an old dash pad to cut up if needed. :)
My most bestest thing I wanted to know is do you-all think that bottom front corner of the cowl looks OK.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"The job has been a challenge because I find that I have to bring the whole body along in stages, addressing intertwined issues in layers. Kind of like a camera coming into focus slowly. Can't really say "Doors done" or cowl done or trunk done and move on like I am accustomed to in doing repairs. Fab first then repair seems counterintuitive.
Radical, extensive modifications are a whole tangle of complications, aren't they?
Thanks for the info on the welds Matt. I didn't want the body guy thinking I was leaving all kind of work for him that I should have been taking care of myself.
Metal shaping guys frown on even using MIG for sheetmetal. Its a matter of scale. Like you said, its only a matter of satisfying the person who works on it after you. Par ain't the same on every hole, for lack of a better analogy. :wink:
Jaybee, I am sure finding that out.
Can anyone see what I did to the cowl corner? If so, how offensive to traditionalists is it?
I think if I were to do anything different than what you have , it would be to match the lower edge of the hood sides to the angle of the valve covers . I think it would have a better 'flow ' of the visual lines . Also just to throw it out there , one long horizontal louver like found on a 36 chev might look tidier down the hood side .
Thats interesting. I had considered one bead there like above the louver panel on a stock hood side. Boss wanted to send both of those images to the owner. :)
Today for a moment I had the trunk lid up there just to peek at the right quarter tail section. Could be worse. Mighty rough.
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kind of overkill on the latch lock . The hole drilled thru pin would have to align with the rod going through it vertically and horizontally over quite a distance so alignment would get picky . How would you tighten the pin , they have been allen head on ones I have used . That would get drilled out in your set up . Nice clean setup as far as being out of sight but might be pretty hard to set up .
I am brewing another idea which will likely trump that one anyway. Mustang door lock knob right at the bottom front corner of the side window, being in control of a pin directly under it passing through the upper hinge tube at the hook bend in the hidden hinge. Its an idea in progress but the concept is liked. If I could use a Mustang door latch for the lock mechanism... well like I said... currently in development but considered nifty.
I am gonna have to just zip through tonight with little explanation, but please do ask away if the pics fall short of their thousand words.
Mostly on the A today, I deleted the redundant shelf area tube. Not needed, made corner pieces to the other bar. Other tubing will also disappear. Then I marked tubs at quarters, split differences in variations and matched tubs to one another and have one screwed in. Trunk lid pushes quarters left when closing but it won't be able to once the tubs are in. Spacing the quarter wheel openings evenly from the tub outer edges should start to set things right with the quarters.
Hood side edits based on inputs, sketch because I could hardly explain all that faster
Here goes :arrow:
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Another plumb tuckered out day and I am weary but encouraged. Having tubs in makes a world of difference. Several minor but elusive issues came to light as I sought symmetry and just like any other car, you reach a point where everything is where it goes. Enough so you can confidently repair whatever is left. Man, is that ever a load off my mind. All this tail end stuff is gonna work out. Mike convinced me that I can set body rake without a radiator. Obstacles have cleared out, I see enjoyable right-brain work ahead. :) :arrow:
This shot illustrates the hinge lock idea-
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I had already trimmed the quarter wheel opening lip short so this side is tacked in-
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I don't see why we can't plug weld rear fenders rather than use bolts. :idea:
There are issues with both the front trunk gutter and window panel patch area and the tail panel to lid contour, BUT the quarters look a whole lot less scary now-
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I was moving toward putting a fender on when somebody yelled epoxy-
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Footloose Jr done that. I doctored the passenger side of the cowl front flange to end hood interference-
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Much better!
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I am of a mind to see how many parts I can hang on that puppy how soon and get some wheels on there. So's we can all stare at it. :shock:
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Showed that mockup pic to my Dad yesterday and I couldn't help but share the top pic which he sent me this morning. Greatest before and after ever, if you ask me. Some kids rode horses to the first day of high school, but not him. 8)
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Had to bring this corner forward a little to fit the fender. See faint felt tip line.
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Better. Should pull tight with screws
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A couple screws are holding it at the top.
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I'll probably be shimming the cowl up a smidge.
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I think no hood sides is perfect!
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is there any chance the exhaust could go under the car behind the hood sides ? I think it cleans up the look if it is possible to do on a full fendered car .
Quote from: "chimp koose"is there any chance the exhaust could go under the car behind the hood sides ? I think it cleans up the look if it is possible to do on a full fendered car .
Mike wasn't very optimistic about routing it there. Motor mounts are badly in the way both sides with no good alternatives, starter blocks the right side, and brake master on the left farther back. All I've really done is to lay out an alternative, and it appears quite do-able. The over the rail choice I have been showing is not for looks but for practicality. The Coyote 5.0 is as wide as a 426 Hemi.
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I moved the A to get a look at it from behind and it reminded me of Wimpy, off Popeye.
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Determined most of that lopsidedness to be in the length of the patches at the rear tips of the quarters. I had misguesstimated based on the surviving material. So I sliced the flanges off and started evening things up. Still learning my way around lid adjustments.
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I tried the hinges outside the lid (shown here) but they are just too wide-
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These stop bolts are helping-
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Aw, maaan... this skin being off the flange is not-
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That was lunch. Have a different angle break-
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Is the headlight bar on right? :?:
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End of day-
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Removed two upright tubes. Two horizontals to go. Gradually, over some time, I decided all sheetmetal in the trunk is safest. The "temporary" uprights I removed today will be replaced by permanent ones soon. But that belt level hoop below the back window stays and is now in final fine-tuned position although the tabs on top are not final. Theres only one tacked up there now. They center the body at a critical point, however once the body becomes one piece removal of those may be an option.
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Truck roof glued and welded-
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Hood for that, looking ready for poly primer, or close to it-
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Matt on the Coupe are there thoughts to bob the rear fenders?
Quote from: "moose"Matt on the Coupe are there thoughts to bob the rear fenders?
There are, but if I recall correctly that decision was to be made either after tires and wheels are in or after a rendering is done to illustrate that along with proposed tail lights. However, one pro rendering depicts a later style gas tank which I am fairly certain is no longer part of the plan. Personaly I have done no research on this question because I know shop and car owners are deliberating the issue. I think we will bob.
No pic today, guys. Its no secret that my mind is troubled. For that reason, I must adjourn. Dismiss myself, that is. May I be excused? If I can recover, you'll hear from me again. Thank you.
Today I established functional latch and striker locations and latched the trunk a couple times but the unreinforced license panel is like a wet paper sack. I began modifying the reinforcement.
I hope you guys can understand this...
You know I tend to run my mouth and so do I, thats why I get scared to continue. Theres not a wife to talk things over with is my best justification for that. Without throwing anyone under a bus, figuratively, here is an explanation that I hope will help us both:
I must become an independent contractor just to keep my job and freedom and preserve my ethics. This is the worst work thing I can imagine and I will never understand why but the reality is that. Or unwillingly start an unrelated career at entry level. That would require a complete wipe of the life I have built. Having no experience at running my own business, and with no potential financial gains involved... I will have to drag myself kicking and screaming into a new arrangement that is strongly against my will. Thats the problematic and infuriating new fact that I'll have to stack on top of the bottles holding the rest of the existing frustrations and undesireable hard facts. I have met with much understanding from you guys, and the weight you feel as you read this is me leaning on you. Please just hold still for me like you've been doing and I will make every effort to backspace out my snotty remarks before hitting submit better in the future. Doing so only adds to the problem though, on my end.
So again, thanks to you patient forum friends whether you understand my hints or not. Auto body has not been good to me but I will always try to be good to you. Its just that there are times when I can't handle normal people life stuff. My personal ethical structure resembles that of previous generations much more closely than that of later ones and I may expect a lot but I also offer a lot. I don't believe in going fetal and hiding in a corner when times are hard, but in recent years I have encountered attacks from so many directions with such frequency and been driven back so far that I don't wonder at all why I sometimes behave like a cornered wild animal. But you probably do. I have always kept that contained, to a point, and hope to avoid future frustration spikes as best I can. I have obviously grown up a little because I haven't destroyed the pictures this time around.
Now to shut up and go on. :arrow:
With help from some mighty valuable friends, and some good rest and theraputic car fixing, and sunny day putting the ride away with a lingering aroma of tire smoke... I have recovered. I made a single red tape mistake that had big consequenses money-wise. All I have to do is crap some unexpected money now and change entries on a couple forms. Won't do me any good but will avoid bad. No need for tense money discussion tomorrow, I am at ease.
You know that will wear off by hump day. :roll: Stay tuned for regular programming, gents. Have a cola, on me :T)
Zippity doo-da, Monday. :)
Today's first step just reminded me to retreat by about a dozen. Trying to mount a latch and move a trunk hinge pin, I smoked 'em to the 600 foot mark so to speak. Post-mortem flailing of an equine, as it were. :lol: :0-0
So I focused on floating the tail panel / reinf / tire mount panel assembly into a correct position with height being slightly variable for adjustment of trunk gap and bead-matching of tail panel to qtrs. That was a hum-dinger but quite revealing particularly since its been a long time since any length checking was done. Quarter templates at trunk gap match shapes. Gutters, too. Inner well walls, too. And last week's seal bed pieces are twins as are the tubs.
But if you get the tail assembly in the perfect spot, lookin good on the left, the lid's right rear overlaps the quarter. Shove it over a smidge to close it and eureka... tip of right quarter is short nearly a half inch.
Once I build the trunk's basement and have the tail reinf and tire mount bar tacked where they go, I will be able to sort out the rear of the right quarter with surgeries. THEN when I have trunk gaps, I'll worry about latching and hinging with precision.
Its a big 3D square dance and pics don't tell much. Bow to your partner... promenade... whirl, whirl, twist and twirl. Thrash around like a rubberneck squirrel. :lol: Y'all can at least clap and stomp while I call it. :)
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These other hinges mount to the shelf and pass through the gutter. I think I'll pass, theres no shelf now.
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This is what it looks like on a long train of thought when you realize its five only because the train stopped. Dagnabbit, didn't hear that lonesome whistle blowin'.
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So theres that crummy documentation. Heres some quantity to compensate for quality, as a little variety for gits and shiggles. Weekend warrior 455 intake gasket job on my junk. Didn't walk around much today.
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I could not look at the rusty tire mount panel any longer-
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These show the tail assembly clamped in what I judge to be the correct position relative to the frame and body, and with the lid on hinges. All I gotta do is make everything meet it. :shock: :arrow:
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I have this little box in the trunk floor now, and will make some sort of permanent extensions rearward and upward to hold the tail end and hinge / gutter areas centered. Right now center line is good except back past the trunk hinges. The tail end sheetmetal all easily shoves over the quarter inch needed to perfect that, by hand. However I think the left quarter is touching the tubular structure behind the side window now also, just barely.
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Don't pay no never mind to the invalid centerline on the trunk pan.
This shot just happens to be nicely squared for minimal camera distortion. I am pretty sure the trunk lid skin is just too short on the bottom right.
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Now that I have a good idea whats going on out back, I have started to re-approach the trunk front gap, beginning with the gutter.position.
Lets check in on the guest stars-
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On the '31, consider raising the license plate panel a"bit" on the right side, instead of extending the trunk lid? From the pic, that looks to be the issue.
Made a drop-down well panel behind the frame-
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Took all that out to work on it-
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This is the trunk pan viewed through the right side window, showing the front of it. It is laying on top of the 3" tall tubing that it connects to the bottom of. It will meet the cabin pan there.
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From behind the car. Not clamped to anything, ran out of time. All the contours are there though. Wheel tub uprights will need modification or redo.
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Other fun stuff... Trimmed rear window panel patch front edge where it was giving me fits being too long-
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Don't know if I showed any detail of the hinge areas. That peg is all you get-
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Unscrew one peg to remove lid. I can see that lid flying right off in a crash with these and they are an open-end only pain to get to-
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This is me using CAD to see how the tail light would look done like a ball vent on a 66 Pontiac dash-
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Somebody say Pontiac? I petted the Cat today. Don't ask me whats going on here, I dunno. :?
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Quote from: "crdnblu"On the '31, consider raising the license plate panel a"bit" on the right side, instead of extending the trunk lid? From the pic, that looks to be the issue.
I will be able to confirm or deny that in the next day or two. Measurements to the best of my ability indicate that the spare tire mount panel at bottom, and the top of the license panel with reinforcement... are exactly level at the same time the rest of the body and frame are. Including the trunk hinges. My assumption is that the lid and quarter were both on the car when it was damaged at the right rear. It had a replacement tail panel skin on it and the spare tire mount panel is also a replacement. From the last repair session /paint job. The rumble lid is also a replacement but from earlier I believe. All the fenders are replacements.
The pictures do lie like a rug because if the phone is ever so slightly tilted or off center, distortion often appears. Thats all I can say about that, really. Gravity says the whole tail assembly is level. Theres actually a level with a flashlight shining on it in one of the pics.
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Hi Matt.......Looking at the license panel again,where the panel intersects the body rear quarter panels is different, from right to left.
Quote from: "crdnblu"Hi Matt.......Looking at the license panel again,where the panel intersects the body rear quarter panels is different, from right to left.
Yessir, thats correct. First things first!
I have a few screws and tacks holding the parts together now, and the spare tire mount panel is connected via the trunk pan to the cabin structure. It sits in the correct position.
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As you can plainly see in those two pictures, I have more work to do. I'm afraid one whole quarter has more rake than the other. Neato! What I am saying is if viewed from the side and one quarter is pointing at the 3 o'clock position, the other side would be indicating a minute or two past three.
You guys can study on it all you like. History shows that I know what I'm doing. Just not always what I'm talking about. :roll:
Shown below is yet another relevant factor to consider-
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crdnblu, Its looking like the quarter patch behind the door is too tall perhaps. Like the right quarter will need to come down in back. Not a tremendously big deal because I already planned to cut both of those patches to line the beads up to the door skins. Thats not all there is to it but yeah something is up. The left and right trunk hinge pins are the same distance from the dash but the gutter bolt holes were not. Thats what made my side pieces on the gutters look so off. The gutter was not on the quarter in the same fore/aft position on each quarter. Thats part of this problem.
Here is another contributing factor-
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You can study this shot all night but bear this in mind... The camera is not square to the world but the car is. The valid thing to see here is the center line. Me being right handed and that hand being crooked could be why you'll never see a perfectly centered and distortion free shot with perfect perspective.
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I have begun doing something about it all, and some length is coming back to the quarter bead which is good news. :arrow:
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Matt........I never meant to offend; you have "mad" skills!!!
You haven't, and thanks. Sometimes I have to talk like Friday on Dragnet. What is going on with the A this half Friday is so complex that it might be after dark before I can post about it. Its crazy, this car is like a fun house at a carnival and can of worms all in one!
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This last problem with the wheel openings is what would give me a nightmare . I am waiting to see how you do this repair as I basically have little idea what you are about to do . I feel a bunch of learning coming on . Take me to school IDJ ! 8)
OK, but you'll need a shiny apple. :)
Today's lesson is: The back of the drip rail, back of the side window opening, point of intersection under the bead that goes across above trunk with top of side bead, inside of lower bead's radius at corner ahead of wheel, and last but not least rear edge of apron, from top to bottom...
... are pretty much in a straight vertical line. That bit of information would have helped me with making the quarter patches had I only realized it. :roll: :idea: I will have to remember to get an average of the height measurements along that line and post those as documentation. With a YMMV clause due to height being greatly affected by roundness of the large double bead section under the side window. Another point to bear in mind is that Henry made the quarters of two halves, fused just above the big bead and below the qtr windows. Heck, you can see that seam in this pic. A little, on the roof corner. It is a point of suspicion for me yet. :arrow:
Something that did occur to me was to tilt the paper template so that the rear tip has the correct height to match the left side's end bead. Thats the tips of the flats between beads, the important visual spot. In this pic, the green line is at bottom of bead just to make that visible with the lighting, and top of template indicates another clue to add up. Despite all the detective work, this case isn't quite ready to take to court yet. Investigation is active though. I did not make a revised horizontal reference mark with the template in this position, yet. But I feel a little less lost as to how to fix.
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My conclusion is that the side bead aft of the roof is an invalid reference point. An "eyeball" area, and an important one, where the parts provided are chock full of loose manufacturing and damage issues and failure to get a fair match of bulge alongside the side bead as it tapers in could have visual consequenses since this one is built more like a unibody fit now and anything off will stand out. The nail-biter for me is whether theres enough quarter panel there or not. In a way, however, it puts my mind at ease knowing what available patches look like for the quarter rear tips. They are a foot tall or so, meaning this drama is as new and unique as Ford itself. Well, durn near. I'd bet on myself for the win but don't ask for a calculation of casualties.
The guys want a seal bed similar to the door jambs here, so my seal strips swapped sides-
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By making this cut...
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...and nothing else, I got the right quarter tip to here and tacked the side strips to the tail reinf.
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It appears to me, now, that getting the bead line on the right quarter's rear tip to come down the rest of the way will probably be done by a horizontal chop at oh, say 9:30 -10 o'clock relative to the wheel, and for some reason I want a vertical jog like how some guys do top chops. To preserve the curve, Merv. Get on the bus, Gus. Drop off the key, Lee. And set yourself free. :)
Did you like that segway into song? :roll: :?:
More like into goofy land but hey... what song was that in my head? That theres your musical interlude and my diversional tactics for the evening. :lol: No charge, BYOB. :b-d:
I digress, I am happy today because we had a nice visit with the A guy. Figured out why maybe many of our ideas jive, he has a souped up Grand National with low miles and also a Typhoon. Oh :shock: Yeah... force-fed 3800s are the common thread. 8) I need to do some more edits, rear this time.
Back to the shop, uh... what was I in here for? Ah. yes... a fun part :D
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Can everybody see whats going on there? Ask if not, I only bite occasionally and you all got as good a chance as the next guy at a straight answer. It is responding to logic now that the lid has been halved.
I left off at finessing the lid shell shape, and this particular stamping left a bit to be desired on uniformity. The back edge is sloppy and it turns out that was hurting me up front. Now I can get it to look good up front and out back at the same time. The skin sets in there nice by itself also now, but of course it sticks up because the edge isn't folded over yet. I am resisting the temptations to ask for a fresh lid skin and to make a shell. But its tough.
By fax, got instructions for the alum hinges. Oh. :oops: I envisioned them backwards, never mind. Should look sharp! By the way, I am lagging on the variety pics because as you can see... my hands are full.
Be on the lookout for tail light ideas I may conjure and post in quest of inputs. If you know of a cool tail light arrangement that doesn't look like a Battlestar Galactica or Star Wars reject, the empty yellow suggestion box below is for you, use it. I would genuinely appreciate some help finding what would qualify as customary "period" or modern, street rodded examples to look at. We have a heap of ideas but the thing I recently demonstrated with cutout cardboard in a pic is about a two-base hit with all of us. I intend to somehow illustrate a few variations on that. Thank ye, gents.
50 ways to leave your lover. Paul Simon. Are these hinges for the trunk? I have an idea.
With the trunk lid backing in that position with out the skin it looks like the hinges would be in the position to be for a rumble seat GPster
I always liked 48 chev tail lights on a model A
Frank, its these-
https://www.rockyhinge.com/model-a-trunk-hinges.html
Lay it on me so I can dig it.
Seems pretty straightforward in the directions, the tabs at the small end will go onto the nearby tubing. The stated optimal distance for 90 degree opening is 3.5" from front of lid. Now I am anxious to know if our ideas are similar. I want to extend the front of the lid up to the bead but no takers. I also want to make the rear window panel not go up with the roof under the bead but stay flush with the lid curve and tuck tail lights in under the bead, all the way across. Sequential, even. ~:)
GPster, as Mike explained it to me, the right pivot point for a seatworthy angle (not hanging off back of car, but seat bottom over axle) would occupy space where the tire is. And if you move those inboard to skirt that issue, you end up with a skinny kid only seat width. I have protested but been shushed, as it was tough to deprive our hero of that wish but its done and I buy the explanation. Never give up, though!
CK, Roger that. Duly noted.
Catch you men on the flipside of 40 winks. :arrow: Bonus );b( thumbup to the rhymin Simon expert. :) That tune was catchy when I was knee-high to a hubcap.
My idea was how to improve the original hinge, but the Rocky Hinge works too, and may be better.
You be the judge. :wink: These would wreck better for sure. :idea:
Found it! Heres a big troublemaker-
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Thats as far as I got. Of course I had to hack up what I just put. :roll: Don't mind at all, this is going to be nice. I want to reinforce the lid accordingly. For me, this is like walking on cake.
:-o
Variety pack-
Wreck I looked at today, 17 model, 16K and got it on both ends then a light offroading adventure. :roll:
I don't miss working on stuff with so much perfume in it you smell it at home.
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Ready go home :?
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Ready go paint :?
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Just :?: :arrow:
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More of that-
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The freshly 383 swapped brown round makes good noises-
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I have the piece cut for the other side of the trunk latch vertical brace, but not bent. They will sit 5" apart and be boxed on the front and that will flange to the pan, then I'll make a permanent top piece. The upright rear flanges against the license area won't be welded to it, maybe bead of seam sealer'ed prior to installing the skin. Then deal with the lid. Or Verse Vice-a. Sure could use whatever strut or other hold-open device is to be used, Clamps are old already and that puppy is a noggin-banger at open height. :)
This car is going to end up sturdy and solid like a late model.
Thanks. The outer skin just supported itself and in my mind, I am creating as minimal a structure as possible with the simplicity of tubing. My decision to not extend the trunk floor tubing past the frame is in consideration to safety. My original thought / sketch / rough-in connected the tail panel with tubing and one day it dawned on me why it wasn't setting right with me. I was bypassing crushable sheetmetal area that could collapse on impact and absorb energy rather that transmit it right up to the seat. :shock:
Given time, usually I arrive at something good. :)
I have sort of started doing hobby photo editing on Sunday afternoons. Today, theres a stumbling block on that and I think I'll address it on a dedicated thread.
Thanks for stopping in, all. 8)
You might look at these to hold the lid up https://www.mcmaster.com/lid-supports Figure the weight to have to support and the open and closed length and order what you need. You can use two different weight capacities if you need to, like a 15 lb on one side and a 20 lb on the other so they average out at about 17 lbs each. If you get the location correct, they will not only hold the lid up, but they will help to keep it closed. If you need help figuring out lengths and strokes, let me know, ?I have used these on a couple cars.
Mike and Gary usually pick and get those much later in the project and I think they have a usual brand. Personally, I can't stand the look and don't care for the function. Too much like newer cars. No doubt about what you linked, though. What would my own solution be? Never had to think about it. Hmmm. If I could hide them, I'd like that better.
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This is just cobbled up to hold still. Its next :arrow:
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67 Ford roof progress-
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Painter seam sealed it since then. No pic (yet)
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Fresh meat-
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Seal strip just like the others-
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Clearance for that has to come from somewhere-
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Yesterday's Bronco engine was on the ground by lunch-
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But by 5 another one showed up-
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Probably because these are about to be put-togethers -
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New guy put one pan in the previously hacked fastback-
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If you recall seeing this ex-nasty sedan delivery door in the background, you'll know why I think ol' Longhair is alright. Poor guy is about to start on the blompy roof (it goes "blomp" like a cow goes moo).
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Ground this side, whacked old hinge mounts-
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Made this trunk front seal bed extension for the rear window patch-
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That ^^^ pic shows the fabbed part's top flange behind the patch. The pic below shows it the other way around and trimmed just right as to be all but invisible under the overhang-
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Carefully clamped with shim in groove and tacked all across, enough to hold for now. With 3/8" seal bed depth to match the rest, as with the 5/8" width protruding past the half inch overhang on the patch.
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Have not messed with gap, I just screwed the window panel back on but this looks OK-
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From inside, you see how easy it will be to tie that area to the structure and really firm things up-
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Reinforcement and support for the lid ideas are moving now but you may see me move to another area of the vehicle as those develop.
I'll put some bonus peeks on another post. :arrow:
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Added the missing couple inches to the side strips and tacked all four corners. Use 1/4" nuts as seal substitute spacers. Tacked a scrap in to connect window panel to structure. Looks OK-
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Laid the roof and lid skin on it-
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Heres one half of the lid shell, shaved-
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Other side in progress. These show the cuts before flattening and the big gaps to weld-
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Note that snazzy hole filling technique. Ran outta wire, didn't finish. Theres this flat spot near the hinge pad on this side-
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Then the rumble handle area-
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The blue on the truck is very nice 8) .
Had to upset the body line match at right qtr to window panel to get it to sit right but everything I see, I can work with. Trimmed bottom rear corners of skin and have tenatively marked a new bottom edge. Hits the tail panel now but is latched in pics.
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Heres Longhair's progress on that wagon's long skinny over the drip rail patch-
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Moved lid forward
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Reconstructing foldover at rear to match
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Throwing out rough ideas on paper here :arrow: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
If you have any advice or styling input, I am all ears plus eyes. Just remember, I don't remember the 1950s nor does the car's owner.
This is how I envision what Mike tried nobly to explain to me about fenders, regardless of length:
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This was my first thought for round signal lamp location, up front:
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Amber LED strips could go here:
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These would be invisible until lit, bedded flush and painted over seamlessly:
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I submit these ideas, not the illustrations (they are crude tools only, I traced) for your critique / questions & comments, or dismissal. Only the rear sheetmetal image is currently relevant. And how!
Heres an approximation of such, from the angle where your rod will mostly see it. Not for long and not this big though. :0-0 ~:)
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My $.02 says the fenders are too wide for the car in that design, looks more like a NHRA Funny car.
What size are the rear tires?
Quote from: "416Ford"My $.02 says the fenders are too wide for the car in that design, looks more like a NHRA Funny car.
What size are the rear tires?
Nobody knows tire size, and no one is willing to do a proper photo edit. I need to build the rear of the body now but don't know what to build. The fenders in the edit are approximate guesses taken from another pic at a different angle. I am trying to see what people think of the basic construction, this is not a contest-ready work of art nor is it an exact blueprint. I will have to build the car first to get the picture required, I guess. This is what I get for pouring personal time into a job project... best efforts not good enough. I can link you to a free download of the program I use if any of you want to correct my errors. I did the best I knew how, working with the available images, to depict a stock width fender. Put a piece of paper over your monitor, trace my image, correct it in pencil, show me whats right. Or wait until the next time I feel like messing with it. I have to go build something now. I will not make the car look like the edit. I don't know why the sketch works for people but the edit does not. I can see that posterboard mock up is required.
Everyone feel free to show me your sketches and edits that are correct in your eyes and I will be glad to list any imperfections I find. :)
That image was supposed to be an aid in establishing how short he wants fenders cut. I apologize to the world for it's inaccuracy and will destroy it.
Here is a picture of a model A from the rear that shows more clearly the normal width of the rear fenders from the body to the outside edge
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Heres an approximation of such, from the angle where your rod will mostly see it. Not for long and not this big though. :0-0 ~:)
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My friend's Model A is pro-street, and his rear end looks similar to what you have pictured. Exhaust is centered like you have shown and the fenders are extended inward more than you have shown. I would not extend the fenders outward as it is a little extreme style-wise. If you pull the fenders in so they do not stick out any further an the fronts, they will look more in proportion. My 2 cents . . .
Picture I used is on the bottom. Sit on it.
:-} :(D) :(U) :evil: :arrow:
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Customer visited and we had the talk, boss included, with the sketches and explained edit... about fender bobbing. After I showed him a stockee from the side, he agreed at or below the axle sounded about right. He squinted at it, made markwith shoe in dust, I put posterboard up. He is on the fence about keeping the tire mount panel but he is game for the flush lid. :D
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So theres my homework. I'd rather go cruise the 455 but no gas. I'll have to bill this one or something.
I like it.
Howzis grab ya? ~:)
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thats more like it ! 8)
Thanks. Its a starting point. Need side view now. It would probably show more tire from behind, thats based on the wood wheel diameter which is smaller. Bottoms of fenders were just stretched to width to keep the curve looking right. Shown with spare tire mount panel with filled seam. Flush lid means also probably normal chrome bike gas cap instead of fancy flap, too.
Look better Matt, I am thinking that Coyote is going to need more then a 2" exhaust to let it breath. My .02 tells me the green lower pan does not blend.
I put another attempt in the link.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/R6pYVPNHi3GdW8sj7
Oh yeah... dual twice pipes works also. :wink: :idea: My thought was just to grab some easy tips and go for a 3" look, then they ended up ovals. But naw we don't want her huffing and puffing through a coffee stir stick or soda straw. At least milkshake straw. Real ice cream kind Going with 1 3/4" primaries, I hear. Feel free to play more in the picture box.
I gotta somehow do laundry and start from scratch on a side view but its already bedtime. Dadgum it. Oh, and post the day! And find out who is coming to Easter meet-n-eat at Mom's. Gonna be westerns after midnight on a weeknight again, I can tell. :roll:
Stand by for good stuff from a weary junk driver. 8)
The green pan... thats me. Didn't think black would show the shape since thats down in the shadows. Black is fine by me though, just be more difficult to render legibly.
By the way, a token offer of consideration (cheap, but pay nonetheless) was given for the coyote-tagged edits. Thats a small win, my first buck for at-home work. );b( :idea:
I'll start with this crummy sketch (this is what happens if I don't trace) explaining what I call flush lid-
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I wanted to see all fenders. So I screwed the right fender to the quarter before hanging them as a unit-
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I fussed over squaring up the roof support structure and eyeball leveling the insert opening. The straight (but with bends at ends) main cross tube where camper tape is in the pics... will get a sheetmetal bow like the rest welded to it. The plan is for seam sealer beads on top of the ribs and bows just prior to ribbed roof insert final install. The darker (mill scale) 16 ga cross support that used to be an L is now a U on it's side. Thats right over the driver's head. I was able to bend it over without losing the shape, remarkably. I had bowed it when angled with shrinker jaws. Didn't want hard tubing nor just bent 18 ga overhead so the rounded bent over 16 ga was my middle soluition for when sliding on roof.
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At bean time, with fender hanging and door shutting just like it did first shot thanks to the placeholders I tacked to door side hinge pockets. :)
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Endo the day and whats the difference? :?
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Roof is tacked. Just one pass of trying to even things up and well, I'll be... its amazing what a square plumb car will do for a wonky roof insert. I may have it a little crooked, and it still needs work where the tree fell but thats where I ran out of time. But I feel some dread relief. Even wiped down the whole car since...
this is the first look with all the panels on. :!: :shock: :arrow:
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Aaaand it looks like a Model A! :)
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Thats a new guy working on the fastback aprons. He seems to be a keeper.
Footloose Jr and yet another FNG are going for show, on the Cat. All blocks blazing. 8)
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The good ol' Longhair "sloth-man" is now working below the meat wagon drip rail-
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Was that it? I think thats all for today. Plenty for everyone! :) Now what? Oh... the clothes dryer. Because human get dirty. :roll:
Does anyone know which is the correct trunk lid fit on a stock A... :?: :?: :?:
:arrow: flush with the bead next to the trunk opening, or inset a little so the lid would be flush with the un-beaded face of the quarter?
I finally positioned the visor referencing the leading edge. Ended up here-
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Cut tacks and located the roof insert properly referencing the ribs rather than the panel edge. Then came round two of matchup-n-tack.
Looks like it might be alright-
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Stick your head inside if you want-
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I'm down here now, doing this-
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I think I may have wrong rear fenders. An hour on the internet trying to find out got me nowhere but there seems to be two kinds.
Help? I may just have to stop working on it for lack of smarts.
Every nice stock A coupe I see on the web has fenders with rear bottoms that are level with the running board.
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Closest thing to a clue I have found-
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/28-29-vs-30-31-roadster-coupe-rear-fenders.834933/#post-9553573
All I know to do is stop and go work on the cowl and firewall now. Some beach.
If it helps any, Wescotts' lists 2 different fenders for 28-9 and 2 different ones for 30-1. The coupe and roadster has one and the sedans a different one. Dee Wescott was as close to an expert on early Fords as I had found. I didn't find measurements anywhere.
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Quote from: "kb426"If it helps any, Wescotts' lists 2 different fenders for 28-9 and 2 different ones for 30-1. The coupe and roadster has one and the sedans a different one. Dee Wescott was as close to an expert on early Fords as I had found. I didn't find measurements anywhere.
I believe we may have the more square tipped version
Whew. That was a mental struggle, its a glad to be home day. :)
The understanding that I will commit to memory after that flurry of discussions and fruitless research is this:
30-1 coupe, roadster, cabriolet, pickup all take the same fender. But there are two styles, probably reflecting the two different body manufacturers. Add aftermarket and well, what you have is what you have. What we have will have to be cut up and squinted at, thats that. I did take some today pics that may help me fake stuff to look at. Later.
Heck I think there were car parts on that 41 truck with Coyote we did years back. Speaking of years back, in my research I saw the stellar metal work on the Hemi A some user showed here in 2012. Pacifica van roof, I believe. Y'all know the one. Wow that thing is purty. :shock: 8)
For the time being, I am at peace with the A. But I am so incredibly burnt out from nonstop back to back builds on top of the whole career with no time off... that I get wore thin. I'm one of those guys who requires about a 50/50 profane / plain lingo mix so it probably reads awful fierce lately. I will try to mellow out. This fender unknown thing blindsided me when hurrying and past bedtime I tried to overlay our fender onto web pics with the editing program. Something simple snowballed into hey I gotta stop right here and await further instruction. Hate it when that happens.
Stand by for some real weak rodder fodder, and thanks to all youse mugs that read and wish you could help when I'm fusstrated. :roll:
I put a couple stiff scrap tabs here to hold the fender upright-
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Got new inner tubs laid out but that was it, too much commotion and communication going and I only focused an hour or two.
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These were just endo the day snaps but I might be able to use them. The phrase Model A just causes slight nausea at the moment. :roll:
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Hey, question in case anybody knows :?: :arrow:
Our hero and I both want to see steel wheels with poverty hub caps and beauty rings. But theres gonna be nearly a foot of dish involved here. Mike says theres 16" of width to play in, I haven't measured. But to me it looks like maybe 3-4" on the inside for backspacing, so...
What do you do in that case? I thought maybe you can have steelies made with the rim chrome and the center bare for paint. Won't trim rings be an issue with all that dish? Is there a solution for that already? Do you just put regular trim rings on and look at black painted dish? Muscle era mind here wants know.
:?
:idea: :?:
https://www.wheelvintiques.com/wheels/hot-rod.html They sell chrome rims with bare centers, and custom widths and backspacing.
Quote from: "enjenjo"https://www.wheelvintiques.com/wheels/hot-rod.html They sell chrome rims with bare centers, and custom widths and backspacing.
Excellent 8)
Happy Easter, Frank. You found a bunny egg-
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Hit me with some tasteful traditional exhaust treaments, men. I kind of expect it to have two soda straws. Boss wants just two but like the pic.
Got d'ruthers? :?:
They probably mostly get dumps, don't they? :roll: Not full tailpipes, that is.
I fought this a lot. The choice came down to if I couldn't come up with something really eye catching, then I need to hide it. I have noticed that it has become common to use the flex hose to connect to the outlet to allow proper centering and allow the pipe to do the moving. Once again, I'm without an idea. :)
I like thought processes as much as the idea fruit. Here are a couple fresh ripe piping hot ones. :arrow:
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Quadraphonic was too heavy for boss. Stereo is less busy, maaan.
Howzabout that hacked ponycar bumper flatulence? I figure a guy could maybe edit up the center of a Mustang front bumper to serve as a spreader out front. Theres potential there, I think. But yeah heres chrome out back. Heck we could just make a rounded pan, lose the tire mount and be done. It could be chromed or painted or even black. I'll be doing more but I should probably focus on fender length.
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By the way, my story to go with the background is there was just a smoky donut then you park, go to the upwind side and catch the haze of your smoke you had on the way to the donut shop on rod tour day with your camera. And its worth going down on one knee to get the I smoked my fat meats pic for your fb group. :lol:
Thats my thought process. I will walk into the Monday grey room and have to pull up the forum to see where I left off Friday.
So far, the chrome bumper has gotten a better initial reaction than expected. I only say that because Mikey likes it. It, but also quad tips. :idea:
Variety is the spice. Easier with pixels. Most of the time. Speaking shorthand because hand hurts. Good day, fine mood. :arrow:
Made new tub inner wall, clamped. Scoring fender mount flange to chop off-
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That was lunch. End of day, getting a roughly placed row of bolts going through tub, fender, and quarter. Working toward rear, flattening excess fender edge to mate to qtr. Tub hump will stay on qtr for keeps now, holds it still and screws to inner well which stays with structure / pan until welding day.
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The way it sits now... the body seems quite sturdy. Should be rock-like.
Stand by for the evening variety special :)
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Customer requested painted bumper, embedded invisible stang-look tail lights, keep beads at trunk sides.
Bam, done.
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Sorry, but your customer should talk to some folks; it's a '31, not a 2019. I don't think that back-end treatment works for a '30's ride, IMHO......
I like the valence, exhaust and license plate treatment. And if the tail lights are invisible until they light up, that's cool. I'm okay with something different. But I guess I would question durability with the tire so close. Maybe that would not be an issue if designed correctly.
I just had a bit of a vomit :shock: sorry
The collective has a pulse! :D
I was wondering how far I'd have to go to create the RRT version of a uproar. :lol:
You guys are great. 8)
The customer came in today and we had our ducks in a row. I know what to do now, and I'll tell you everything but first we gotta eat our meat n veggies. :arrow:
I abandoned that yesterday fender because I felt like making this instead. Reached a point of wanting to know how I'll be tying tub to structure and this was the only piece I had a mental sketch for. Turns out it just barely touches the well. Oh well. :idea:
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I was all set to cut that when boss asked me to roll the Catalina rubber under it because our hero would be in a little later.
Fast forward until that smoke cleared, and this is that right inner C pillar area at day's end-
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Tail lights-
Undecided. No decision needed by me at this point but now I know how to stir the pot. :wink: The latest ones were vetoed by the boss, customer never saw that reluctantly done edit.
Also a good decision to leave open until the latest time because of the wild variation of cost between choices. I offered to chop the stands or bury LEDs or anything in between. You know if it were mine it would have four slots, to look like 60s GTO / Firebird tails. :idea:
Exhaust tips- Same thing. Anything might show up there.
Wheels- I think 20x15 will have to be it, biggest they got and theres room to spare. Tub inner wall to fender lip is 18 1/2".
These Big Slots are the current consideration, he wants everyone to see his big discs.
http://us-mags.com/big-slot-u405-w-4946.htm
Beads next to trunk: Keep.
Headlights: I heard the name of the ones being considered, didn't retain that tidbit.
Roll pan or Bumper: Simple, smooth rounded pan as shown. No seam, no indents. My favorite.
Fender bobbing: No one questioned my estimation once I zeroed in on it and made the last generation photo edit. I questioned them, they had no questions. Keep reading, you'll see what he saw.
Drumroll, please... boss has a way with these color combos that sound wacky, and this one is with solid colors. How about that? :shock:
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Here is how I prepared, and got all the decisions I need at once-
Bomb fogged the bare areas, sat the Cat rubber under there (335s)-
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She swallows it. The Cat's meat.
:shock:
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Little pipe slices for exhaust placeholders, and posterboard as an approximate fender height and width indicator.
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And now you know where it is headed. If I were a naturally aspirated engine, this would now be a zero manifold vacuum scenario. :0-0 :-}
Anybody forge doctor's sick notes? I need a breather pretty bad and the weather is nice. Can't feed the 455 again til payday.
Thanks to each and every one of you who have provided input. To me, you're all assets. :)
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Quote from: "idrivejunk"Customer requested painted bumper, embedded invisible stang-look tail lights, keep beads at trunk sides.
Bam, done.
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Ohhh Nooooo make that go away...
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Customer requested painted bumper, embedded invisible stang-look tail lights, keep beads at trunk sides.
Bam, done.
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In a word .......YUK :!: :!: :(D) :(U) :evil:
Bob... :wink:
Quote from: "416Ford"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Customer requested painted bumper, embedded invisible stang-look tail lights, keep beads at trunk sides.
Bam, done.
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Ohhh Nooooo make that go away...
:lol: You guys keep quoting it! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Here are eyebleach :arrow:
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Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Customer requested painted bumper, embedded invisible stang-look tail lights, keep beads at trunk sides.
Bam, done.
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In a word .......YUK :!: :!: :(D) :(U) :evil:
Bob... :wink:
That was a brainstorming emission that came up after I mentioned turn signals in fender tips done that way. He raised an eyebrow. So Gary asked for it. I don't think he showed it to the owner. If I had liked it at all, I would have tried harder on the edit. Don't you worry, boss is the style patrol. :wink:
This is what I'm building. A re-post of the pic. The one with quads pleased lots of eyes but I am only doing bodywork.
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Your eye bleach, sir. 8)
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Goin' strong. :)
By the way, that edit wasn't as bam done as I'd have liked. Still haven't made up the couple hours' sleep. :roll:
This represents the gas tank space available... IF I lose the upright tubing below the trunk hinges. I plan to do just that, and rely on nearby sheetmetal bracing for support.
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I got out a fresh sheet of construction paper, kids. :D Theres over an hour in just cleanup, sanding, and metal treatment involved.
One side left to cut-
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This is the RH cabin bulkhead extension-
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A little trim will butt it up to the big removable cabin bulkhead's edge-
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This is the cabin bulkhead with a couple screws in it. The white pattern represents a part of the trunk bulkhead.
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I'll make little corner finishers on the structure inside.
On the trunk side, these goal posts will be modified or eliminated-
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Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Customer requested painted bumper, embedded invisible stang-look tail lights, keep beads at trunk sides.
Bam, done.
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In a word .......YUK :!: :!: :(D) :(U) :evil:
Bob... :wink:
That was a brainstorming emission that came up after I mentioned turn signals in fender tips done that way. He raised an eyebrow. So Gary asked for it. I don't think he showed it to the owner. If I had liked it at all, I would have tried harder on the edit. Don't you worry, boss is the style patrol. :wink:
This is what I'm building. A re-post of the pic. The one with quads pleased lots of eyes but I am only doing bodywork.
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Your eye bleach, sir. 8)
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Goin' strong. :)
Thank You & Thank You.....My eyes feel better now .... 8) :lol: :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
Thank You & Thank You.....My eyes feel better now ....
I agree %110. );b( );b( );b(
I thought the colors pic was good for a few yuks, myself. Yuk, yuk :lol:
How about just good old new shiny metal :?: :arrow:
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Right as I was walking out the door at quitting time, a new employee had a diabetic seizure. That was wild, we tried to help but were helpless. EMTs were still not getting any response from him when I left, but he was awake the whole time. I never dealt with that before. Cut or smashed, sure. This, no. I feel wierd now. Sure hope he will be OK.
that last pic of the model a with A tail lights is a keeper . If you feel like messing with it more , try a pic using 48 chev tail lights even with the bottom of the licence plate . that was the fender treatment i was trying to explain
What he said; agreed!
The last revision is less unfinished in the trunk bead area, and the one to be used is just crap there. Never made it far enough to try 48 lights and all of that stuff is trash now that the decision has been made on fenders and pan. Out of the countless hours spent on Catalina and Model A edits, there hasn't even been eighty bucks pay, so I won't offer any in the future. They will have to be asked for, pre-priced, easy, and relevant to my task for me to want to do another.
Well, I say that but find myself tempted to do something to try those colors on and was planning to do a side view anyway. But thats a big job and from scatch, and changes would be wanted.
Self - contradictory situation normal. :lol: :roll: :?
Matt just another idea. Mine is not fendered BUTT here is how I am covering the rear of the body. The pipe pieces in the roll pan will be inserted flush as cut-outs for the exhaust
Moose, that will look good. If you made that pan, how did you make the ends?
I searched for pans but very lightheartedly, didn't see rounded corners like you have or like I want to do. Saw one with the tag on the pan (hangs down) and thought to myself I had better see if he would rather have the tag where it is or down on the pan. Because he didn't know he was getting a pan when he bought the license panel and I can't be sure which tag location he would rather have.
Matt, I have hammer formed pan ends with just a Fiberfill form. Shape the Fiberfill on a two by 4 so you can clamp it down, and form the metal over it with a hammer, clamping as you go. It takes longer to make the form that it does to make the part. I have made dash panels, running boards rolled pan ends and other things with hammer forms.
https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/video/hammer-forming-an-overview-008758/
Ron Fournier was big on using hammer forms, and I learned from his books You can find some of his books here on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0895867575/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2_olp?keywords=Sheet+Metal+Handbook%2C+by+Ron+%26+Sue+Fournier+%28SMB00%29&qid=1556505766&s=gateway&sr=8-2-fkmr0
Quote from: "enjenjo"Matt, I have hammer formed pan ends with just a Fiberfill form. Shape the Fiberfill on a two by 4 so you can clamp it down, and form the metal over it with a hammer, clamping as you go. It takes longer to make the form that it does to make the part. I have made dash panels, running boards rolled pan ends and other things with hammer forms.
https://www.classiccarrestorationclub.com/video/hammer-forming-an-overview-008758/
Ron Fournier was big on using hammer forms, and I learned from his books You can find some of his books here on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0895867575/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2_olp?keywords=Sheet+Metal+Handbook%2C+by+Ron+%26+Sue+Fournier+%28SMB00%29&qid=1556505766&s=gateway&sr=8-2-fkmr0
Pillow stuffing? Huh? :?
Believe it or not, I have heard of hammer forming. I believe that technique is a little too fancy for my pay and don't have woodworking tools, so I'll wing it and hope for the best. Its worth a couple minute walkaround to see if the shapes exist on a junk part since theres not a no bondo clause. :wink:
I do have an idea of my own, if not. Not sure when I will make the part. Instinct is telling me the next place to focus is on vertical supports between tubs and seal beds. So I can lose that jack stand you keep seeing under the right side.
Thanks, Frank. 8)
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Moose, that will look good. If you made that pan, how did you make the ends?
I searched for pans but very lightheartedly, didn't see rounded corners like you have or like I want to do. Saw one with the tag on the pan (hangs down) and thought to myself I had better see if he would rather have the tag where it is or down on the pan. Because he didn't know he was getting a pan when he bought the license panel and I can't be sure which tag location he would rather have.
Matt, I have the advantage of having an english wheel. I rough hammered the shape into a shot bag and wheeled smooth. For your application you might not want the same shaped ends as they wouldn't blend into the fender correctly. For the main body of the pan I made a station buck to match the shape I wanted.
Quote from: "moose"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Moose, that will look good. If you made that pan, how did you make the ends?
I searched for pans but very lightheartedly, didn't see rounded corners like you have or like I want to do. Saw one with the tag on the pan (hangs down) and thought to myself I had better see if he would rather have the tag where it is or down on the pan. Because he didn't know he was getting a pan when he bought the license panel and I can't be sure which tag location he would rather have.
Matt, I have the advantage of having an english wheel. I rough hammered the shape into a shot bag and wheeled smooth. For your application you might not want the same shaped ends as they wouldn't blend into the fender correctly. For the main body of the pan I made a station buck to match the shape I wanted.
This is more the approach I have in mind, thinking a hitch ball might be a tool. :shock:
Theres an English wheel here but the adjustment part of it has issues. Thanks for the briefing, guys. My main concern is matching ends and both techniques may "sort of" come into play. I'll make light work of it if I can.
Here is another piece of the puzzle. I had to stare at it for quite awhile to conjure that because its Monday I reckon. I will be cutting the vertical tubing out but have designed an alternate location for it. Not sure that it will be needed though so I am pursuing the sheetmetal to see if that seems to be needed.
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Sprayout of the initial color proposition:
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Matt you can certainly rough out and planish the ends with out use of a wheel.
The first side is easy it is matching the second side that gets finicky! Just make some good radius templates off the first side and sneak up on the match.
With your skill set I see no problem in you creating what you need! It is all up to pleasing the customer which is not always easy!
We shall find out! The one who has been tough to please on this one is me because the Model A learning curve has been like a moonwalk. :shock: :lol:
Left side is the filler neck side so it will look different, to an extent. Being closed off from the trunk. This right side I think will be open to the trunk side and it may have potential as a battery or trans computer spot. As you see, I plan to have the cabin bulkhead main panel unbolt. I see no reason why not to do that with the middle section of the trunk bulkhead as well.
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No matter what the picture or my camera holding angle says, the rear edge of the panel is plumb or a near approximation thereof. :)
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Did I hurt eyes again with the Eddie Bauer Edition "Modern A" :?: :shock:
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Quote from: idrivejunkDid I hurt eyes again with the Eddie Bauer Edition "Modern A" :?: :shock:
When did the project turn into a 4X4 :?: :?: :shock:
From the illustration , you can see clear under the the thing ..... :? Front & rear tires the same :?: :?: :roll:
Bob... :wink:
Interesting projects in the shop. :)
Whats going into the pantera? They came with cleveland power originally . The paint scheme on the A is a little out of the ordinary as the darker colour in a 2 tone is usually found on the fenders . That was henry's choice so not necessarily right or wrong . All T's came with black fenders regardless of body colour in the last number of years .
Quote from: "kb426"Interesting projects in the shop. :)
Theres never a dull moment. Always feel free to ask about 'em. :)
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That one showed the top (center bolt hole needs a small hogging yet) and driver's side bolts in and plug weld prep on screwed upper panel. This one shows the new panel, just barely tacked, clamped, screwed, and bolted in place.
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Putting a row of quarter inch nuts at the bottom, strip for that is in progress. Its just laying in there.
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Quote from: UGLY OLDSQuote from: "idrivejunk"Did I hurt eyes again with the Eddie Bauer Edition "Modern A" :?: :shock:
When did the project turn into a 4X4 :?: :?: :shock:
From the illustration , you can see clear under the the thing ..... :? Front & rear tires the same :?: :?: :roll:
Bob... :wink:
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Quote from: "chimp koose"Whats going into the pantera? They came with cleveland power originally . The paint scheme on the A is a little out of the ordinary as the darker colour in a 2 tone is usually found on the fenders . That was henry's choice so not necessarily right or wrong . All T's came with black fenders regardless of body colour in the last number of years .
When I first heard the color combo, that was my initial verbal response: "The tan on the fenders?"
:? :shock:
Probably just a paint job on this, just guessing. Glancing at pics, left qtr has an outie over the wheel. Looks like.
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Quote from: idrivejunkQuote from: "UGLY OLDS"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Did I hurt eyes again with the Eddie Bauer Edition "Modern A" :?: :shock:
When did the project turn into a 4X4 :?: :?: :shock:
From the illustration , you can see clear under the the thing ..... :? Front & rear tires the same :?: :?: :roll:
Bob... :wink:
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HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....................... :roll: :roll: :roll: :? :? :?
Bob... :wink:
Quote from: UGLY OLDSQuote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Did I hurt eyes again with the Eddie Bauer Edition "Modern A" :?: :shock:
When did the project turn into a 4X4 :?: :?: :shock:
From the illustration , you can see clear under the the thing ..... :? Front & rear tires the same :?: :?: :roll:
Bob... :wink:
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HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM....................... :roll: :roll: :roll: :? :? :?
Bob... :wink:
I knew you would prefer a cinder blocks picture to an all IDJ-y explanation. :roll:
Color and wheel choice, fender height. When did this thread say tire size and ride height had been established? Durf. :lol:
I would have put a forest in the background but all you would have been able to see is trees. :roll: :roll: :roll:
I had a bit of the grump on last night... and how long did you guys think it would be before a non-serious edit for yuks would pop up? Didn't save my edit for the better part of an hour and the ancient program zonked out. Last save had all the tire and stance pretty much fixed. What I lost was the making the paint look better part. :roll: I was zonked too, no way to make it up then but I had five minutes and had taken a cinder block pic...
So you have what we have which beats snotty paragraphs that don't belong. Be it known that I fixed the real edit up before my attempt at humor.
Bob has recently made every effort to help me along. 8) :arrow:
I'm happy but we are now in a rainy weather pattern. :)
Pics ahoy, stand by.
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All they had to do was cover that floor before primer, she was beautiful once upon a time. Sniffle. :(
Can't complain about her showy flanks.
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Mike's hybrid new / old wheelwell creation, left side-
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The Bronco bed flor job-
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Fastback- mud has begun out back.
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All that, just to make the following "my first" gas tank enclosure more candylike to the metal man's eye.
Front of the front, all bolts in-
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Back of the front. Left side panel can get a gas filler hole later.
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Heres the back of the back. None of the nut strips are made yet for it, that across the pan and up the tubs.
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I'll have to make some boxes around the hinges also, and I plan to...
Where the top attaches here, box that underneath to the front nut strip and with that panel, provide a nut strip for the top of the access panel. And I believe I would like a vertical sheetmetal brace on the tank side of this panel.
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Whew :!: Good thing that got resolved ....The poor thing needed a tissue dispenser to help the driver with nosebleeds :!: :roll: :roll:
Bob... :wink:
Maybe it was Buford Pusser's Model A.... y'know... walking tall. :lol:
Sure would have needed to consult the high altitude tuning tables had I not slammed 'er down on a dirt road. Heck, alls I done was load it with shine and thats how it sat.
I made patterns for the overhead filler between hinges over the tank (just the end, I'll use math for the middle), and for hinge pockets.
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Then I actually made one of these, which extend to the hinge pocket-
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Hope thats all making sense to ya. Mike sez the "overly complex" boat sailed long ago. :roll: But I am still just tyring to act like I know what I'm doing.
Been rainy, might do some more edits. Over the last couple years I have done some for buds on the dark forum and a few are on the bench for health or family reasons so I put them all in one place as a cheer-up gag-
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Friends still ride free on that so if you want something and my inclination is there, I'm hip to doing simple stuff. Theres still a couple things I want to see on the A... like do widened tan fenders look wierd from behind and how does a 56 Ford truck cluster look in the center? Anybody got a truck they can measure for width of the speedo, as a reference?
Oh, and also I do want to try other tail, like the 48s CK likes but also I would like to revisit my initial tail light idea which was quickly swept under the rug.
Last weekend I griped to Dad that they dropped insurance on my spare ride and their second vehicle, the GT. Its insured again now. I'll putt around in it enough to know if theres any new problems and get it back clean eventually. A new guy at work wants to buy it. I have about concluded that I just need to stash it in my back yard with the 72 so everybody will forget I have it. I'll have owned it ten years come this July. :arrow:
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That Mustang front structure got epoxy yesterday but the shop lights were out by the tme I noticed. :)
Hey Matt ...Those tri-angular shaped braces look neat going to the floor like that ....It's starting to look like an automobile again.... 8)
The fuel tank will mount behind those ....Correct :?: :?:
Bob.. :wink:
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Hey Matt ...Those tri-angular shaped braces look neat going to the floor like that ....It's starting to look like an automobile again.... 8)
The fuel tank will mount behind those ....Correct :?: :?:
Bob.. :wink:
Thank you sir.
Depends on where you're standing. I believe tank R&I will have to be through the interior. Because tank ahead of tubs. Tank house is between seat and trunk, between the bolted (but could be welded) access panels / compartment dividers. This was chosen over dual saddle tanks during an early customer consultation because it sounded safer to the owner and avoids potential dual tank headaches. Mike offered little resistance but is from the saddle camp. My guesstimation of the compartment separation measures required stems from reading the NHRA and Tulsa strip rules years ago. We don't expect my structure to pass any rigid fast drag car rules, but I do expect him to be able to hop right out after mishaps that might spell death in a plain A.
The triangle pieces are key indeed! They hold tubs upright and hinges up, mainly. But they link sections of the body as a by-product and thats where the strong is. The removable panels are absolutely part of the structure. You'll see me find another spot to do something similar (gusseting) farther rearward on the tub. Thats when the body will be able to hold itself straight (and lose the jackstand), stem to stern.
Its so strange how all this happened... the A structure as a whole. The entire project has been such a reactionary, necessity-mothering-invention endeavor...
that being honestly a first time body "builder"... I look at it and marvel at how I've reached this point. As far as the construction planning vs result. There are just now starting to be enough parts there, to embark on the task of turning a couple rough old quarters into what does seem to be a thought-through design. Whether it actually is or isn't that is subjective. But sometimes I'll be figuring out the next step and the bigger picture hits me and I give a snort of shock and disbelief and look at my hands as if to ask them how they did it. Then I look to the sky and get a little choked up and think about Grandpas. And I give thanks for the opportunities I've been given and try to hold up my end. All the times the youngers come through my stall, peek, and go "Thats bad- ***!" mean nothing. Peer praise from seasoned talent is taken as "You've done your job. Now continue doing so.". When I amaze myself, thats more profound. Its only me that did it. And I never grew up, so its a wonder that I have the position I hold. Amazing. I'll take it!
That interlude certainly wasn't necessary but I have wanted to share those thoughts. I don't know how I got here or how I do this but it seems like the thing to keep doing. I just may never get used to the ways people react to stuff I make with no grand plan. One thing I am certain about is that observations made during a decade of crash fixing are not going to waste here. :)
Before you disapprove, look twice! :arrow:
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There is no equine influence in that, its just three 41-8 Chevy tail lights mounted vertically and closely spaced. Catch somebody saying Mustang while standing behind the car and you have yourself a five finger "conversation starter". Probably with a Ford guy. :wink:
Now... if that were done while keeping the (to me, very) unsightly tag pocket, of course it looks like crap-
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After the year or so of total immersion in Model A plus the research I have done... I don't like tag pockets. I would think they are a huge turn-off for anyone with traditional tastes but not a soul ever said a word for or against it. This week, boss man justified his choice of solid colors by saying "its a period build" and also suggested a mid-1950s dash. I haven't spoken to the owner since then but it seems theres been a big styling change in direction and to me that creates some conflicts but "whatever" is cool with this metal man.
The picture at the top of this post might be what I would ask for, myself. Then I might go home and stick an emblem on it. The kind that goes with the one on the engine and the car it came in.
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While editing, I meant to put the roll pan's tag pocket a little higher but forgot because neghbor dogs started barking, breaking my concentration so I'm done for now. :) If you want to paint the tail light panel flat black now, you're just plain hopeless. :roll:
Hit me with your best shot, fire away! I seriously don't care what happens with tail lights. I'd rather it had stock ones than cliche ones, and I'd rather let our hero have his Mustang cue desire fulfilled than to have him getting cowed by anyone. What I haven't done until now is nix the license indention. Let the opinions rip if you got 'em. Just don't remind me that the fenders are still black, I have that info. :lol: And I plan to do a rear view with tan fenders, another brand new edit from scratch.
Tag to the lower pan... 8)
6 taillights :?: :?:
Ahhhhhhhhh.... :? NO :!:
Oh ...I looked 5 times ...Do I get extra points :?: :lol: :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
I am with ya on tag to pan, but that pocketed tail panel was a choice early on so who knows but I'm gonna throw the thought on the porch to see if the cat licks it up.
Six tails wierd? Sure. :) Extra credit? OK, but for not re-posting the ugliest one. :wink:
Customer might like it but so as not to confuse or conflict, I'll filter it through the boss. 8) If he likes it, he can show it and thats been the deal all along. I had a strong will to use chevrons but CK's favorite lamp, sideways and in triplicate, is THE only one so far, in my opinion, that has anywhere near enough tail light for night driving in modern conditions.
I really like the 3 tail lights with the licence pocket version . It does not look like mustang but it does have a bit of a modern flair . The licence pocket gives a bit of balance to the 3 lights per side . I think the emblem is a nice touch .
That one with pocket didn't look as bad to me today. Mike liked my favorite, the one with tag in pan, but no emblem. We may be onto something but I haven't heard from the boss on it. Sent him all 3. I kinda hated to even rock that boat but tails are still undecided and I thought it may be strong enough to present as an option.
I am about to get some nuts and bolts for the rear access panel going-
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I agree with Mike but I am the guy with mustang tail lights in a 51 Ford. :) I thought sequential tail lights might be a nice touch. My thought was something of an early warning to people that this isn't your grandfather's model a. The modernizing of the rear causes me to wonder what can be done to the front to be congruent with the rear. I'm not that artistic so I'm of no help, period. :)
Thanks, KB for your thoughts. But what modernizing do you speak of, chrome exhaust tips? :?: Those are 41-8 Chevy lamps, the #1 most common lamp swap on traditional Model A hot or street rods according to my research. :) I don't guess I have to worry about the front. But that IS a guess.
I'm runnin a little hot today, pardon the snotty tone if there was one in that. Feeling some pressure on a non work related thing and am ready to yell. So I'll just post and GTFO. Stand by for a brief Rodder Fodder presentation. 8)
Did not make a single bolt hole. I lie like a mat. Made pieces on top of tub to fill gap in seal area of access panel, then made a tank house roof / nut strip under the between trunk hinges area.
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Down there where my safety glasses are needs a filler panel also, and some squares outside the floor rails, to finish off the tank compartment.
Pic below just shows the area from the front, down low. Barely got that big across piece tacked in before go home time.
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Heres the top of the Pantera right fender. Whatever they are sanding off makes me queasy when I smell it. Kids running DAs at full blast across the shop is headache material. I couldn't stand to watch / hear a rare car being stood on with an 8" mud hog using just the edge of the pad and finally showed the guy that air tools have throttles. We were two people short today, to boot. "Sick". When I'm sick, it never matters. I go and work. WTH?
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Boy I better just stop speaking this instant. :evil:
Heres the latest boss request, green wheels. He asked for it at 5:07 and got it at 6:20 and I had to drive home for an hour.
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Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Tag to the lower pan... 8)
6 taillights :?: :?:
Ahhhhhhhhh.... :? NO :!:
Oh ...I looked 5 times ...Do I get extra points :?: :lol: :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
Bob, you might do better not acting like your opinion is gospel. When I talk to people, I don't say "you should..." or "You need to..." I say I might or a guy could. IF thats what he is after. And I will be able to verbalize reasons. Thats something I don't believe you can do. You're being dogmatic and condescending when you say ah, no... and it is insulting. That can be a two way street if you wanna play in it. Your input has reduced value to me now because of your failure to justify remarks. If I wanted to be treated like a child because I am 52, I'd be at the hokey place. Think about it. Play nice.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Tag to the lower pan... 8)
6 taillights :?: :?:
Ahhhhhhhhh.... :? NO :!:
Oh ...I looked 5 times ...Do I get extra points :?: :lol: :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
Bob, you might do better not acting like your opinion is gospel. When I talk to people, I don't say "you should..." or "You need to..." I say I might or a guy could. IF thats what he is after. And I will be able to verbalize reasons. Thats something I don't believe you can do. You're being dogmatic and condescending when you say ah, no... and it is insulting. That can be a two way street if you wanna play in it. Your input has reduced value to me now because of your failure to justify remarks. If I wanted to be treated like a child because I am 52, I'd be at the hokey place. Think about it. Play nice.
Sorry ...as usual ...Just trying to be comical..... :oops: :oops:
Bob.. :wink:
Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "UGLY OLDS"Tag to the lower pan... 8)
6 taillights :?: :?:
Ahhhhhhhhh.... :? NO :!:
Oh ...I looked 5 times ...Do I get extra points :?: :lol: :lol:
Bob.. :wink:
Bob, you might do better not acting like your opinion is gospel. When I talk to people, I don't say "you should..." or "You need to..." I say I might or a guy could. IF thats what he is after. And I will be able to verbalize reasons. Thats something I don't believe you can do. You're being dogmatic and condescending when you say ah, no... and it is insulting. That can be a two way street if you wanna play in it. Your input has reduced value to me now because of your failure to justify remarks. If I wanted to be treated like a child because I am 52, I'd be at the hokey place. Think about it. Play nice.
Sorry ...as usual ...Just trying to be comical..... :oops: :oops:
Bob.. :wink:
When you have an opinion, you have a reason why. Please include that. Otherwise its actually more like training a puppy with newspaper swats to the snout. I don't learn that way and some days I would rather bite than whimper and tuck tail. So just yeah, put something with logic behind it with your yes or ah no. Again, we're cool just do that for me if you would. I'd appreciate it and I only need a brief word of 'splaining. Thanks.
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Woops, I found myself needing to attach nuts inside the hinge boxes. Tacked triangles in, drilled. Tore out, added nuts, reattached.
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Raised my arms in a V and yelled "BOLTED!!!" but nobody noticed. New guy thought it was a speaker enclosure.
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Made this filler for where the trunk pan drops at front-
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Boss man wants to explore using a 56 Ford pickup instrument cluster, center mounted. This is a reference shot for experiments (to be traced).
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Latest I heard on tires is rear width of 17.3" on some being looked at. Mainly drag tires, similar to what the yellow 68 Camaro got. Boss is pushing for Model A tail lamps and a classy look, possibly with contrasting gloss levels somewhere and some tan on the engine. :)
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I wondered what you were going to do with that . Looks like major surgery . Had the wheelwell shrunk or was that typical henry ford . My anglia had a variance of more than 1/8" on the thickness of the hood side reveal from one side to the other .
Both quarters have been folded and smashed in the past. There was a post months ago showing some of the differences with a paper pattern and I think it was last week I mentioned the tip of the side and wheel beads being much different. Nobody reads beyond one sentence per pic or retains any info previously given. Because it's nobody's car. Flaws and mistakes, whether actual or percieved, bring everyone out of the woodwork though. I moved the side / trunk bead tip down to match the tail panel and intend to just work my way up the problem area with unlimited butchering and quilting until a usable fit and shape is approximated. Then lop it off and make what is needed using the hacked chunk as reference. Nice as I know how.
This evening I began to explore the 56 dash thing. Took awhile but a bunch of cool ideas on that theme fell out of my head onto paper in a scribbly mess. Before I sack out, I gotta get a second draft going while its fresh. Had a couple zingers for the exterior also but I will see how those sound in the morning when I am fresh. Ish.
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I remember your post showing the problem with the p/s quarter . I have been waiting patiently to see how you tackle this one . As i have said before , you really should do a book some day . Repairs of this kind are what make some people abandon a project . I am gonna watch and learn ! then one day I may be able to get my T doors to line up :oops:
I thought the cuts in the quarters had to do with your boss's idea of what classy Model A tail lights would look like. I try to pay attention. GPster
I been slacking on narration. Boy am I a zombie today, whew. But guys, believe it or not, that quilt I have going is looking alright. I mean, making that piece would be a big job. Its looking like welding it up might fly. I just have to go where it leads me and let intuition reign. Later today, you'll see how its coming. Thanks for your comments and I'll try to keep the grouching down to a dull roar. :)
Quote from: "GPster"I thought the cuts in the quarters had to do with your boss's idea of what classy Model A tail lights would look like. I try to pay attention. GPster
That dash has duolamp shape all over it, don't it? The center pod sticks out.
You're doing fine, men. More observant than I would be, for sure.
Boy, howdy. (thats a complete sentence, in Texas.) :lol:
Maybe I ought to make a habit of stating the current mood in the subject line. :idea: So everyone can post at will rather than "at your own risk". If I didn't feel comfortable here, I wouldn't let the ups and downs show and give Bob a hard time randomly. Feel free to clown it up, yuk-yuck. Just know that at all times I welcome technical task comments and that I have always been awkward with praise. Honesty is what I expect, with respect. Don't be vague and do state the context so I don't get confused. Everybody is welcome and Frank's fuzzy yellow forum is my internet oasis. :)
That being said... we are back to boy howdy and my relieved old man finally sitting down sounds (Hooo! Pschhhh. Maaayun! Hmmph. Aaaaah. Etc.). Had sense enough to rustle grub before I sat down just now and when I get up next, I may just plop onto the bed. In any event, I will relish composing today's A work post. But I took a motherlode of pix to be sure theres a handful are good takes to illustrate the task clearly. Culling to do yet though. Not sure how my gumption will hold out so before I relax all the way plumb, here are the other stuffs :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
All Grand Prix, all the time :D They are just pure sexx, ain't they? ~:)
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Thats Super Betty and Betty, my twin black junks. On a calm, mid-60s° day. 8) I think each is remarkable in her own way.
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Theres the Mudstang as it stands. That new guy is just fine but is plagued by his personal vehicle scenario a bit, hurting attendance.
The Pantera has epoxy on by now. I'll have to stop wanting to call it a DeLorean. That new guy got his epoxy training today. He is eager, diligent, and reliable if he minds his blood sugar. Needs some metal prep technique coaching though and wow he spins tools fast. Makes us elders cringe.
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As a segway back to my stall, here is a Mini Cooper sedan that went home today after a collision repair. Posting it because when I showed Mike my dash sketch, he said I gotta go look at the dash-
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Well, I'll be. Definite dash arrangement similarities. :shock: Imagine that. Even more shocking was Mikey's like of my design. I may be improving. :D
Uh-oh. Bad things came up. Mental tidal wave. Mood is in smithereens. Staring at ceiling is probably all the rest I can get. Soon as I can fake "normal", I will continue. Just leave me be until I resurface, please. Thanks. :arrow:
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Good progress, I can't wait to see what you do next.
Quote from: "enjenjo"Good progress, I can't wait to see what you do next.
Thanks. Would you buy the patch panel, fabricate a new panel based on this quilt, keep going with the current method, or keep going until the shape is there then make and replace a section at a time going for fewer seams?
Making the whole part in one piece is above my pay grade.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "enjenjo"Good progress, I can't wait to see what you do next.
Thanks. Would you buy the patch panel, fabricate a new panel based on this quilt, keep going with the current method, or keep going until the shape is there then make and replace a section at a time going for fewer seams?
Making the whole part in one piece is above my pay grade.
I am not the person making decisions, but I think it would be cheaper for the customer to use a patch panel to replace as much as possible. Then fabricate whatever else is needed.
Quote from: "enjenjo"Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "enjenjo"Good progress, I can't wait to see what you do next.
Thanks. Would you buy the patch panel, fabricate a new panel based on this quilt, keep going with the current method, or keep going until the shape is there then make and replace a section at a time going for fewer seams?
Making the whole part in one piece is above my pay grade.
I am not the person making decisions, but I think it would be cheaper for the customer to use a patch panel to replace as much as possible. Then fabricate whatever else is needed.
The patch is a foot high and I wouldn't anticipate it matching right up to anything. Thats my thought. Really tough for me to advise, not having seen one. Knowing the quarter has been badly out of shape and banged on so much, up past a foot, really tough to say. My instinct is to be as mean to it as necessary until I have it fitting but rough, then to tidy up the area by making what sections of it I can for the fewest seams. My fear with getting the patch is that some elaborate moves might be required to match the looks of that sufficiently to the other side. In light of the difficulty of making any part of that bottom foot, unlike most pieces of cars, manipulating and splicing the existing then improving it via the quilt approach seems most logical from where I stand. Trouble is, the original beads and curves don't want to give without kinking. Thats why I just kept on cutting and moving bits of it. I can see me making the beads and the curved face parts seperately which is also a great deal of splicing. No easy way I can see.
Today freaked me out. Having a little trouble shaking off a metal shaping smirk. ~:)
On pure instinct, I grabbed the first flat scrap I saw. Big enuf? Yep. To the English wheel I went. A few halfhearted passes and hey, thats almost a fit. Ended up making just 3 trips. :shock: There were a few bites with the jaws then.
OK... next scrap goes in the brake, first this way then that, then loosely into the vise to flatten the sides about right. Tapped around with it on the anvil, then used mainly the shrinker to get a curve, and here was I-
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Overlapped them and cut off half the first piece-
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Remarkably small amount of drama thus far. :D
Ran the edge of my scrap through medium stepping dies on the bead roller-
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bzzt, bzzt-
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grind, grind... Hey! :-o :D Lays pretty good on there!
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Hacked out the quilt and sunk the patch and tacked it, bumped it around some, then cut out the bead section-
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To my amazement... I think I done good! So far, anyhow.
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I'm proud of you. :D I knew you could do it.
Quote from: "enjenjo"I'm proud of you. :D I knew you could do it.
Its a miracle that only good vibes from nail-biting forum well-wishers could cause. It seemed unbelievably easy. :)
Oh yeah, and... thanks Frank. 8) And everybody. For the kind words of support all along. :D :!:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: atta boy !
Wish I knew who got my metal files.
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Thats a roll pan end. Starting Pantera fender and rust Thursday. Boss sez "That'll give you a break.". Yeah, I might break. I hear a new fender is ten grand.
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I started the next piece, had some minutes left in the day. Hurried and messed it up.
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Looks good to me.
Thank you Frank. I stayed at it an extra hour before lunch break today just to be sure they were presentable. :wink: :)
They may not fit inside a perfect cube, but considering their position on the vehicle I felt that if the radius is about that consistent and the orientation of the bulge is reasonably matched... them dogs will hunt. No denying there will be mud fudge required for the wheel bead but not beyond whats to be expected on this specimen. I had left enough material to cautiously trim and do comparative checks to match them. Each took roughly the same time to make but that sneaking up on it process took maybe half as long as making one. Believe me, I've had my eyes peeled for a junk part I could scavenge for about a week but to no avail.
Saved the patch I started but goofed on yesterday, and got that smoked on. Tacked the pan caps, whacked the tire mount panel and cut metal for the pan and that was the day. If I feel froggy, I will see if Mike's slip roller will do anything with a 5x36" piece after I sand it in the morning. If no frog, brake bumps in the shop's kinda loosey goosey brake. Pantera work will start after the next A owner visit. Meanwhile, I'll try to make like downhill and run while the running is good. :arrow:
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If I get my hands on a metal file at any point, theres enough meat for improving the trunk bead. Did a full investigation today as to the whereabouts of mine, including toolbox searches and inquiries. One guy said you had two, didn't you and that makes him a suspect.
On the way home, I saw my choice of tires for it and a cheesehead far from home. Nobody here is from here. :lol: :roll: :arrow:
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NICE SAVE on that quarter panel !
Quote from: "chimp koose"NICE SAVE on that quarter panel !
Thank you sir. 8) I am not out of the woods just yet but I think I can hear city noises. :wink: :lol:
Mr. Malcontent here (me) wasn't quite satisfied with the trunk bead. Not squared or straight enough for me on the outside and it looked like it would require too much mud. So I was mean to it and went through in a few places but got the shape best I could, all around the area. The tip of the side indent is higher than on the other side but I think it will pass.
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So I called it touch up welding in the log book and now am convinced thats all I want / need to do there. Should have welded that from the inside in the first place but lazy hurry, etc. Looks satisfactory to me now.
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First thing I did today was bend the roll pan. With the shop's brake.
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That dog'll hunt, too. But it didn't stay clamped up long. The rear well portion of the trunk pan no longer matched height-wise. Meaning the trunk latch support would also require reconfiguration. So I hacked it out and reconfigured it to connect to the bottom of the tail panel. That leaves the roll pan hanging down by it's lonesome so that exhaust cutouts up to 2" tall could be added easily if desired. Didn't have to make anything, just added a step for plug welds at front of the well. It no longer hangs down past the frame. While I was there I made access holes for the shock mount bolts.
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So here is the current state of affairs.(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WG8H3kAEESI/XN39YCwLqaI/AAAAAAAAGkM/V9Y53NOP9XgYPQEBPo7HZnlCPYAg_MqngCLcBGAs/s1600/20190516_171558.jpg)
Got started making covers for the shock bolt holes but boss wanted out early... :D
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After my last cut of the week, the leftovers of the scrap I was using caught my eye-
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I could not resist, of course. :wink: :arrow: 8)
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Thats the trunk latch support at the revised height. Simple trim and re-bend in vise.
First objective was to prepare for some ergonomic mockery and style review next customer visit. More accidental symbolism. :-o :lol:
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I had just foraged in the scrap bin and slapped mockery bracketry in to hold stuff then made a throne and place for heel. The brake pedal has to go way left. The lever is made with a dogleg to the right which puts the gas pedal over the trans :?
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Come to think of it, I should mock up an armrest and handle too. :idea:
Heres a closer look at the DeTomaso on-deck project. :shock: :cry: :roll: :!: :?: The fender does not unbolt.
What say you... shaping project or bump and shrink? :?: :?: :?:
Penny for your thoughts, Bob. :)
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That Blazer I fixed rockers on looks fresh enough to eat off of-
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I just picture it full of college chix. :wink: O yea!
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There were four square and twenty... oops no four square Broncos on site today. Boss drove his green one, the orange plastic one is out back being built. These two from the grey room are Footloose's job that fell off a twin post and the ancient sideswipe Longhair is on-
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Paintar is making his way around the Cat in good time. Thats kinda exciting but the picture ain't.
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Oh and heres some idea how much funk was on the Pantera. Glad he switched from mud hog to razor blade! :roll: :idea: :arrow:
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Matt, Very nice fab work on the newer patch work on the A quarter panel. So what if there is slight variance side to side. You can only see one side at a time and from the factory they vary a lot! The roll pan is coming out great! Did you wheel the corner pieces or hand planish them?
moose
Quote from: "moose"Matt, Very nice fab work on the newer patch work on the A quarter panel. So what if there is slight variance side to side. You can only see one side at a time and from the factory they vary a lot! The roll pan is coming out great! Did you wheel the corner pieces or hand planish them?
moose
Thanks! That first quilt-looking mess on the quarter had to be there to hold things straight while I replaced it with better pieces.
The two pics above the first roll pan end pics show A: Started with english wheel. Making the deepest, smallest bowl I could. B: A piece of wood in the vise with mushroomed top which I used as a dolly for planishing.
There was also some use of the pointy end of the big anvil. The process varied from one piece to the other slightly but generally speaking it went something like this:
Select orientation of metal scrap, mark front on inside. Wheel, deeply in one spot as the corner bulge. Hammer over stick in vise, beginning to make L shape. A little shrinker jaws and vise bending around edges. More wheel. Make cut toward outside corner from near center. Hammer over stick and overlap where cut. Trim overlap, weld, grind. Planish over anvil tip. Wheel more. Eyeball lumpy spots and planish over stick and anvil as needed.
The one cut stage was when it starts looking like a pan end and the wheeling after that is when the shaper's smirk sets in. A guy could keep on going and perfecting way beyond where I stopped but I called it good at a sensible point in my mind. Spent not quite half a day making each end which seemed awful slow to me but it was fun. Boy was my bum wrist talking to me after all that, whew! The second end was done with a bit less hammer and more wheel. :wink: :idea:
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Woops, I posted the wrong version. Door panel tops are more finished. :arrow:
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I am not a big fan of those AC vents but the placement is on the right track. you might try them a bit lower.
Pan ends and tub humps stay on the quarters, center section of roll pan stays on tail panel until all the fitting is done and structure is primed.
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Took the tail panel off
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so I could finish the metal out easier and be sure it was still a rectangle from behind.
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Hey Mac's.... this came loose.
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Flattened the back corners of the trunk well pan-
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These go there-
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Learned from welding right on the step of that quarter trunk bead earlier.... I will slice quarter and tail panel and butt these stepped strips in instead-
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Makes fitting the panels easier with screws, too.
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Other stuff-
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Heres a car I worked on that got stashed in a barn afterward-
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I dunno. More Fords.
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This is the one with 'glass body shell-
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The A has left the building :-o
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I must have missed it, so OK, I'll bite; where's the A heading?
Quote from: "crdnblu"I must have missed it, so OK, I'll bite; where's the A heading?
Oh. I was working on it in the front building and another job "only" I needed to do came up, so we took it back to the second building back for Mike to have some time with it for things like exhaust. To study / figure / plan next steps with mechanicals while I fix the Pantera.
If you are just missing the daily updates to look at, see the "Pantera job" thread and follow the action there.
I hope to not be tied up on that job for many more days but always, I just go where the task leads me and do my best.
Thanks for asking! I did put a clue in the subject line of the last post. Finally figured nobody caught it.
That fastback is in primer now. I went to get the A back today but found out I'm not done with the Pantera yet.
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Those tub top braces seem to be all it needs. :)
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Now lets invent a groovy way to hold the fenders on-
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The fender now stands up straight and is secure. With decreased danger of cracking.
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Fortunately I contained R&D damage to one side.
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Still working on the weld there.
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Hoped I would not need to but did... have to extend the fender like the other side. Got that welded up and stopped there-
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Made the new left inner tub wall with plenty of overhang at the bottom for nice trimming later-
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I love a well built, full-fendered car.
Thanks. Where did you see one? :wink:
Murmurs about rubber bands are all my telepathic powers were picking up on. :lol:
Next time nobody is looking, I'm hacking up a fender. :)
Did you guys get a load of that tire size? Dadgum! :shock: The tubs swallow 'em right up though.
Trunk is pretty much squared away at this point. I do have the left roll pan end tacked up as well.
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Added some flange to the left rear fender also, to make it work like the other side. Just nuts and bolts for now.
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So I moved up front and created a firewall. I predict that this will end up actually being an inner firewall. I intend to make five strips to complete the area: two cowl front edges with seal bed, and two vertical and one horizontal fillers between wall and cowl edges. My design will allow the firewall's fore/aft position to be adjusted by moving screw holes if needed by Mike. Here is the basic wall in my proposed position.-
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Is the double firewall for component hiding or heat control?
Component hiding, main concern being the trans controller and it's wiring.
In the current position, it is far enough forward to allow a medium sized A/C box. That leaves 3" of space out front, to the hood seal line. The store bought and now cut up firewall's ribbed top section fits my plan as a removable cover. I will go for a finished cowl and leave the firewall as movable as possible because I suspect that the angled part of that top part will need some bumps or notches at least,. If he even uses it at all.
Ignore the bolts and clamp but this is the part I mean, in black.
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I don't have a pic with it bracketed in there but it sits just against the knee in the brake pedal lever. I don't plan to attempt a toe board now but could build one to suit. Leaving Mike as many options as possible. Any bracing I build up there would be in the way of something. He just couldn't get going without knowing where the firewall is so I am providing a launch pad for the thought process and just finishing cowl reconstruction.
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I really like the way the tubs have been installed and braced to the body. You'll end up with a much stronger, more solid car than the originals.
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I took a stab at stance, for customer visit purposes. About to cut a rear fender.
What do you think? :?:
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I like that 8)
Cool. 8) Boss does too, so yay! :D Car owner will probably go for that, we hope.
It is a little easier to picture now. :wink: :arrow:
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nice work 8) 8)
Thanx, man. 8)
I got it welded up and partly dressed but forgot to get a pic this afternoon. Made weld-in fender nuts and got one side in on those. Boy, did the customer like the fender. :D a LOT!
Also, I know what the tail lights will be. When you check the other thread again you'll see what distracted me as far as picture taking.
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fenders are perfect
Nice flow to the fenders. Great length removed!
I found that square nuts work great for welding on as blind nuts. The corners are far enough out the minimize distortion of the threads an dwide enough not to need the extra backer.
Thanks :!: 8) Yeah I just didn't have to go anywhere to get those nuts. Ordered body bolts for the fenders, too.
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Just a quick nasty photo edit here :arrow:
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I didn't have any pictures worth a flip today but I'll tell you...
I found my right bottom rear fender lip was a lot wider than the other and from there the measurements thing snowballed. I re-thought my reference points and ended up with 18 1/2" from tub inner wall to fender lips all around. I had referenced quarters for fender depth up to this point but now have all slots on the fenders and the tilt has been corrected. Straightedge across fender lip with tire also against it leaves an inch on the inside now.
So I am gaining on it but this is complex. Never fear, just check back here. :wink: :arrow:
Also, the taller crown on top of the left fender has to come down to match the right.. Gosh I wish there was some romance to toss in with all this adventure but nope, just more weight on the pull sled. Work to do. Still having fun doing it, just gotta think every so often. :idea:
8) Hang loose. Catch you cats on the flipside. Oh my speaking of which the Cat frame has more goodies on it every time I walk by. Just ain't walked by with my phone yet.
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8) 8) 8)
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Too much crown on top of the left fender when viewed from rear, in comparison to the right. So-
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Job for Monday there. :roll: :arrow:
Fastback has final urethane primer on it now. No after pic yet, he was hosing when I split. :P
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Thats my artistic license plate to go with the army theme thing. Hope they like it. Made more sense with the quad .50 crosshair style wire spark arrestors in the tips but they kept disappearing when I resized. Hey, bayonet lugs and flash supressors, yeah! :D
Not. :roll: :lol: Yes, thats a tan pumpkin.
I like the last one the best.
Quote from: "enjenjo"I like the last one the best.
I think everyone will. Thank you, sir... for your valued opinion 8) You're the one who said widen, and wow people online and in person are blown away by how it turned out. Much obliged.
Could not resist changing the tag up. From that angle, it had the "Back Off!" mudflap's dual six gun attitude. I also thought of putting "1OFOURS", to be read as "One of ours" but it just reads "ten fours".
I need to see the color in person but I like the more authentic, well-worn look of the green. If I can get smoother gradated tones, I'll start calling them renderings and sign them. I am just glad we are moving away from the old Explorer EB paint scheme. I think a white body line pinstripe may be in order, not sure until I see a sprayout.
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This strip fits a template made from the right side-
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Looks like it might work. :)
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The fenders match up now. Found an issue with the left quarter (pancaked by a fender hit at some point) that has eluded me and it affects this. So started to correct it. The left quarter outside the trunk bead and above the main body bead has a much tighter radius than the left and thats been the source of much optical confusion. Stared at it holding up a stir stick and with matched fenders and finally saw it. Aha! :) Fixing it may help other misunderstood mysteries come to light. The path becomes clearer. And longer. :arrow:
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When I said the fenders match up in the last worded post, I spoke only to the contour of the top, viewed from rear at any distance and height, approximately and solely by my judgement.
I proceeded to the 2" 36 grit twist lock disc stage on the outside, then removed the fender to grind the weld smooth on the inside because planishing is needed-
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While it was off, I notched the roll pan for fender and tub in this side. Also removed the reinforcing strip temporarily to allow marking locations of washers under fender bolts inside the adjusted fender. To provide adequate length of slots, I welded shims to the fender as shown-
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With those things being done, I installed and adjusted the fender then got in 3 or four minutes of dolly and slapper time and one additional minute with bald 80 DA so you could better see how it looks. Couldn't get around the glare very well-
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I have not reassessed the contour being corrected. In addition to the quarter panel shape issue, one fender may need to have the lip cut off and reattached lower or higher to match the "wheel gap" around the tire. Theres around a half inch difference to the best of my reckoning at this time.
Welp, Mike says it looks much better so yay. Bumping it all back into shape after welding was a fun challenge but the question of whether I had removed the right amount of metal was a nail biter clear up to the end. Right now it feels good to a weary hand. What a relief! All the credit goes to my trusty rounded anvil dolly, what a lifesaver it was on this.
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Much better this combo! Possibility or just wishful thinking?
Its a joke, thats the 15" wheels off my car and some of the color from it, overlaid on a previous edit. I started from scratch on a new elk point green version yesterday.
Heres another quickie done for a friend yesterday, using an old edit on a new background. Primer on salt.
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This is the first edit I feel OK calling a rendering. Its my best yet but could be refined further given more time. Figured if I want to do more of these I had better kick out one at full quality and I learned a lot making this image. Many hours invested. Hope it appears somewhat professional on the world's array of different device displays. Shown at about half of actual size.
Elk Point Green is an original color and I have represented it to the best of my ability here. Tried to make it look kinda shiny which is no picnic.
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Fenders compare OK, lip location looks fine-
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Extending the flange on the right side, ready to bolt up and recheck-
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Did get the Wheel Fit device mounted in a back tire, and it is looking like around 6" back space is the ticket but have only tried it on the left side so far-
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Since nobody likes that one, its the look we will use.
With
http://www.haganauto.com/product_p/hdh2832.htm
and
http://www.haganauto.com/product_p/45tdc.htm
Working on this corner now-
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I dont remember , do you have a hood or are you making one ?
Quote from: "chimp koose"I dont remember , do you have a hood or are you making one ?
The white one I have been using is on loan from Mike. New one should be just like it.
Today I heard they make the hoods to order. Meaning three weeks out. :roll: :(
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The powers that be all liked the sound of my idea about using a Model A shaped grill opening in a deuce shell.
Is it worth rendering or does it sound bad to your imagination?
Seen one done that way?
Thanks. :) :idea: :arrow:
Scratch that last question, men. I shouldn't ask such things. The answer is far too complex with a TCI frame. In a nutshell, the entire car has to be finished and put together before fabricating brackets to mock up a grille shell position. Only then, when the finished car's appearance sans radiator can be unanimously approved by at least four people from a distance of fifty feet or more, can a radiator be designed.
Pfft. When I started this, everyone said the build starts at the radiator. :roll: :? :shock:
Make my rod just muscle, thats seriously ridiculous.
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Ho hum :roll:
Yea, naw... this new hot rod grille shell don't go on cars with frames :roll:
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Six inches backspace rather than five, on the rear. A bit much depending who you ask. I would split the difference and say 5.5" but that would be on an 18" wide rim. If that exists.
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Lets see who is awake... this queen size crate came in today-
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Who dat's fuh? Fu dis-
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I don't know if the new chassis is here yet or not but that is probably my next victim. :) Good to see, I was wondering.
There goes my engine. :)
Quote from: "kb426"There goes my engine. :)
Swap out your blue one for a RoadRunner, you'll catch it. :lol:
meep meep phbbbbt! :-}
These fender bolt hole reinforcement strips are done now, just not welded because quarters are still just tacked to the tubs.
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Initial lay-on of hood and grille shell looked yuck. Not enough hood.
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First things being first, I jacked the front up until the pillar was vertical then matched shell angle to that. Fixed with quickie brackets. Put me at 33" cowl-to-shell.
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Went to get the shop camera, saw that the 3 - way hood latch setup just came in. Woohool
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I dumped the box just to get at the prize inside. This image somehow helped me to not mentally veer off course. Whew!
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Extended brackets 2" rearward, tacked some tabs to hold the hood up where a seal would and voila... this looks not so bad. Happy day! I can work with this.
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Of course the mysteries did not all simultaneously unravel but I am confident. Glancing at it with the aforementioned grille shell modification that kind of says model B from the side and A from the front... is feasible. I think I will try a miniature in clay to see if I like the look. Pretty much just slicing off the pointy parts of the deuce shell and making it flat there with a small radius then filling in at bottom for a flat line then mocking the flat '31 top insert seamlessly. :idea: :? :roll: :wink: :lol: :arrow:
Working on fitting the new hood. Not there yet. Working on it.
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Gas door and neck-
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Took out the front body mount bushings, as it should be. Made a stand to hold hood front height in alignment with the car (per eyeballing bead with straightedge). Hood points left. Trimming right rear corner to sneak up on center. Bends on either side of front center do not match, making the shell sit way left. Working on it. Mike now says these fenders are 28-9. :roll: That ship sailed, buddy!
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Footloose did a bang-up job on hood gaps for the fastback. Its a fiberglass hood.
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The radiator hole is crooked in the stamping. The center of the hood rear / cowl front gap needs to be pushed up but it is right over the fuel rail. Todays accomplishment was straight side beads with upright grille, centered. Trimming of hood rear edge was done to point it straight ahead, and some re-arching at the front to follow the grill more flush. Hood comes double layered at front and rear edges with spotwelded strips and I believe the whole thing is cold rolled 16 gauge.
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Good, clean fun. :)
Unscrewed the firewall, took it out, used a friction jack to squeeze the back of the hood. Didn't take much to bring the middle up just right-
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Mike had a stare and didn't say a word. Thats probably good. He could move the engine and trans back four fingers as far as I am concerned. Limiting factor is gas pedal location.
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Saw the horn and old headlights today. Wondered if the S/C air intake could look sorta like a dual horn. :idea:
Made another strip to extend the rear hood seal bed and connect firewall and cowl, and to retain the corrected shape. Reshaped the existing forward facing flange to match, tacked it all in.
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Made stiffer grille shell mockup brackets-
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Still wide at the left rear hood corner, I'll add there or trim more the rest of the way across. This area on the right side needs a bit of recontouring.
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Took a couple minutes to play with the gas flap-
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Hope you guys have all recovered fully from the Nats. Playing for an empty house here. KB, heres another one. Probably much easier to catch than WZ's Junk will be. ;) 460 in 70s F250, long cab and with swap to some gigantic trans that requires crossmember area mods to fit and clear. :shock:
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We're here, Matt. We were taught to be quiet during class. :)
Well I've got no class. And I've got no principals. I can't even thinkofaword that rhymes 8) School's out for ever! :lol:
Seems remedial as a nut on a string but heres how I marked the back of the hood for trimming in the most accurate way I know of:
Bridge uneven gap with 3/4" tape, burnish with finger-
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1/4" tape follows the cowl edge-
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Snap knife and flexible straightedge, in this case a scrap with sheared edge... cutting at the hood side of the green tape-
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Peel and spray with contrasting brand of engine color- :lol:
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Peel and trim. Marking close to an edge sucks. I can't see scribed lines well enough. :shock:
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It can be tough to get a sufficiently precse mark when the line hops on and off an edge. This is just one way. I removed the hood to trim it. It might need another go, we'll see. :arrow:
A little trick for you. Clamp a piece of angle iron on the edge where it goes off the panel, and grind to the angle iron. You can even use spacers under the angle iron if you hold the grinder flat on the angle.
Quote from: "enjenjo"A little trick for you. Clamp a piece of angle iron on the edge where it goes off the panel, and grind to the angle iron. You can even use spacers under the angle iron if you hold the grinder flat on the angle.
Nifty. The spacers are for curved stuff like this hood, then? Few inches at a time. :?:
I am using a 3" twist lock disc on a 2" pad with a used 3" cutoff wheel sandwiched between them, on a straight die grinder. Not my preference but fairly accurate if I can see the line. If it weren't double layered I normally use a 4" cutoff wheel to even things up. If my 5" grinder worked, I know I could use the angle iron on a straight place and be done in a hurry. I need to buy some more crapola files for fine tuning, mine are officially nowheresville. :?
Seen one like this? Is it yuck or what?
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Not sure on that look , but I have never seen one like that. Give it a whirl , I have never seen A tail lights grafted into the rear fenders either and they turned out great. My only concern with the deuce to A grille is how you transition from the round to flat front with out it looking sawed off . Maybe you diminish the center peak to nothing before it gets to the flat front A part ,or think about a hood ornament that would be a statement piece .
Quote from: "chimp koose"Not sure on that look , but I have never seen one like that. Give it a whirl , I have never seen A tail lights grafted into the rear fenders either and they turned out great. My only concern with the deuce to A grille is how you transition from the round to flat front with out it looking sawed off . Maybe you diminish the center peak to nothing before it gets to the flat front A part ,or think about a hood ornament that would be a statement piece .
The deuce shell sides should be fine all the way down to where the lower insert begins on a '31. Then down there where it curves forward (way less than a 33-4 does), The rounded shape at bottom of shell, viewed from front, is same or close. I really meant to get the A and B shells in a comparo pic side by side. Just forgot. Once done, the top area looks for all practical intent and purpose just like a '30 shell only all the sharp angles are gone. Heck, Mike likes the idea but can't quite envision it as I do, and honestly the sketch is to show to him and Gary to see if the idea is adequately conveyed short of doing a photo edit. I do not foresee an edit being simple, nor showing the look accurately. The car owner will likely visit this week and as you'll see in the next post, its not so tough to imagine after making a mark for the proposed "bob job" on top of the deuce shell.
I am not going to push the idea, it can totally wait. I confirmed today that we plan to go with no headlight bar. That is against us builders' preference and with owner and boss man's. We would like a dropped bar. Going without compounds the difficulty and practicality of several other things. Mike was relieved a bit when I told him I thought the mill could go four fingers farther back, though. But he is adamant about not cutting the grille yet, saying the little point on top front of the deuce shell may be room he can't do without. Thats fine, I just had an idea that got liked so I tried to whip out a quick visual. No big whoop. You lay rubber in your old pickup yet?
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Here is that mark for the flat front and it is approximate.
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Here is the old grille screen which I think would look good in black or chrome, with rad core face also black. And thin chrome strip to outline. Or actually a variant of that which is tougher to explain. More A looking than a cut and flattened deuce grille which has depth and two horizontal fin holding bars. We ain't building an A that wants to be a '32, I vote for hugging the Model A image tightly... but cleanly.
If we end up bobbing the shell... and none of you guys say "Hey, I've seen one like that!"... theres a possibility that... heaven forbid... I may have found something new under the sun. On a Model A? I'd be proud of that!
The dark metal behind the screen is just to help the screen show up. Notice painted posterboard upper insert indicating shape of top of proposed opening. Bottom of shell would be chopped off and shaped with new metal or reconfigured existing bits for the A shape.
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The deuce shell conflicts with whatever this center piece is called-
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Roughly notched fender brace. Some relieving of fender also may not be required on all builds but this one seems to need some to not lay against the control arm shaft. I cut one fender for that. Also, the grille shell will require trimming for the fender to pass under the edge of it.
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Same place, other side, with first try at reinforcing tacked. First piece. Its a little too tall yet, barely.
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Right rear tire's view, looking forward. I scored and folded the apron down short of the frame rail. Will probably get cut off. Left the front few inches where it shows and has the front body mount hole through it. My intent is to attach aprons to floor rails, don't see a need to sandwich them between body and frame.
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Fore/aft body placement appears to have been spot-on. Woo hoo! I am now ready to stick RR fender back on and get it all bolted then finish the Sonic side. :wink:
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Theres some grill comparison shots, FWIW. I'm about to trim this apron same spot as the other-
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Can't find the dadgum running boards or they would be hung, too.
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I like it so far.
Glad of it, I'm hogging your forum.
On the left apron inner edge I scored and folded it over flat so it can be it's own reinforcement and drilled a row of 1/4" holes 4" apart but did not attach it there yet.
Do you guys know how to run fenders without a headlight bar?
I'll take that as a collective no. All I find on web is one guy who gusseted one side of the fender braces. I don't think that is enough. Its like building a car while marooned on a deserted island with rocks and sticks. Was there a "lets stop using RRT" discussion I missed at the nats or something?
I will engineer something. Nobody is gonna like it.
Whoa! Whoa! Give us a chance to think a bit. My first thought is a more substantial fender brace, possibly incorporated into the fender. The original brace depends on the light bar for triangulation to support it, and you would lose that. I will do some more thinking.
Quote from: "enjenjo"Whoa! Whoa! Give us a chance to think a bit. My first thought is a more substantial fender brace, possibly incorporated into the fender. The original brace depends on the light bar for triangulation to support it, and you would lose that. I will do some more thinking.
Thanks. I am thinking pitch the stock brace below where the HL bar was. Figured with as many as there are running around that way, there would be a common solution. But then this is an aftermarket frame. Don't knock yourself out, I have some ideas brewing and no materials to consider using. Mostly my thoughts are of mounting points in the suspension attachment areas and frame horn. Assuming nothing can be visible that a stocker does not have. On top of that, customer now states it is to be a daily driver. Probably will want to be able to sit on the fender. So I am also considering an incognito wheelhouse of sorts to protect fender behind wheel and that it could serve as part of the solution. Some of my thoughts use the motor plate type design.
Frank, my brain did the switch flip to disagreeable yesterday. Randomly and earlier in the week than usual. I don't have control of it but usually switch back in a couple days. Thanks again for your patience. Now giddyup.
I cleaned up the firewall and stuck it back in, trimmed driver door interference at apron. Today so far.
my 26 T has no headlight bar , as stock . In 27 they went back to using one as a result of ripping fenders . Considering the roads or lack of , in those days it doesn't surprize me . I will not be using one and will be using one extra attachment bolt than stock . If I need to strengthen the bracket I could box it in . Check out MTFCA web site for pictures of T fender braces . You should try finding 26 T non headlight bar lights . One year only piece and only 93 years old ! I lucked out at a swap meet years ago
Just a thought . Would you consider mounting the lights from the sides of the rad shell ala some fenderless roadsters ? You could hide some beefy mounts .
It took awhile but I figured out a brace. The thing is too three dimensional and complex for others to concern themselves with, not being there. Mike is on board with my concept though, I made certain of that. We also spoke of a fender shield. While I studied the car, an idea for slicker and sturdier running board brackets also hatched but has been discarded.
This cardboard strip represents the location of a forward brace made of tubing. It won't go that high but will connect to the stock brace at approximately the old light bar's bottom bolt hole location. Top section of old brace stays and another top extension may be added to another planned tubular vertical leg behind the suspension, which connects to a plate bolted to the side of the frame rail like this one does at the horn. Then a link will connect the fore and hind legs plus possibly also the clearanced stock brace. Above the shock tower. No rubbing allowed but no wheels to check with. All removable, two pieces per side. 14 ga 1x2" tubing is the choice made for this, along with much thicker mount base. For now, cardboard.
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Here is the passenger door to apron gap-
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Here is the trimmed for function and silver paint marked for final trimming with it off the vehicle... driver's door. I did run a couple screws through to the floor rail, attaching the folded edge of the apron below this spot. Nothing changed. The corner was scraping. Now it does not-
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This shows how the salvage engine seems to be mounted too far forward-
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This shows (yellow pencil marks) the visible collision damage to the front of the engine. Valve cover, throttle motor, water pump, crankshaft pulley. Mike had not noticed this and is very concerned about damage to the crankshaft and other engine parts-
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These are my preparations for gas flap discussion with the car owner-
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This is a mockup of my drip rail tuck-
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This is weatherstripping for the perimeter of all apertures and possibly hood. I wrote down specs, boss got this.
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Looks like we did fine. Here is an A pillar sample-
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Trunk sample-
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I like the looks of the fastback color so far-
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Mike's world today-
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Quote from: "chimp koose"Just a thought . Would you consider mounting the lights from the sides of the rad shell ala some fenderless roadsters ? You could hide some beefy mounts .
Whatever they choose for headlights is what I will construct, install, or render for evaluation. Same with grille, I will have no further involvement until decisions are made and parts are had. Boss was web shopping for ideas yesterday on grille and lights. Customer had shown us a pic of a black deuce by Foose which had what he wanted. Everyone wants to control the decisions for him. I create and offer options that I am able to. I just want to provide the tools to help them decide, if needed. I have thrown out all my ideas and dumped much, much precious personal time over it but by default all that gets is glance-and-ignore, at best. Just like on forums. So they can just catch up to me. You all are free to speculate to your heart's content. I have learned to avoid having a preference, but if parameters are rough I have always just filled in the blanks. I have shown and told you guys everything so far. I am just waiting to have the next visit so that I can tear it all apart and begin finishing the build. :arrow:
How about two braces in a V or H shape with the wide part of the V at the frame, or two seperate braces in front of, and behind the tire?
Quote from: "enjenjo"How about two braces in a V or H shape with the wide part of the V at the frame, or two seperate braces in front of, and behind the tire?
OK. Please read first two paragraphs and see first picture in post made earlier this evening. Thanks.
I am probably over the grumpys for this week, they wore off around mid-day. :)
This morning I asked boss for tubing. Then yanked all the blue taped pads outta the jambs and used up that roll of weatherstrip replacing them with 2" pieces. Trunk is delightful to operate and doors are pretty nice too but I had to tweak adjustments on them for a spell to make that so. I will be chasing those until the bitter end. But at some point I just grabbed the B pillar and shook the car on the suspension for whatever reason. That made me smirk, it is downright megalithic. :D
I wanted the owner to be able to play with doors and trunk and be reassured if so. So I added some wire latch pulls to the doors-
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Our man with the tubing got back about then, so I set about the task of cleaning it and preparing my work area...
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...with a little help-
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Loaded up a fresh wheel, got the extra frame support from the Cat out, for making base plates-
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Got my before pic-
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Went to lunch. Got back and remembered I wanted to throw the tank house walls in and zip bolts in. Well, that last round of left tub work changed the fit on the rear one. Ended up breaking the last bolt with my 3/8" Earthquake air ratchet. :roll:
So I stopped and quit burnin fender brace daylight. Got 2-3 hours in on that. What do you get when you stomp an H or invert a V?
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An A, of course. :) Frank, you do qualify for a tasty chicken dinner. Ding ding ding!
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Where'd it go? :?
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That should serve as a start. It was fun but tubing is hard for me yet. Heres a treat for good ol CK that I had no part in-
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It may not have alpha jewels boat flake on yet but mmm mmm thats a good blue. Candylike. :shock:
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Today's stuff is tough to spot. Not much to show or tell.
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The mustang will make the owner very happy. :)
Quote from: "kb426"The mustang will make the owner very happy. :)
Blue and white is a winner. :)
Second design, fender brace-
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I really like what you're doing with those braces, should have plenty of strength while remaining mostly hidden.
I like that Mustang a lot. Great color, great car.
my first car was a 65 mustang fastback , i painted it electric blue . It was in national dragster in july 83 . i miss that car
Quote from: "chimp koose"my first car was a 65 mustang fastback , i painted it electric blue . It was in national dragster in july 83 . i miss that car
Boy I bet you do! Mom had a plain 35,000 mile 200 CID auto and all manual coupe, gold /gold w blk stripe and under dash A/C. Around 1982-3. Don't miss it but do miss the times had within. I used it for dates with the snooty high school chicks, but the interior wasn't very roomy. When Mom met Dad she had a Borgward. You can guess easy what brand he had.
Have you ever seen a fastback Cougar? Those have potential. :shock:
Quote from: "jaybee"I really like what you're doing with those braces, should have plenty of strength while remaining mostly hidden.
I like that Mustang a lot. Great color, great car.
Thank you on the bracing, I had a mental block going on the design. The first one is what happens when you really need a vacation and gotta force an idea out. I am pretty happy with what I have to show you next but not so much about the time involved. Sometimes it be's thataway.
I like how the fastback color appears to be a reddish hue. Wonder if the pearl is gold or green, or just blue. Its candy-like. Might be what I'd have called dark royal blue in the past. That one is maxed on budget, so boss was deliberating how to finish out the paint work exactly. Glad I am an employee! :!:
mustang fastback IS roomy , you fold down the rear seat , slide the buckets all the way back and fold them forward . Bring a pillow to cover the console and for talking later :D
It took days for me to figure out what this piece looks like. K.I.S,S. :roll:
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It goes here, as left front fender brace reinforcement-
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This little tacky dude in the spotlight is the hero-
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The brace needed a small extension and relocation at bottom, and since no headlight bar will be used up top, I swiped one of the old hole reinforcements and stuck it on the side-
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This plate is in the way a little bit. It was the first thing tacked to hold the added length-
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Gonna slice this patch down the center, trim, make other side fit, then add edges. Then take the first piece off and go from there :arrow:
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Heres the other hero in this story, the far end. You can see how I slit and manipulated it. To be welded...
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Quote from: "chimp koose"mustang fastback IS roomy , you fold down the rear seat , slide the buckets all the way back and fold them forward . Bring a pillow to cover the console and for talking later :D
Fer dat... I had a 75 Nova hatchback at the time, and the main she had a Sunbird hatch. :wink:
Oh my. :twisted:
Oh and I edited that reply a couple times :-o
Like that brace.
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slick and tidy! 8)
Glad you guys approve of the end result 8) They could actually be welded at the Y because unbolting the assembly and tilting it forward to remove it is possible from the front. All I did to these leftys was weld that one last pesky spot I forgot, at a bolt hole.
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Whittlin' away at a righty-
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I have been matching heights at the carriage bolt on the fender lips. Which of these 3 points is the primary one to match sides on?
:?: Highest point on top of fender
:?: Lowest point of tip at front edge of fender
:?: The carriage bolt attaching fend to brkt
:? :idea: :arrow:
Both bolts are 38" off the floor here, with frame level. Mght be an inch difference at the tips. Tops eyeball OK, I think. :) Beat on tips?
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No takers? :?
Just pictures then, easier for me to just let you ask if you wonder. :arrow:
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I like the flair on the hood side openings 8)
It took a lot of pondering to make something that looks that simple but fits so well.
Quote from: "chimp koose"I like the flair on the hood side openings 8)
Thought you might. :wink: Traced a 67 Mustang quarter and the height was just right. For the right side anyway, with whats there now parts-wise.
Quote from: "jaybee"It took a lot of pondering to make something that looks that simple but fits so well.
I wanted to do the reversed Mustang scallop shaped cutout the whole time so it was quite pre-meditated but only in mental format. Sure was pleased to see it and have it be a cinch to mock up. Only one guy looked at it and his reaction was same as everyone gave to the fender bob. Bad- ***!!! :!:
The fender braces were a prime example of non-pre-meditated endeavors.
Some of you may remember forgetting the four hood side variations I rendered in March. Thats a grand total of seven choices offered by me plus the smooth side with enormous funky shaped teardrop from Mike. Somebody ought to be able to say which dadgum kind of hood seal, rubber or cloth, will be used! I need to complete a cowl flange!
As soon as I had the Mustang hood side mocked up, I sent boss a pic and he said "I think thats headed in the right direction.". He had expressed interest in a simple slot as shown in the Pfaff rendering, so I included that in the cardboard set. Doesn't work out like the picture, but there are a lot of variables as in incomplete driven accessory set and final engine location, that I cannot know but that may affect any of the designs.
However, the last cardboard one could be turned to metal immediately if chosen, and does provide the option to add closed side panels simply later if desired. So I consider that the small fry choice to watch for, since it is cheap to make and picking it moves the job along. Compared to fabricating the Mustang sides, yessir. I don't think anyone has any interest in the rainy day hole inserts, but those could be fiberglass and could be vented at bottom were a couple additional thoughts. The covers might not appear so nonsensical if done in black, or if chrome 5.0 emblems were on them.
I pretty much don't do well in any other aspects of life, so I stick with this because its fun thinking sometimes and hitting on success now and then. Here are the first four ideas I threw out, but I banished the Mustang one initially because of how the Mustang interior was recieved. Owner loved it, Gary and Mike tolerated those as cute jokes not worthy of serious consideration. Respectfully, I and the car owner were "humored". I'd bet you a can of bondo that if the owner sees the Mustang hood side he will react the same way he did to the back fenders. All over it. :)
I'd also wager that no design which comes from me will be accepted by those two, on hood sides. Watch and see. It ain't my aim to claim fame but everybody is a bump on a log until hey man... theres no other work I can do around the unmade decisions without knowingly throwing away labor. At this rate, I will only be involved in eight or ten more builds before I am used up. Provided I don't give out first.
My favorite is the top one and I still think its a solid choice.
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I'm a huge fan of that reversed Mustang side scallop look. I don't recall ever seeing anything like it, the thing fits the engine perfectly, it looks very aerodynamically sound as an extractor vent...I really think it has everything going for it.
Quote from: "jaybee"I'm a huge fan of that reversed Mustang side scallop look. I don't recall ever seeing anything like it, the thing fits the engine perfectly, it looks very aerodynamically sound as an extractor vent...I really think it has everything going for it.
Thanks. I like it too, it IS a good fit there. Speaking in terms of height of the stock scallop vs hole height needed. The flared front shape may help facilitate accessories. I have a supicion that Mike may have moved the engine Friday. Fingers crossed! :)
I put this hub bearing in my daily driver's compressor pulley oh, about a year ago. Thats how long they last, or so the parts lady told me when I got it. She meant it. Went up in smoke last week. :shock: :arrow:
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Worked on that for an hour or so last night, ended up running out of posting time. :roll:
Been working out left running board fit, and got fenders tucked under the grille shell now.
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Emblem thoughts-
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Mike liked the Mustang hood side like a bowl of Life. He told me that on the driver's side, the offending bolt boss down low will be lopped off of the head, and the wire clip up high goes away also. With that new information, I made one with the smallest hole possible-
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I couldn't stand it for long... that morphed into this-
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Which also has potential. Could have a just about flat grille, screen, or cover-
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As if that weren't enough to upset the apple rodder cart, step around front-
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I'd like to see the fender tips bobbed enough to bring that back about an inch. It could flow right into the rolled fender ftont edge contours at angles like that last pic. This was just a quick, rough interpretation of an even rougher thought. As it developed I just thought hey I'll notch it do the fender edge kinda grows out of this bumper thingy. If I could slice and lay the fender edge rods back starting about half a foot up, the odd angle view cpuld have a line flowing all the way across, visually. I don't have a speakable opinion on chrome or painted. Depends, I guess.
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Thank you for your patience, heres an elCo bed and fastback with some parts hung.
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Forum purrs like a kitten, thanks Frank. 8)
PS, the engine hasn't moved. It might, but if so, more like an inch. :arrow:
My thoughts: It's a model A; trying to make any parts "swoopy" kind of takes away from the charm of the older body style. Simple rolled edges should suffice; no need for flairs, or numerals, to detract from from the clean lines that you have created, IMHO.
Quote from: "crdnblu"My thoughts: It's a model A; trying to make any parts "swoopy" kind of takes away from the charm of the older body style. Simple rolled edges should suffice; no need for flairs, or numerals, to detract from from the clean lines that you have created, IMHO.
So thats a vote for plain holes in hood sides (with rolled edges) and no cattle catcher? My thought is that with no bumper, the protruding sheetmetal appears unfinished. Mike wants a plain long bumper if it gets one. But it won't get anything, if I had to make a prediction. The bumper mock up really doesn't make the part below the grille look any less crappy to me as I had hoped. Tore it off this AM, didn't throw it away. I tried what I could think of. In my opinion what it might be (for others) wise to consider is just something that looks like a deuce spreader bar. I don't like the idea of wheels and tires being the first thing destroyed in an impact, and I think full width bumpers jab tires when hit. Neither is good. In toward the center, control arms being the actual roadkill interface object has little appeal as well. You gotta be able to steer after a small impact.
Now lets see... tapered top chop, smooth deuce shell, fender bob, flush gas flap, roll pan, flush shaved doors with hidden hinges, tucked drip rails, ribbed roof insert, shaved trunk, inset tail lights, motorcycle headlights, headlight bar delete, both bumpers and spare tire delete, smooth running boards, smooth cowl top with no seams, tail panel with no seams, flush stationary windshield, rumble seat delete, wheel tubs, modern chassis for altered stance...
Which among those belong on the flares and lettering aisle? I am assuming you meant stuff from the last couple days, you weren't specific.
The two (of four required) pitted running board brackets I have, that were on the car, aren't long enough at either end and interfere with the aprons. Nobody I asked about it was willing to go more than a minute before saying just make some. I will. While I waited for feedback on what to do, I started on the gas flap task. Didn't get very far but stuck with that for today.
Made a metal tater chip to practice with so hopefully can use the actual cutout as the door. Set the supplied hinge bracket aside after try #1. Try 2 in progress with brackets made of scrap and not to a point of being in proper position yet. Hinge or door. None of it. Only thing these pics prove is that I made a little bracket so the flap can unscrew from the arm, and that the parts are in the hole. Very last picture shows what I envision as the nozzle approach trajectory. The owner is right handed.
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I kind of lost track of how many mods you had made to the car over the course of the build :shock: That is quite a list! The thing that makes this hobby interesting is when someone tries out something new and it works out .
Proposed hood-side changes caused me to pause. I thought "clean lines that you have created" showed support for your excellent work; just to clarify. My apologies.......
No apology needed, but I will take the clarification. I got your positive tone, just wasn't able to muster one at the time of my reply. Thanks and I didn't mean to step on a toe. Disapproval is fine but I take issue with vague explanations of it.
My Grandpas would not approve of ANY modifications but some, you guys expect. Nobody probably ever wanted a top chop until they saw one. I was born too late to have the what not to do when putting a 2011 engine in a 1930 car traditional rodder reflex. The shape of the mustang opening just happens to fit. Nothing has to stick out except engine. The car doesn't have to have hood sides. I just have to know which seal to build for but the only path to that answer leads through the hood sides forest. Instead of stamping my feet and bawling, I generate options and try to sort the best of those to present. It truly makes no difference to me what style they pick. I try to pull folks, not push. :wink:
Quote from: "chimp koose"I kind of lost track of how many mods you had made to the car over the course of the build :shock: That is quite a list! The thing that makes this hobby interesting is when someone tries out something new and it works out .
Thats what I thought the rodding tradition was about... new solutions, not replicated memories. Loose allowance for change, not strict. Wide open.
Thats why I get so puzzled by all the lines people draw and say you can't step beyond or you have violated something sacred. Rodding is ate up with that, and the musclecar crowd is not far behind. I say be who you are and live a little. You want some mustang stuff on your model A? I will see where I can work it in, past the naysay filter. I never know what will catch on. :?
No pics today, didn't take any. Looks about the same. I figured out the hinge orientation I want, and with the scrap brackets I was able to see it fit and work, almost exactly as planned in my head. So I flapped the flap several many times just to be sure that was real. Then I began swapping back to the provided bracket and repeating that. Needed to extend the bracket a small amount to connect it to the structure. Ran out of time.
Go here https://www.mcmaster.com/magnetic-catches and look at this one for a latch 15735A66. You push in to unlatch it, it pops out to get your finger under the lid to open it. Slick deal, and only $2.54 each. I have used them several times on gas doors.
It has one magnet pocket in the hinge to draw down the arm at the base and another cylindrical apparatus with magnet in the pocket for the fill neck which draws down the tip of the lid. Could very well be a plunger thing, so it may be constructed that way already but I haven't messed with that part at all.
Is heat the only reason not to weld near magnets? :?: :? Just checking.
heat is not the only reason, but heat can weaken a magnet
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Hagan-FDTL-Universal-Gas-Fuel-Filler-Door-Magnetic-Touch-Latch,46228.html I used one of these on my glove box door. Works like the ones on stereo equipment. You push on the door and it pops out so that you can grasp it and open the door.
John
I posted a link on July 31st.
http://www.haganauto.com/product_p/45tdc.htm
I posted a pic on August 7.
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There they are again, for your convenience. Your ship has sailed, gents.
Its magnetic, open and shut. It is Hagan brand.
You guys are wanting us to buy what we already have. :?
What did I say wrong? :(
Video showing operation is on Hagan and Speedway site, embedded and I can't find how to link it.
I thought you were having trouble with the magnet part. I was trying to help you find a replacement.
Quote from: "WZ JUNK"I thought you were having trouble with the magnet part. I was trying to help you find a replacement.
Oh. I must have worded something in a way which led you to that. Will investigate later, gotta run eat at boss's house. Thanks, sorry. No trouble with them. I have not welded anything yet. The hold open magnet works, have not tried out the latch and had not watched the video myself.
It should be pretty neat with that setup. I didn't even get a pic yesterday but the flap works like I want with the hinge stuffed into the front outer corner of the opening in the quarter. At about the seven or eight o'clock position. Clears roof by plenty. Figured I could get my bracket with latch connected in time for a pic but nope. Should be close when I make that connection.
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Getting started on running board brackets. There wasn't enough inch and a half square thick wall to do four so I ended up with 14 ga 1x2".
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Just a thought but you might want to try and put something under the frame rail , attached to your brackets to help keep them from dipping down/rolling inward when someone steps on the running board. Too bad you guys don't have something like a hossfelt tubing bender . That would make the bends with a lot less fab needed .
Quote from: "chimp koose"Just a thought but you might want to try and put something under the frame rail , attached to your brackets to help keep them from dipping down/rolling inward when someone steps on the running board. Too bad you guys don't have something like a hossfelt tubing bender . That would make the bends with a lot less fab needed .
Too bad it doesn't pay as well as mowing, too. Mike got a bender but only dies for round. I just work with what I have.
Have you seen an original bracket? Just a stamped L. This should do as well as that and with bare, shiny body colored smooth running boards I figure no standing on the running board will be the policy.
I may be wrong and the part might be too ugly and weak. It was funny, I showed it to Mike to see if there was anything too stupid about it. He said not but it seemed like a lot of work. I laughed because he and Gary both used the "Can't you just..." phrase suggesting making new ones. I "just" did and now its too much work. :?
Just another thing I'll never understand. Or need to. I just do. The objective seems to be never needing to ask questions or buy things.
Another guy suggested cutting three sides off the bent area, bending, then making new pieces to fill in. Saying it was less welding and the angle will change less when welded. That method requires over two feet of weld for the bend whereas the way I am doing them takes around 18".
Sometimes theres a method to my madness. :lol:
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Hard to tell in the pictures but you did allow for the differences in length and angle,front to back and each side?
With the detail you have put into the rest of this build I am sure you did but just making sure!
moose
Quote from: "moose"Hard to tell in the pictures but you did allow for the differences in length and angle,front to back and each side?
With the detail you have put into the rest of this build I am sure you did but just making sure!
moose
No, I made them all as same as possible but left the top end just tacked. Expecting alterations. But I did assume they are all the same. The two stock ones I have are too short on both ends, at any corner. So this what I made is a generic set from a single prototype (which is one of them) that looked at a glance like it was within alteration distance of working for any position. A uniformish set of starting points to be worked with. I bolted the first one up at each position, eyeballed them and proceeded, aware of the variations.
The information I have (Mike's word) is that each board is parallel to the ground, side to side. A level placed on either board (across it, not longways) at any point along it's length should have a centered bubble. Do I have the correct understanding of that? :?:
You can see the front one falls short a bit in the bottom pic, for example. Is it the bracket or the sheetmetal's fault? I will address these things next, and shuffling the fabbed brackets for best selective fit as a starting piece for each corner is probably the next step. Notice top ends of brackets are only tacked still, in anticipation of adjusting to fit the board once it is in a level position.
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Matt, My comments were based on a frame with stock shaped rails. It appears that the rails on the chassis you are working with are near parallel. That would negate the angle and length differences I mentioned.
On an original shaped frame it tapers back to front so the brackets sre longer in the front and they have a twist to account for this taper to keep the running boards parallel.
Sorry if I caused confusion.
moose
Quote from: "moose"Matt, My comments were based on a frame with stock shaped rails. It appears that the rails on the chassis you are working with are near parallel. That would negate the angle and length differences I mentioned.
On an original shaped frame it tapers back to front so the brackets sre longer in the front and they have a twist to account for this taper to keep the running boards parallel.
Sorry if I caused confusion.
moose
No worries here. My only thing was I wondered if the boards should run slightly downhil as they extend outward from the body.
But it seems strange to me that a frame with so many differences from stock is sold with none of the necessary altered fender or running board brackets being offered to go with it.
Today I stared at the car and got an idea or two for other areas before proceeding. Wrote them down. Thoughts of a front end rendering are dancing in my head.
After those minutes began the laying on of hands. Frame is level as she sits so threw down my little torpedo shaped level on the running boards over each bracket.
At the left rear, its on like donkey kong. :shock: Bubble dead center.
At the other three corners, shimming the outside end of the bubble level with the edge of a roll of 1/4" tape set it just right.
Exactly, at all three corners. Hmm, so remember the left rear apron bolt holes being so far off?
And me making new bolt holes at rear of running board? Contrary to the suggested "correct" given, I suspect that the majority rules.
That is to say, a quarter inch drop from inside to outside of running board is about the slope I would want, so water doesn't collect.
So I'll assume that matching that left rear corner to the rest is the sensible thing to do. Rather than matching the other three to it.
Agreed?
That puts me in a good spot with only one corner to mess with. Easy.
I believe the TCI frame rails do follow a different floor plan than stockers.
I'm gonna break here then do today pix, but this new short paragraph format is just something that might be simpler for you guys to read mixed in with the big pictures.
If you read all them words, thanks and here is a short break from brackets. Bryan's new project-
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I see some lip rot there, woohoo!
Mark tackled the hood which a newer guy stripped with an 8" mud hog- :roll:
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The bracket race is about won. :)
I shuffled brackets to my heart's content and having checked the running board positions as mentioned post before last...
Added two inches or so to each front bracket, trimmed one about a half inch on top, straightened one rear by twisting the arm on the top base a little.
They fit now. :) Some welding remains to be done on all but one.
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That was driver's side, front tire's eye view looking rearward. This is the passenger side-
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Now, if I can trouble you for more reading, allow me to explain the board attachment plan briefly:
Boards have upside down top hat shaped channels as attaching points over the brackets, with keyhole slots for carriage bolts pointing down.
Front and rear channels differ in length and bolt spacing.
I hear tell some kinda spacers may go between board and bracket. * all that mess.
My plan is to of course use flange strips. Maybe angle iron or split 14 ga tubing but I think just 18 gauge sheet can work.
Plug weld flange strip to forward edge of channel, hanging down in front. Set nuts in front of tubular bracket.
Match bolt holes drilled in flange strip on board to welded nuts in bracket. Allow adjustment slop.
This will hide and protect the gap over the bracket from debris, move the ugly fastener away from the bottom of the brace...
making height adjustment possible at the board and providing for easier assembly with less fuss.
:idea: :?: :) :arrow:
As I recall the carriage bolts are 1/4", I may be wrong. But in any case I would drill the holes through the tubing from the bottom, and enlarge the hole on the bottom side to about 1" for socket clearance. You can still shim the boards if needed, and I don't think there will be a rust problem if you spray the inside of the tube with Boeshield or something similar.
Quote from: "enjenjo"As I recall the carriage bolts are 1/4", I may be wrong. But in any case I would drill the holes through the tubing from the bottom, and enlarge the hole on the bottom side to about 1" for socket clearance. You can still shim the boards if needed, and I don't think there will be a rust problem if you spray the inside of the tube with Boeshield or something similar.
Sure. That way was my first thought. I would cap the end and use hole plugs. Don't know if 1/4" is correct or not.
Now, how is that way better? The idea I have eliminates shims but easily adjusts, keeps pebbles out of the area above the bracket, has no down-facing hole or nut, and is easier to install.
My time justification for adding the angled piece is in lessening the degree of precision and experimentation needed for carriage bolts to work. The mounting reinforcements are not welded in precisely enough, nor are the brackets perfectly angled enough, for measurement to be valid. That leaves me with, for carriage bolts, drilling the board skin from below in the precise carriage bolt location, then putting the bracket on to put a pilot mark on the bracket through that hole in the board from the top, removing the bracket, then drilling the mounting holes which may not necessarily be centered in the width of the bracket. Then welding the holes in the skin.
For the angle strip method, I just bolt the strip to added nuts on the bracket, adjust it to sit up against the board brace, tighten, and tack it. Done, and plug weld next time it is apart. Carriage bolts are almost always a good thing to eliminate in my book but its also easy for me to make mistakes in my thought process so I described it in case I overlooked something. A sketch is probably needed to convey the idea, as my verbal description of intent might not be sufficiently clear. But when at the car trying to figure the fastest way through this step, thats what I came up with for this "no standing on" running board application. :)
Like so. I was just going to drill holes in the front of the brackets and float a nut in there flush and tack.
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Since the pic dump was open...
Lest ye forget what warm and cool looks like... (bonus, shameless Pontiac injection) 8) :lol: :arrow:
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Now that's the way to watch the Sun go down...
On that 46 that I did I had nearly the same situation with the brackets lining up with the running board mounts. I bent the mounts to line up with the brackets on the running board, then shimmed them to set the height. That way there are no squeaks or rattles on down the line.
Boeshield is a spray wax that doesn't dissolve in water, and stays where you put it.
Here is another thought, spray the bottom of the boards with bed liner. No rust then, and no star chips in the board either.
You be you, there is more than one way to do it right.
Sunset was about that good again tonight. Durn near got dry gulched by a pair of deer though.
Frank how does the stuff differ from cavity wax AKA internal panel coating?
Friday I did no measuring to center the brackets under the mounts, but did use fingers to set them as close to that as I "felt" would be sufficiently accurate. After brackets were tweaked and bolted I ran a Sharpie along one bracket's sides, marking underside of board. Then I looked and realized that the bracket was fine as far as square to board and frame but the mount was all skewy on the board. I could drill them off, or compensate. It just seems to me the less poopy looking way with smooth bottom brackets. We will be us, and as usual I will run it through the Mike filter. My first thought was actually to cut a long wedge off the bottom of the bracket tubing so its mostly one layer out under the board.
Oh... and under the board... I'd bet a heavier application of rock guard spray but otherwise usual treatment will go there. Plastic or aluminum fender liners :D, or steel partial wheelhouses :roll: have been discussed. I'd like to have fender liners on tabs with push clips. :lol:
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Sunset was about that good again tonight. Durn near got dry gulched by a pair of deer though.
Frank how does the stuff differ from cavity wax AKA internal panel coating?
Friday I did no measuring to center the brackets under the mounts, but did use fingers to set them as close to that as I "felt" would be sufficiently accurate. After brackets were tweaked and bolted I ran a Sharpie along one bracket's sides, marking underside of board. Then I looked and realized that the bracket was fine as far as square to board and frame but the mount was all skewy on the board. I could drill them off, or compensate. It just seems to me the less poopy looking way with smooth bottom brackets. We will be us, and as usual I will run it through the Mike filter. My first thought was actually to cut a long wedge off the bottom of the bracket tubing so its mostly one layer out under the board.
It really is not much different. It comes in spray cans, and until it sets up it will creep into cracks and crevices. Once it sets up, the solvents evaporate, it stays in place.
Yessir. There used to be something called Waxoyl, I think. Just wax and oil in a mist, collecting on everything basically. That type stuff is good strategy.
I have the angle strips made and marked for holes and outside corner trimming, nuts are tacked. They are on top of the brackets instead of on front. I showed Mike three ideas and his main concern was speed so I did that. They will be welded better when apart.
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I'll close the end like that on the other three also. Didn't get a pic of that end with the bracket installed. This right front one, I took off to complete welding of the 2" extension so I closed the end while it was off.
Heres the passenger side, front tire's eye view, and I threw the bay door open a ways for light to do it justice. I'm happy with 'em. Plug weld holes are on the top flange, these tacks are just tacks, and top mounts on the rear brackets are not welded only tacked... but I already started on the drip rails, marking them to split them each down the middle for a tuckaroo.
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A peek at nuts welded better on the bracket I had off. I could put little gussets but don't percieve a need. Boards and brackets aren't fighting each other so I anticipate no great flexing and fatiguing issues with the body bolted directly to the TCI chassis.
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I got "on-board" at the last minute. At well under 200 lbs I am not much of a test but this is that, and it felt as sturdy as any I reckon.
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Drip rails came with the down bend at rear already made. Watch me tuck them. :arrow:
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Right side of the cardboard is a template you hold straight out flat, from the drip rail recess.
Curvature was a good enough match side to side, verified by flipping the template over.
One side, I bumped halves with jaws to curve them. The other side, I just put over a knee to bend.
Scoring and cutting right down the middle of them was touchy though :roll:
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This illustrates the tuck... overlap and tack. :idea: The blurry nut is a spacer when clamping to tack, and a gauge to slide down through the rail after welding. Just running the right screwdriver down it corrects the gap if it gets too smushed together.
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Beveled the front tip-
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Other side only lacks grinding-
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Talked to a guy a while back building an A and he removed the drip rail and welded studs on the back so it was bolted to the car from the inside and make painting easier. Just a FYI Nice work on the cars you do.
Quote from: "34ford"Talked to a guy a while back building an A and he removed the drip rail and welded studs on the back so it was bolted to the car from the inside and make painting easier. Just a FYI Nice work on the cars you do.
Thank you sir. I do like that idea, a lot. This car has welded permanent structure that would prevent access, otherwise I'd use it. :)
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That angle strip in the last pic goes 3" forward of the firewall and layers under the cowl at the hood seal bed.
Now doing the fuel filler neck pocket. Origami, anyone? :lol:
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I like the drip rail idea also. Hope I don't forget that tidbit. :)
So far, so OK. :) Only had to split one corner after bending and welding. Working on making the top perimeter a seam sealer bead's distance from the quarter and getting the first bracket attached. The old mock up scrap bracket is still in there. I made it with making the actual pocket alongside it in mind. :wink: :idea:
I'll have you know I cut that neck hole with a cutoff wheel. Only.
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Nothing holding the neck so it is all the way down in the pocket.
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My guessed at screw holes gotta move up but the hinge mount face orientation seems good. :)
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Here is the driver's-seat-but-with-head-on-backwards view I have been showing. That bracket is for connecting pocket to tubing.
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Now move straight down and look more upward at the same spot. Never mind the brown sweat. :lol:
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Now, be a mouse perched atop the left tub looking forward. :shock: :arrow:
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I've just gotta move the rear edge closer to the quarter as needed there, and splice in a wedge shaped piece. Decided I wanted that whole inside edge to run along the trunk bead so I cut n bent. Thinking of probably three bracket pieces to sturdily connect the pocket since the flap connects indirectly to the inner structure and not at all to the quarter. So it doesn't bend or show a weld around the fuel door.
Woop, almost forgot. Did take one pic at the end of half day Friday. Boy I was smack in the thick of it and had to drop it here-
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and whats worse I may not get back to it Monday. Sounds like I will be back on the Pantera which has stalemated with the tech on something. Not sure what. But yeah, yay. :roll:
The gas neck pocket thing is to a point where the mock up bracket can be removed. A sufficient translation of hinge mount holes has been established between the two, and the edges are growing closer to the quarter. The bracket I made alongside the pocket will end up being temporary as the pocket in final position does contact the tubing for attachment and the tank to cabin bulkhead corner filler will provide another attaching point for that. Pattern made for that filler. Additional hinge location fuss is anticipated but as shown, the pocket is marked for the first attempt without the mockup bracket as training wheels. The magnetic latch location is apt to be another adventure altogether, on it's own. But I'm a'gainin' on it. Progress may be dictated by boss warpath level, as needed to speed things the hell up.
As a punctuation mark in case of Pantera emergency and to blatantly push my brand I submit this candid shot of the wiley and elusive GT, my noble mount for a decade and beyond... in it's natural habitat. :lol: This is the one which I have had ghoulish thoughts about the A/C compressor on lately. Re-thinking that.
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That has the Mustangish hood side. This was me trying duolamps up front. Maybe with big headlights. These are the bike headlights they want to use.
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Theres a bracket back here now-
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Magnetic latch mounting getting started,-
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This is with the plunger fully extended-
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This is how far it unenthusiastically pops up in the current configuration. Because latch and hinge are not aimed at one another, the magnet drags a little and side liads the plunger.
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At least its bench mess withable on that part, and now the whole shebang goes in and out with three screws-
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Got this corner untacked at bottom, hunting the sweet tilt angle-
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Glad I was able to get it to this point, where it fits and functions. Much better stopping place if need be. Just glad its not the Pantera.
Somewhere out of the wild blue, Pantera fixer man has a small zappy welder now and seems to have it handled.
Yesterday was pretty much a burn. Mike said every one of these he ever did extended the plunger fully when popping open. Mine didn't and I invested a day of drama trying to figure out how to get it to. Today I was just going to accept it and continue. But as it turns out, once I took away the temporary stuff and really sidestep my finger off it quickly... bam, works as it should.
Long story short, I made it work in the nick of time and the customer liked it a lot. Perfect. And he likes the Mustang hood sides and dug the drip rail tuck. :)
Ended up like so-
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This is the actual hole cutout as the flap now. We concluded there needs to be some sort of jamb. Even if the gas cap becomes hard to remove, just as long as it can come out. I am thinking of tacking a smaller hole to the backside of the quarter.
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The tiny hex screw runs a pair of jaws that clamp the forked end of the hinge arm. Thats the adjuster. I have it extended pretty far in this pic.
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The pocket, recovering from the confusion-
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That is as it sits. This latch mount surface is bent but the slots are right. Me fix.
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That pocket welds to the screw holes in this bulkhead corner I made this afternoon-
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Here is Model A man's GN... X maybe?:arrow:
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The Beemer got shot-
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I didn't get a pic of the finished pocket but it was ready to blast when I left Thursday. I was still fussing over it and the brackets and the lid keeps popping off because I am hesitant to stick it for keeps just yet. I'll have to be mean to it to weld it up good. The flap made from the cutout.
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Figure we'll need some sorta jamb to make this gas door look decent. Like this, with a cap hole through it. Scribble spots aare seam sealer-
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I think we have 3 sizes of stepping dies for the roller. Hope I can get it deep enough so the push to open space is clear. If not, theres always hammer forming on plywood or joggle on the brake or something. This is probably a slightly less inaccurate representation of the actual size-
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Finally arrived at the time to finish up structure welding, cleanup, and what-not.
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That was a lot of fun watching you turn an imaginary gas door into a real one. Thanks for sharing your thought process.
Its just metal. What a privelidge it was to be given the opportunity to express an idea such as that, and to be part of a crew capable of getting and doing these projects to assist others in realizing their dreams. It has never been truer that for those of us who grew up behind straight sixes and V8s, theres no time like the present to do so.
That being said... "Aw shucks" (looks down, kicks dirt). Weren't nothin. I'll be tickled if I find out the gas cap can actually be removed. So far, so good on that!
Seriously, that pocket like to kilt me, whew. In the crash world, you don't point out damage you don't want to fix. That was gratifying as hell, but theres a similar lesson here and those Mustang hood sides lie ahead. Gulp. The roof, well... I think I need to sit down for a sec.
Please be seated and lets start the slideshow shall we? :roll: :) :idea: :arrow:
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To be continued-
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To be recombobulated-
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The following are posted in hopes that either CK or KB will crap a moon rock or just geek melt. :shock: :)(
This is a loaded frame for a blown Coyote 51 pickup-
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Welded-
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Bottom of left C pillar welded-
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Making some quarter clearance up the the shelf height-
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Woops, dubl-dipt that cone. Heres the missing lunch pic. Clearancing for the quarter here where its tight-
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The afternoon was all sidetracky and tomorrow I AM going back on the Pantera for the rest of this week and thats all, we hope.
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Dents down here, to start-
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That appears to be one of the new Mustang fastback bodies. Is that correct? Who made the 51 frame?
Quote from: "kb426"That appears to be one of the new Mustang fastback bodies. Is that correct? Who made the 51 frame?
Yessir, I am told its a Dynacorn body. Don't know but can ask about the frame brand. :arrow: Pester me if I forget. :)
By the way, that estate sale truck you located does look like a dandy. :idea:
Spent about half the half day helping with other projects. Heres a pic of where I'm working, atop the left C pillar-
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Quote from: "kb426"Who made the 51 frame?
Roadster Shop.
https://roadstershop.com/product/full-chassis/1948-52-ford-truck/
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How the hell did I even build all that? :shock: :? Jeepers!
It looks like you have most of a roll cage in there. It should be stronger in a collision.
Thank you sir. I am hoping so. The tank house walls are structural parts as well. With tubing, I reckon you gotta shoot for rigidity as opposed to crumpling with just sheetmetal. But the frame is the real bumper stopper especially from behind. Any frontal collision is just catastrophic damage. I am shooting for if it gets onto it's lid, just having the tubing smush some and most of all not break and poke inward.
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Got a couple new tools to replace broke junk. That impact screwdriver is a pretty slick little rig for fifteen bux.
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Toyota with an LS?
Yessir, LandCruiser. Getting a new body tub and fenders-
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wow that would be fun 8)
My bad, thought I already showed it. Don't know if its an LS1 or what. Probably a 5.3 and come to think of it yeah, that would be fairly lively. :shock:
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Heres the A stuff-
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Hi. :)
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Its 47" tall.
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Now I can shore up this floppy thing-
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Drip rails are screwed from inside now.
Set up my sheetmetal roof skin support structure squarely, set corner heights and added a center rib. It is flimsy until attached to the tubular structure and allows space for padding beneath the ribbed insert panel. Screws in place now and is still adjustable. Sat it aside for later since I may invert the body to install the floor pan. Or roll it onto a side, just the tube skeleton.
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If you want to look up her skirt, peek fast. I buttoned up most of the welding underneath today and matched that quarter bottom corner at front of left tub's distance to CL to the right side. It went boing when I cut the tack and wanted to land in the right spot. THAT was the dimension I cried out for at the beginning of the project and now... drumroll please... I will never forget it. 44" across, even. Sure was a long row to hoe just to find out the first dimension I wanted. :roll: :roll: :roll: Mind bogglingly so. :shock: :arrow:
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I was trimming the tub inner walls here. Hope they look straight where the frame hangs down past them.
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Back to earth on a easy rolly dolly at day's end. Bazillions of mental notes to self on completing loose ends were made today, seems like. I would yammer on and on about them but am already burning tomorrow so, I will just not and call it building suspense. :wink:
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I added angle strips to back up the trunk jamb to quarter seam. This helps in several ways.
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But of course the trouble spot acts up again with a wide n wobbly gap. :roll: No matter. I will win with these added angle strips. They give me free reign over side gaps. Without them it would be a shaggy inside corner weld and grind slop adventure. A neat overlap with toasty hot miniature welds hidden by weatherstrip and seam sealer will hunt.
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Left side, no big drama-
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Seal bed was all tweaked on the right after putting the strip on-
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last post left incomplete due to technical difficulties. Sorry. Later. :arrow:
Straightened the right seal bed out, see uniforn sliver of silver :arrow:
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This is the quarter side undergoing refinements off the car, ready for another stab at gaps in the AM-
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Thats where I left off. Here is the 5/8 x 3/8" hollow D shaped weatherstripping we are liking for the hood at both ends. Will build to suit this. May use that on the front and sides of trunk, too.
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I am considering making the hood sides in steel with fiberglass rain covers. If he wants the covers. Customer visited today and he is on the fence about having a wiper or not. I think I could make panels to have a hidden wiper. Parks on paint above windshield but behind a cover under the visor. Meh.
With the modern hood seal, how do you guys feel about flushing the ridge at rear perimeter of grille shell? Where the foreground shows a cut tack in the last pic. Smoove move or :?: :idea:
Since the cowl is smooth at the hood transition I would remove the step on the shell as well.
It was pretty much an afternoon of bead massage. Decided that right side new strip ought to be welded so I can get serious. I managed to make it all alright but at day's end when I screwed it back on, no latchy. This dadburn spot is like the pillbox in the hill I'm trying to take! Now down to needing to scoot the back of the right quarter left. On the way home I pondered on maybe having used the wrong screw holes to connect trunk pan and tail panel. So-
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At least the quarter appears straight again now. Gaining ground. :arrow:
Quote from: "moose"Since the cowl is smooth at the hood transition I would remove the step on the shell as well.
Thank you Moose, I agree. That opens the door to a slight snoot extension if useful, for the cooling package. :)
Yesterday hurt and I sat on the bench today. Chair, actually. Hurt my shoulder swapping a larger gimmie computer-sitting-at chair in here at the house Wednesday night. Awkward lifting can bite and I knotted up more muscles than usual. The grumpy is fading so now I will catch up.
Felt like a win, painful or not. The right quarter trunk bead miraculously still had some fight in it.
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Wouldn't shut and big gap-
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Whatever means necessary means disturbing the only undisturbed portion remaining. :roll:
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That ran me all the way to quitting time Thurs. Shoulder was setting up like concrete but I gave it all my heck. Crossed fingers and latched it, and...
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Take that! You ornery prewar Ford, you. :lol:
Just an unrelated thought snack dump-
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Spent the morning getting tank house walls all bolted in. Figured I oughta before continuing. Had to recenter a bunch of bolt holes and expand them all, do some trimming, and replace a vouple welded nuts-
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The left jamb had a couple high spots so I made a few snips to correct that-
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Decided I do want to add tail panel to inner tub braces, its just too floppy for good trunk shutting.
Welded this one up, did a quick grind then screw to see if I hurt it. Looks alright for a first slam-
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Green lines indicate two potential fullsize battery locations. Mike decided on two six volts, most likely laid on the side in the rear well. I would like to see them out of rearend hit range, and it is possible both could go over the tire. A bit sadistic to R & I but perhaps safer.
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Swapping ends now, here are visuals explaining my intent for about four yards of friendly looking edge for the hood seal areas. Grille and cowl.
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Image on the right represents the existing, proposed is on left.
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This is for CK :D
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:)
I had marked the quarter bottom bead for relocation to match the door, driver's side. First I "moved" the step to this white line-
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Welded up the rear tub extension patch and quarter / tub width correction patch, and various other-
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With qtr back on, height of the bottom is much improved. It did stick down maybe a quarter inch more, this ought to be OK. Might be a bit before I find out how it matches the door now. I took a stab at this with marks from last time doors were on, and hope it will not be too far off for mud to cure.
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You'll have to pardon me, I must begin again. It takes a long time to edit if one small mistake is made because the pictures don't appear in the composing box and if I need to insert an (//or) in the line somewhere to fix something, it has to be typed in because with the button it can only be added to the end of the post. But typing (//or) is a murderous endeavor with the soft keyboard which is all I have had for years. When typing, my device is words behind me. When I backspace (not able to select text accurately with these non PC devices) it is a paragraph ahead . I missed a half days posting and after spending way too long to attempt editing and souring the mood...
I'll just come back to it later to to try to fix it. It ate way way way too much day already. Half an hour just typing this and fixing all the typos. :roll: Too much labor involved that I can't spare. :arrow:
OK, rewinding to the battery placement / hood seal proposition / blue pearl over black... post. Aaaand resume- :)
Bottom of driver's quarter was too tall. Bead ended up aimed low in relation to door, mostly at the door end. Also the edge hung down past the floor rail. I made the patch there a long time ago.
I cut the front corner of the square bead, up past the bead a smidge so that I could flatten the step there and back about halfway along the bottom of the panel. Then I did bodyman stuffs with my simple things and beat a new step into the qtr, blending it into the old line as it goes rearward and stopping well before the corner kickup of the bead.
White line in this before shot from inside the upside down panel on the bench... indicates the needed move according to marks on the panel face from when doors were on-
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This is the face, after moving the line and smoothing things up a bit-
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Rattle etch bombed for a better look-
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Then I moved the bend at the bottom and welded up the front corner slit-
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Here is the inside again, after all that-
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Now... gonna give you a little exclusive spoiler... theres no pic and I did not give it but a glance until today... but-
That bead move was a good shot. Height correction done appears to be accurate. Glad of that. But I didn't put the quarter back on just yet, to check it.
The qtrs go on and off with a handful of screws in a few minutes. The left side due to the gas fill requires a top secret overlap / pry point sequence known only to me however. Heres a wide view of left qtr on bench. There are new patch welds at tips of tubs. Stand by for those, I will break here and begin another post for the sake of digestability. More story to come-
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When I had body on lift, I set width of the quarters ahead of wheel uniformly referencing the center line. The correction was this patch which brought the corner outward the better part of an inch-
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Back on the car, same spot but face side. This is much closer to correct height and will pull up to the floor rail with screws-
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Now, set qtr aside. Grab the back window panel and try it. Discover interference underneath, mainly on right.
Tube shown here with triangles cut... triangles were round one of clearancing. Fail, not enough-
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In a move not previously unanticipated, I cut away the entire top and and half the height of the back walls of that redundant thin walled tube. The thick walled structural member sits below it and this 14 ga tube on top was merely serving as a stout L bracket. Now, thats all it is. But no pic. But clearance!
Time for a bathroom break :arrow: :-}
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There was trimming of ends and screwing and shuffling in the jamb, but now theres enough down room to work with-
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Still a ways to go, for sure. Looks a little less sad though.
That brings me to the next area of focus, getting the bead at bottom of roof to behave and look nice-
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Now we are caught up to today. Stand by for regularly scheduled programming and thank you for your patience. Particularly when I run a little short of it. :wink: :roll: :D
I tell ya it feels good to be, for a lack of better analogy, going back to build a proper road after having wildly blazed a trail. I am knocking away nagging memorized pending concerns left by the wayside necessarily, chunk by chunk. Oh what a relief it is be freeing up memory.
In the interest of that and to set the stage for the next act, I'm gonna tell you something them we'll move on.
Prepare to judge me as passive agressive as I spin my yarn. During absence of boss during last years SEMA show, my least favorite and our only part time coworker... lets call him Dude, was really just pushing his luck all around and felt quite full of himself. "I don't come here to work, I come to disrupt old people!"...
It was Catalina roof mud time. He and Footloose were working on it, the latter on fabbed the rear window panel. In the adjacent stall to me, as I worked to complete the upper B pillars. Just before lunch, I saw dude blow a quart can sized pile of dust off a drip rail, directly at my stall. While defiantly avoiding eye contact. Its cold, doors are down. I said nothing.
After lunch, Dude's five year old at some point walked up. Yes, thats part of what I'm talking about. I didn't see the kid, I was inside the A and kiddo was a good 20 feet away. Music was at shouting to talk level and aimed right at us. I tried and tried and tried to measure three dimensions and compare side to side plus double check with angle finder using my utmost focus with two people shouting back and forth laughing heartily about things that seem to only be said to keep constant voices going.
It had been that way all day. All week. Can't stand Dude and you couldn't either for sure. Hardest part of the whole job, nowhere to run. No cool to spare.
Dude says to dude junior hey come here, I bet you Matt would like whats on your shirt. I only heard my name and had no idea a child was present and as the numbers slipped from my head yet again, the inflection of my response was unmetered. DUDE, do not ____ with me today. AT all!
Back to my work, never looking up. Did my * job, thats all. But it took me for ever due to the constant voice condition. Earplugs don't help, the mind follows conversation by default. That was a hellish time of challenge which you may recall. I shoved through with all my fortitude.
Here we are couple weeks short of a year since then and Dude has not spoken a word. Works far away from me. Thank the Lord!
You have not read all that ranty sounding crap in vain. Before my next post, I felt the need to include those details. Thanks and continue standing by
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Today's scene-
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All that, to make this cut-
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I will let you form your own opinions of why. :wink:
Today's first move can hopefully further define my character. I been wanting to knock out the cowl seal flange since the experimental sample and its a perfect project size for a Friday. Plus it would make for heroic forum pix.
But in the back of my heart I knew, I had seen and went past...
The facts that the back left corner of the roof sticks out, isn't perpendicular, and still had a contact spot with inner structure preventing movement in the right direction. :roll:
Stuff usually comes up to blow Fridays anyway, and it did today, but the path I took was chosen with virtue.
Grab li'l torpedo level. Floor level? Check. Right B and C pillar tubes and window opening sides perpendicular? Check. Left C pillar? Check. Plumb all around. Upper left B pillar? Insert gymnasium scoreboard buzzer sound here. No. Top leans out a quarter inch between upper hinge and roof rail. Dadgum somebody's hide. Hanging a string from extended upper hinge bolt holes down past extended lower hinges confirmed the variation to be isolated above the hinges. Whew.
Theres no escape, I reckoned. Move it now. Will it affect the door? Of course.
It did. Cut, moved, tacked roof rail and upper B post. Position corrected, I put the door on and started down that road. As hoped, since I was correcting something skewed, a more proper fit and look emerged but with much manipulation and some backtracking at the front half of the tub connection to qtr and reshaping of the door corner to flatten it out so the bottom bead flows.
I got door and lower qtr cooperating but as I moved to the roof, the day had to end because it was primer spraying time in the grey room.
The pics below were real quick, had to run from overspray. But there are some things visible. Screwed left rear roof corner to the window panel tab with new holes since it moved, closing the wide-at-top gap nicely. But, it still does not sit perpendicular. A cut at the base of the roof on the body line, like the other side has, will be required here so I can even that out. Should be no sweat, but all that places the front tip of the roof side pointing inward as-is. Thats OK too, because now theres a properly debunked guideline (the rest of the car) to reference for correction and that will probably end in cutting at the chop spot above the window or elsewhere along the roof side over the door.
I really don't mind and am not messed up in any way about making this correction. It is to be expected but if the concentration potential had been better on another long lost day, I might have had the cowl knocked out today. Looking forward to that. I will take the fitting fuss only as far as I gotta before the slew of epoxy sessions. When I feel confident that I can sort out the remainder of issues on the final fit and weld stage, thats where I raise the epoxy flag and push on. If I just weld up what tubing I cut today, thats pretty much where I'll be. :arrow:
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Theres room to move the top corner inward now, and the qtr to tub connection is in progress, pending. Ima knock this whole job in the head soon though, you watch and see- ;)
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Today I leveled it up and checked all around and came to the conclusion the trunk lid bottom edge is crooked and the tail panel with it. Clockwise.
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Here is where I am at. Easiest to level the tail by lowering the higher side. Tail panel needs to go straight up until the latch can reach and one or both roll pan tips gotta move up or down.
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Tape is about the gap I need to see-
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In this pic you can see that I did check front lid corners, perfect. You can also see the white line at bottom of lid which is level and straight-
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Also in that pic you can see the crown of the top outsides of the quarters doesn't match. Viewing angles effect the severity of the appearance of that greatly. Both sides were multi-mangled so... thats on the list. :roll:
Knowing what the monster lurking under the bed is beats not, right?
Had it outside eyeballing it this AM. Got you a pic of that qtr-to-door bead mismatch fix-
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Heres one showing what a new OE body tub looks like after you skate a block across it-
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Anybody still getting anything good from this thread?
Thought not. :( Me either.
I took it apart today and brushed epoxy on places on the structure that are to be hidden. Also did this-
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You know that when you are done , this car will be more plumb and square than Henry ever had one :) . I am quietly sitting back and learning something from every post.
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This job is on hold per the customer. Let your minds roam free as to why. As they would if I told you anyway.
Got in a couple fun hours on the sedan delivery tailgate this morning. So you have these pics-
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Make them last! :)
The "hold" on the A is not a shutoff and cooldown kind, try not to worry. More of a hold the brake or toss it in neutral kind of thing if I read it right.
Meanwhile, allow me to dump some more fill.
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Question , are you using the spot welder to heat and shrink the low spots ? I noticed where the seam was welded it curled down. Is that what to expect , I did a seam like that on my T and it moved about the same. There is a small low spot on the T so I think a little putty will be fine . I am going to have to replace the door bottom to about 4" up on my d/s door and I want to get as little shrink as possible, any tips ?
Quote from: "chimp koose"Question , are you using the spot welder to heat and shrink the low spots ? I noticed where the seam was welded it curled down. Is that what to expect , I did a seam like that on my T and it moved about the same. There is a small low spot on the T so I think a little putty will be fine . I am going to have to replace the door bottom to about 4" up on my d/s door and I want to get as little shrink as possible, any tips ?
What I used is a dent puller made by Spitznagel.
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The part sticking out of the top of the blue handle is a shrinking tip used on a higher setting than the pointed pins which are pulled on via the lever with pivoting foot. The dots only discolored are "shrinks" and the ones with dots in the dots are pull points where the pin was used.
This was already cut open and had patch made before I got the task, so all bets were off as far as results. My tip to you is straighten the old skin first, as best you can. If you can weld from the inside some, that sometimes helps. But for touchy ancient metal thats already been worked... just be dang sure you have plenty of crown when you make your cuts, and plan to tack, grind both sides, planish, check with sanding block, correct, repeat. And don't forget about hitting the edge of the skin when the face goes a little flat. Re-fit the door during the tacking phase. Fold patch edges during tacking phase. Don't tack skin edges until ready to commit.
And as you just saw... have a stud gun or something around... might help. :wink:
In the third from last pic, last post, on the easterly side you can see where I used MIG dots and cold wet rag with breeze to shrink down some last pesky big swollen spots around where it was beat out in antiquity. Same principle as the shrinking tip, but a much more effective (and messy) way to tackle big swells.
The door I am talking about looked fine shape wise but after the molasses bath it showed rust all along the bottom edge where the reveal is , enough that it will crack apart when pushed on. I am thinking I will cut about 4" up from there where the metal is solid and the shape is good . This panel will need to be bead rolled on 3 sides for the reveal and folded around the sides and bottom. It also curves out in the middle . For such a square looking cab it sure has enough curves !
One more spot up high, messing up the left half. I eventually got mud man and painter blessings on the left half but the right still needs work. High spot all around where that dent was.
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So I went down the hinge side jamb, fixing stuffs- This corner had been clearance ground long ago and was split-
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Swap ends, to the latch side jamb. Already tidied up a bunch of little shaggy spots-
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The following is just a countersunk hole "repair" IDJ style-
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Glass tub Bronco about ready to go home-
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In color yet! Years ago I dabbled in digital drawing, and had done quite a few. One day my three year old grandson managed to delete all of them, and I gave up on it.
Nice job.
Thanks, Frank. 8)
I've never had much success drawing with the computer or coloring on paper. Blending illustration and rendering seems to be an option though because I like the comic book look and can fix mistakes or experiment easier that way.
I cringe at your story because I know that tragic sinking feeling of lost work. Bad enough without having your faith tested at the same time. :wink:
Try again some time. It is fun on an indoor day and especially if doing your own car. :)
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Thanks for the update. This one has been a lot of work so far
Quote from: "chimp koose"Thanks for the update. This one has been a lot of work so far
It certainly has. Timing worked out so that when I left off, the vast majority of the fabrication involved is past. Now is the time to get it together. I have one month to go and will move through whats left as best I can. Surely the pace of progress will appear to move differently than it has because this time it goes together for keeps. Once I see some finished areas on what looks like a car, its gonna hit me that the project has an end. Thats gonna stoke my fire.
I have done what I could to inject perfection and corral a great herd of chaos. At this point, done trumps perfect like with any prewar build. So I'll do my best to stay between the lines from here on out but with the foundation now carefully laid, I can hopefully keep the proverbial hammer down. Again, I have to say thanks to the car and shop owners for providing this growth opportunity for me. They are brave souls and I do not want to let either down.
has this been your longest build to date
Quote from: "chimp koose"has this been your longest build to date
probably but maybe not by much
its the only car i was asked to construct
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Thats the right tub done. Well, I forgot and welded the inner flange on after pics. :roll:
Right drip rail on-
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With all the rattle can sanded off. Painter put epoxy on it this afternoon, no pic yet-
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Left tub and flange welded-
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Remind me to show you the side ventures involving a ruined Dodge Frame and a junkyard Lexus quarter. During every big job there are side ventures. :wink: :arrow:
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Right bottom corner of rear window panel-
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Did some planishing on this side also-
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Seam sealer around the pocket. Not enough, but a start-
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Again, mostly with screws but for keeps this time-
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I had trimmed for apron clearance on the left door, so-
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Thats ready to hang now. Hot diggity, its coming true!
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Tacked up the back window panel except for the top. Then slipped the roof support in-
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Usually this time of year when I leave work theres a pretty sunset on my right. Today, this-
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So, whats the silent treatment for? I might as well be posting to a fence. I guess it beats you guys speaking your mind about my pace. Any Americans still looking at this? We all know what a Model A looks like already, I know. :roll:
That's metal flake extreme on the station wagon!!
Quote from: "idrivejunk"So, whats the silent treatment for? I might as well be posting to a fence. I guess it beats you guys speaking your mind about my pace. Any Americans still looking at this? We all know what a Model A looks like already, I know. :roll:
I find that when grinding the edge of a door to make gaps, or when building up the edge of a door for the same reason, I fusion weld the edge with a small acetylene torch held at right angles to the skin. I just work the edge of the flame on the edge, and add filler rod as needed, going over it as many times as needed to get the shape that I want. You can clamp a piece of bar stock on the face as a heat sink to control warpage.
You can also use the bar stock when grinding the edge. Grind the face, then move the bar stock to where you want the new edge. Clamp in place, and grind to the bar stock. It gives you a nice straight edge.
Kind of on the home stretch eh . It must feel good putting it back together for one last time .
Thank for stopping in, gents. 8) Roof insert sure does lay better if it is underneath the quarters.
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Watching this has changed my perspective about model a's. I'll look at them differently to see how un-symmetrical they are. :)
Quote from: "kb426"Watching this has changed my perspective about model a's. I'll look at them differently to see how un-symmetrical they are. :)
A metal shaper guy said "We all know they are all a half inch taller on the right." but he never answered as to where within the panel the difference is. The seam between top and bottom half is horizontal, above the body line but below the side window. To me, it appears to be a fusion weld or whatever its called when you butt two edges, jam them together tight then turn loose the electrons. The amount of welding heat or the tension on the holding fixture could vary the height, if so. Thats my theory anyway.
I have the crooked rear view corrections all spotted, I also believe. Right rear roof corner radius is goofed, I will slice and dice to correct. Body line end on right quarter at window panel has goofed step at top. Bottom of roll pan needs to be pulled down on left end before tacking. Addressing those things should bring me to a point of sufficient eyeball symmetry to be able to tell the roof insert and sides exactly where to be.
Messed up pics last post, heres the one you missed due to the double dip flub up :arrow:
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It's staggering to think how far fit and finish have come since those days. What you've done to turn this thing symmetrical and gapped properly is enormous. Compare that to new cars. The cheapest of them have tight, consistent gaps which would be the envy of a Cadillac from the 1960s.
Quote from: "jaybee"It's staggering to think how far fit and finish have come since those days. What you've done to turn this thing symmetrical and gapped properly is enormous. Compare that to new cars. The cheapest of them have tight, consistent gaps which would be the envy of a Cadillac from the 1960s.
I was hunting for a page that would explain what happened in the auto manufacturing process that changed this. I was reminded that it was, of all people... Pontiac that implemented the change. At the Pontiac Plant. In Pontiac. On a Pontiac.
If a person researches the terms "space frame" and "mill and drill" as they apply to unibody construction, immediately it becomes obvious. I-CAR, Shark measuring equipment, and of course GM training sessions all introduced me to the theory many years ago.
A space frame (inner structure) is assembled and mounted on a very complex fixture referencing door openings, then attaching points for outer skin panels are all made by the fixed attachments on that fixture. This means even if the space frame construction is less than 100% accurate, the attaching points will be. On every car. A pad where the attaching point goes is located on the space frame and provides an area within which the attaching point can be anywhere. So the inner structure is "within a range" and attaching points are always a bullseye even if they end up on a corner of the pad.
The effect is not strictly for looks or ease of manufacture. It makes a car which is less likely to kill you in a wreck.A 60s Cadillac could send the hood corner through your face in a moderate frontal impact.
In a loose way, if you squint at it hard and use your imagination, similarities can be spotted in the approach I have taken and it seems natural to me because of my background. Even at this point, I suspect my door gaps will need to be much tighter. And theres a simple way to make that so.
In the page linked below, the bottom image and paragraph shed a little light on the subject:
http://www.fierofocus.com/articles/art-fiero-history.html
Howzabout I jump right in the middle of what I just rambled sbout? :shock: Read on :arrow:
This morning I once again straightedged quarters, doors, and cowl at gaps to get to some truth. Wasn't bad but passenger door needed about a foot long correction by trimming at bottom front-
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Then I moved the cowl rearward (yep, thats whut I sed) to tighten the whole gap up and scooted the door back a smidge-
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Now step back. Ain't that better? :D
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Well hush my mouth and call me corn pone! Thats a 3/16" ("averaged") gap. No more quarter inch spots of breathing room. Just right for eliminating the washers under the striker, too. :wink:
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Hoping this moves me toward the "like a fox" side of crazy a little. This was in mind the whole time, I just needed to see where things ended up at this stage. Mike likes them a smidge wide because mud and paint always haunts him in the end with tight spots. Boss wanted the cut and close gap maneuver. I think this way looks much better. Heres what I did, in case you can't decode all that- :roll:
I cut here and here-
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Like so. Only moved each corner of the cowl rearward by a cutoff wheel's width or two. I'd cut 'em, jam 'em back together, tack (see below), then trench out for another weld. That was enough to wash away the quarter inch blues. No need for all the excess rattle room now-
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This side still lacks a little nip and weld per the straightedge-
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But! Overall, these new door end gap widths please everyone so far, including me.The door to roof gaps are still not flush but the space is OK.
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Also, before removing the roof insert today I checked it crossways with a straightedge and moving front to rear. Its really good on the rib height, actually. Straightedge contacts center rib only at the ends, then three as you move toward center, then all five. Evenly, as it should be. The center rib has a two or three inch very shallow low spot just behind the B pillar flat area. Not enough for me to want to mess it up with a hammer. Easy mud fix but I can also shuffle padding over the inner structure.
So I am not too awful worried about the roof but must get the roof sides' roundness to match up before trimming for the insert. Here is the insert supported for inside sanding. Yes, it is that curved. Don't look that way right side up but that tells you how delicate it is. The middle flat spot is probably from just being in a box stood on end.
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Quote from: "idrivejunk"Quote from: "jaybee"It's staggering to think how far fit and finish have come since those days. What you've done to turn this thing symmetrical and gapped properly is enormous. Compare that to new cars. The cheapest of them have tight, consistent gaps which would be the envy of a Cadillac from the 1960s.
I was hunting for a page that would explain what happened in the auto manufacturing process that changed this. I was reminded that it was, of all people... Pontiac that implemented the change. At the Pontiac Plant. In Pontiac. On a Pontiac.
In the page linked below, the bottom image and paragraph shed a little light on the subject:
http://www.fierofocus.com/articles/art-fiero-history.html
Thanks for bringing that into the conversation. Now that you mention it I remember this clearly from the introduction of the Fiero. I loved the concept at the time because I admired the extreme precision of how it brought all the body panel mounts into perfect alignment with each other...as a unit in 3 dimensions.
To me the Fiero represents all the strengths and weaknesses of the American car industry in one vehicle. To sell a tiny sports car to upper management they had to disguise it as a 2 seater commuter car. Extremely innovative thinking allowed them to build a really nice little car at an excellent price point, and they flew out of the showrooms.
They did until the Toyota MR2 came along, anyway. The MR2 was a real sports car, with real sports car handling. It was a better car in very way, and should have been for its much higher price point. GM Marketing saw a little two seater selling for a much higher price and promptly jacked up the price of the Fiero to match. That killed the Fiero. Now it was an overpriced little car which didn't have the specs to compete against the MR2. Oh, and when they stuffed a V6 in it was a good move but the swap was poorly engineered and they tended to catch fire.
The last year finally had specs to match the new, higher price but it was too late. The damage to the model's reputation was done. Sales had dropped by over two thirds.
Fiero fans loved them and kept driving them for years after they were off the market.
Much like Saturn fans.
You got that right, holding stuff in the right place while you do other stuff is a biggie. You'll enjoy this part... :wink: :arrow:
I pulled the T strips out of the scrap pile and made matching templates- :idea:
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I have this side roughly tacked but matching the template- :D
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This side left to go-
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That ought to make a whale of a difference and make it look all the more authentic. 8) The roof support frame can easily adapt.
Roof underside got a shot of epoxy so look out :!:
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I found a neat tool that might help make templates easier . It is a plastic contour gage that tile setters use . I got one at home depot for about ten bucks and its about a foot long . It really helped me get my dented drivers 1/4 panel to match the other side. You could just shove it on and trace the contour , repeat farther down and match it up for longer than a foot cardboard contour gage.
Well, since it is chopped the template had to be shorter than the T strip. And I would need two to match what I am doing here. All I wanted was some of the straight vertical line to be there, the angle and height I'll check with a straightedge, level, etc. Just can't get a pic of myself holding it up there. :wink: All that matters is that the templates are level with each other and that the flat area sits at the same angle. Boss had a contour gauge, it was finally broken too much to use. These templates were as easy as being sure strips match each other, drawing around one, cutting two. Can't get much more sure fire or simple.
I guess thats the difference between a trained eye and me ! I made a horizontal line on both 1/4 panels at the same height and then vertical lines every inch , measured from the back of the door frame to use as comparison points for the gage . I come at body work from a machinist background so I rely on measuring rather than my very untrained eye.
CK, in all my travels on this project I did stumble onto one vertical reference point. With floor level, a perpendicular line will meet the back of the drip rail, follow the side window opening rear edge, and the point at bottom of quarter where wheel opening begins.
I have nothing against contour gauges.
I also have some interesting pictures for you. However if you wish to see them, you'll need to vizit my blog and go to the bottom.
http://chevroldsmobuiac.blogspot.com/2019/12/19dec.html?m=1
Stand by for an announcement-
lots of pictures there! 8)
You boys got ahold of the nozzle good? Opening the pic valve now. 86 the announcement, all is well. 8)
Got the T strip areas matched up-
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Went this far with fitting the roof insert via screws-
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Thats where I left off today. So far, so good. I also have the final version of trunk gaps to show, equally satisfactory. Knocking down the hard parts left and right here, yee haw. :)
The roof has plenty of support and the padding under it is infinitely adjustable so prospects for success are good.
I'll get back to catch up a little later on. :arrow:
I really do feel like a king when I work on this thing. I might miss that. :cry:
OH WELL! :lol:
I have not yet put the exactamundo on the roll pan, left one end kinda loose just in case. But I did start to, and its better than it has looked. Just loose.
Anyhow, these are the forever gaps on the trunk and among the piles of satisfying accomplishments contained in this project, it stands out for me. I would have trouble ranking roof, trunk, doors and might go bonkers if I tried. Each was like a level boss in a videogame.
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Guess who is back from blasting
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Will the circle (ever) be unbroken or will the cycle be broken? Whew.
It's not near as bad as some of the past!
Quote from: "kb426"It's not near as bad as some of the past!
We, the people in the grey room... all think its the worst ever. My take on it? Picture me lumbering toward it with blank stare and tools in outstretched arms, shuffling ever closer while making zombie noises.
The passenger side was just like I want it to look. Driver's side wanted to dance, to match it. I twirled her around the floor til she gave out and behaved. Now I just got the window panel tacked up. This is one touchy as hell operation but so far I've kept her in line. So far, so good. You guys travel safe if you do, for the holdays. I am going at it half the day tomorrow, and back at it Thursday. Probably same deal next week.
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Half a day of mostly massage work left rear roof corner. I have the sides and rear like I want. Mike and Ken both approve. Must be right. :arrow:
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Theres still a rib or two too curved at front but I took the visor out to plug weld these before tackling the roof front area. Then it was Christmas.
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While I'm posting... heres some random Imp shots-
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Only got three hours in today on the A, but I'll post five pics to fluff it up, howboutat? :)
Smooth, albeit slow and spotty, sailing thus far. Oil canning was encountered at the rear after a couple rows of tacks, caused by the window panel. Took me awhile but I found it there and wasn't suprised to. It was mainly affecting the insert so it was misleading. As always. Got past that. Pretty sure I could set a wheel and tire on roof without hurting it. Up the back of the roof, the T strip areas require a lower welder setting because both sides are ninety years old. Hammered as they are though, the roof sides are welding up fine.
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That last pic shows the visor sticking up leaving a gap. I only tossed it on with old screw holes. The extensions I added to the visor corners need some revision so it will drop on down for trimming.
I want to make some angle pieces to give a double wall at the glass bed, at least partially because one layer is too floppy.
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There's something about a hot rod with a ribbed roof. It's like the thin fender cars are just made for them.
One guy said ribbed roofs are so 80s. I said tell it to the owner. :lol:
Not much difference to show here, almost 3 hrs but I have the post welding straighten and planish done on all but a couple feet.
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Without fail, every person who sees this car has the same reaction I did. But thar she blows, blasted and epoxied. Why couldn't we just buy a better car?
Talk to the owner. :lol:
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I did it! :D
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I was surprised at the comment about the ribs. What did he think would take the flop out of a big piece of sheetmetal? People have been using ribbed station wagon tops forever. :)
Quote from: "kb426"I was surprised at the comment about the ribs. What did he think would take the flop out of a big piece of sheetmetal? People have been using ribbed station wagon tops forever. :)
I thought it was odd myself. That guy wanted smooth, I reckon. I am class of '84 and if I were asked what was "in" then, my answer is fiberglass. :?
Got the visor where I want it but I'll need to create a flowing radius where it turns down at the pillar. I believe it sits farther back than stock. I put the back tip of the visor's indent in vertical line with front of windshield post and ran the profile-viewed bottom of the sides of the visor parallel to the drip rail. Welding in progress. :arrow:
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IDJ , considering the type of build you are doing I think the ribs are one more modern touch added to the others that fit the style of build . I think the old upholstered filler in the roof might look a bit out of place when you see all the other mods like the flush mount doors , hidden hinges, widened ,tucked, bobbed fenders , frenched tail lights , etc. Style wise, if you hide the hinges it looks more natural with a filled roof as well . 8)
I don't have a preference myself, really. Just do whats in my stall. What they want, they get. Guy who commented probably thought it was my car. I always am sure to say it isn't but so few people look at the words. For all I know, the hood sides and Army paint will have geezers pitching rotten tomatoes at the thing. :lol:
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Closer!
Every day. :)
I reinforced the windshield opening on top and sides (forgot to weld to pillars yet) and started cleaning up and fitting the pan. I needed to turn my plug weld strip around but it was quittin time.
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coming along nicely there Matt 8)
Quote from: "chris spokes"coming along nicely there Matt 8)
Thank you sir. 8)
Got these welded to the pillars. No style points here-
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Same here. Scrap heap grabs as weld flanges on the seat braces-
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Out past the ends of the flange strip, some little kickup fillers will connect tub to pan. That will be where the gas pocket rain drain exits.
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Pan has epoxy on it now, this is prepped-
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Underside of floor rails will get brushed epoxy.
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Am I correct in thinking the owner drove the car in the condition that it arrived at the shop? It would be nice to hear back to back comparisons from a knowledgeable Model A owner. If I ever grow up and get successful, I'm going to have a shop with 12' sidewalls and a 2 post lift. :)
He was driving it. One visit, he brought a friend who had ridden in it with him. When asked how it was, they looked at one another with big eyes and he said "It... had some death wobble.". They erupted in laughter but while keeping that yeah it was scary face. It was probably the apple green wheels if you ask me, they clashed heavily. :lol:
He may not be up to snuff on prewar Fords, it was his Dad's car. Well at least a percentage of the sheetmetal was. When I showed him a 1959 mid engine Corvette prototype, he knew what that was though. His '20 mid-engine Corvette will be coming off the assembly line next month I think it was. Best of all, he was in today and was mighty pleased and I believe I get to follow on through now. He sold his GN.
Them twin posts are nice but not always what you need for bodywork. I bet you would be on cloud nine with one, seeing the type of work you do. We certainly rely on our three most every day. Takes minutes (seems like hours) to let a bare body down and lock release cable on the long side seems high maintainence, if I were to make critical observations. We sure could not hose floors like we do with a single post.
Mike reset the engine, back about another inch and a half. I took out the firewall.
While he was there, I asked if he would like to straighten out the trans xmember, it was tacked in crooked.
When I cut tacks, the rails spread out a quarter inch. No explanation found.
Body mount holes were now invalid and the body sits down on the output yoke.
I removed the middle section of front floor brace and trimmed pan enough to set it down, and also slotted firewall for brake pedal and cut the front body mount tabs off.
Mike says grille shell can go back where I had it and now theres radiator clearance.
Looks to me like the body needs to move forward, based on axle location.
To get body mount holes again after the rails spread out, I made a pattern from the frame.
Transferred to body and burred holes in the bottom wall of floor rail tubes only.
Thats where I left off, and I can see holes through holes again now.
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Yes, this was the only way I found to lift it-
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To me, based on axle position ( compare to yesterday's similar picture ), the body needed to move forward a little. Had Mike eyeball while I nailed it down.
I moved the body 3/4" forward-
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Engine sits here now-
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So now theres this-
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Then these-
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...and these. Path of least resistance gets the nod-
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I worked on body mounting Thursday and roll pan Friday. Going fine.
These fuzzy tablet pics will have to suffice but pic quality should return to normal next week. :)
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Glad to see you got to a workable solution...from among several good ones.
Maybe this is going off on a tangent, but I think you made a good point about the body and chassis depending on each other for stiffness. I'm asking here due to your collision repair experience. Of course we've got other people here who run or have run shops including Frank. The hot ticket in the muscle car world these days is to spend $14G on a full frame to put under a unibody car...then cut up the unibody to handle all the places where the new frame interferes with the underside of the car.
I'm sure that works well enough, but the resulting car has to be really heavy. After all, it has all the structural integrity of TWO cars...one body on frame, one unibody, albeit perhaps with the unibody compromised.
Might it be better to instead include/mimic the factory reinforcements added to special models? As an example, Mustang convertibles through 1970 had:
--Doubled floor panels under the front seats which tied together the front subframe, rocker panels, and turned the lower radius of the driveshaft tunnel into a triangular tube.
--Different (structurally stronger) seat platform.
--A plate to connect the two sides of the driveshaft tunnel.
--Inner rocker panels which ran from the front torque boxes to the rear torque boxes.
Shelby Mustangs triangulated the shock towers/fender aprons with:
--Export brace--one piece version of the stamped steel firewall braces used on standard Falcon-body cars.
--Monte Carlo bar.
Boss 302 Mustangs had:
--Pieces which triangulated the heavy part of the shock tower where the upper control arms mount to the outside of the frame rail.
--On track cars they tied the lower control arm mount to the bolt on crossmember which runs under the engine...engine crossmember or "belly bar."
Sometimes Mopar builders will brace the fender aprons to the outside front corner of the unibody, way up at the top flange and A pillar area so it's out of the way of tires.
In the rear seat area use a firewall firmly attached to the floor, package tray, wheel wells, and usually there are some shallow braces between the floor and package tray to stiffen things up.
Maybe there's a time advantage to slipping an Art Morrison or Roadster Shop chassis under a unibody car which makes it less expensive for a professional shop, but given what I've seen it seems unlikely. Obviously you get a bunch of cool tubular control arms and the like, but you can get that anyway.
If you take the approach above you don't get to power park with a sign that says "MaxG chassis," but other than that I see adding a whole bunch of stiffness with a lot less performance-robbing weight.
If this hijacks your build thread I apologize and maybe we can take it to another thread...should anyone be interested.
If anyone likes I can give a run down of some of the history of the migration from body on frame to unibody.
Part of the slipping another frame under the car thing is the speed of turn around in the shop I would think . The shop makes their profit margin on the frame and charges shop rate on the install , no complicated design work that you might have to eat if it runs into problems . Customer gets bragging rights on the XYZ chassis and gets to look like all the other big wheels at the car show. I ran into this with a co worker who wanted me to do a drivetrain swap in a Fiat X19 to some Honda setup. There was a bolt in Kit available for about $6000 and he thought that was expensive and wondered if I would be interested in making him a swap setup . I explained to him that at a shop rate of $60/hr all it would take is 100 hours and we would be at the cost of his kit{shop rates around here are north of $120/hr) . All the measuring of both vehicles and suspension etc , mid engine car , designing and fabricating etc might put a guy pretty close to that number anyways . If he buys the kit he can start swapping right away . Not saying its the best way to do things from an engineering standpoint but it keeps things less complicated /more profitable and the customer has a vehicle with a nationally advertised chassis under it that may be easier to sell some day . Thread officially derailed , sorry :oops:
Jaybee-
Honestly now that the outer panels are where they go on the A, I would just as soon chop out the upper part and put up a sheetmetal inner layer instead, in anticipation of a cage being added. I never been a big tubing fan and my experience thus far is that it can be difficult!
To answer your curiosity, I say look to the Catalina. If you cut the entire floor out of a car body, thats a blank rectangle from bumper to bumper.
There is no reason I can see that a universal fabbed here or stamped over there all sheetmetal chassis and floor in one assembly with adjustments to fit any size and holes for popular everything couldn't be a viable offering based on where things are headed. Get the right size front and rear chassis sets then grab the right sheetmetal flange adapter kit for your car and take that to checkout on this cart. Have a good day, sir!. :roll:
I also don't see any reason that in the case of the A, that if the customer wanted me to I could not weld the body to the frame.
Remember the quick scraps that join floor pan to seat braces? Easy to chop out. It will need a seat brace or mount gussets at the very back.
Have lots of thots but can only do whats in my stall. Have I thought of doing a lightweight engineer to my GP? You betcha. Tube frames just hit the market spot and suit the majority. And as one might find, shaping sheetmetal beyond 18 gauge is not for the meek or most tools. You need some of at least that around the subframe or suspension. Thats probably why you don't see it.
Quote from: "enjenjo"If anyone likes I can give a run down of some of the history of the migration from body on frame to unibody.
Shoot :)
Quote from: "chimp koose"Part of the slipping another frame under the car thing is the speed of turn around in the shop I would think . The shop makes their profit margin on the frame and charges shop rate on the install , no complicated design work that you might have to eat if it runs into problems . Customer gets bragging rights on the XYZ chassis and gets to look like all the other big wheels at the car show. I ran into this with a co worker who wanted me to do a drivetrain swap in a Fiat X19 to some Honda setup. There was a bolt in Kit available for about $6000 and he thought that was expensive and wondered if I would be interested in making him a swap setup . I explained to him that at a shop rate of $60/hr all it would take is 100 hours and we would be at the cost of his kit{shop rates around here are north of $120/hr) . All the measuring of both vehicles and suspension etc , mid engine car , designing and fabricating etc might put a guy pretty close to that number anyways . If he buys the kit he can start swapping right away . Not saying its the best way to do things from an engineering standpoint but it keeps things less complicated /more profitable and the customer has a vehicle with a nationally advertised chassis under it that may be easier to sell some day . Thread officially derailed , sorry :oops:
Interesting points. See my other post and think universal adjustable RWD front engine, two or three sizes fits all old car floor/chassis assembly combo sets in thirds from Taiwan with a-dapter kit and SAE threads. Available for gas or electric versions, would you like it assembled and wired? :lol:
You guys are lucky, see... now you have seen how one other person (me) would end up building. If you liked parts of the design, theres your pattern.
Interesting thoughts , just spitballing but I have thought that a prius or similar drivetrain would be a neat modern swap into an early center door T . I have never even looked at the drivetrain to see if it might work and at the speed I do things I would need to be a spry 100 year old to complete the task ! :lol:
Quote from: "enjenjo"If anyone likes I can give a run down of some of the history of the migration from body on frame to unibody.
Heck yeah, that would be interesting.
I suppose I could even out the shagnasty upturned inner lip on the grille shell by trimming. And I suppose I could reattach the old cowl lip or fab a resemblance. But those look so yuck. Anybody got an option E for me here? I have a few ideas-
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I vote "C." It hides the butt edge under the seal, creates a nice, rolled edge, and will be plenty strong.
C is growing on me. I keep wanting to just fab the part under the hood top and put the original edges back. It had a line of rust just under where the old chrome molding went and thats gone now. I think I have the front edges from the cowl sides but if I recall correctly the top section was part of the tank. Or a seperate piece. I probably cut a front edge off the new smooth cowl top panel.
Every time I have gone to the keep scraps to fish out those edges, I have been distracted by a tangent and not done it. Today it was the overslam bumpers off the rumble setup. I keep wanting to put those in the bottom corners of the trunk lid opening now but no-no they don't work with the redesign. Wonder how many times I've done that. Does this behavior indicate that retirement is approaching? :? :?: :lol:
I don't feel so bad about that after learning more about earth's history, what with mankind itself being stuck in a repeating loop and all. :roll:
That thought ran long. Another age alert, haha. Pics coming up next. :) I spent the day at the other end of the rod.
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I just knew you wanted to see down in that briar patch. :lol: That area gets capped off with filler pieces already made. Do you guys think I should box the backside of the roll pan, between fenders where its one layer? Looks like a pebble collector / air scoop but will probably fly with just the fillers. They go in line with the inner tub wall.
This is just a peek at where the engine sits now. Much better, and the gas pedal position (right heel area to-be) is still not objectionable to me at this point. But now theres a sportin' chance of getting all the things betwixt engine and radiator.
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Once I got to messing around under there I noticed that moving the body forward had created a tight spot at the top rear of the frame-
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With shims, it was almost making contact. So I decided if you want the shock mount bolts to come out of the frame, raising the body will be required henceforth. Made a new drop-off panel and it is slicker than before. I will also box the backside of the roll pan with another panel.
Until today-
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Cut the drop down part of the trunk pan ext'n out-
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Whipped this out-
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So it is like this now-
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The top part all hides behind the frame from underneath. :)
Got that top row welded up, and some other various stuff. Found a use for the old shock bolt hole covers too.
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This goes inside the roll pan underneath the trunk latch support-
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This will be a third layer at the lower, lapped seam-
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Goes in like this, but is shown just kind of pushed into place and not fastened. A forward extension of the roll pan. Need weld holes on edge of pan but you get the idea-
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Stick head in trunk, look toward knee. Back edge of trunk well pan welded to tail panel. Not a nice looking seam but secure-
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I'll need to epoxy stuff before that piece goes in, of course.
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Dang, that last pic you posted is the best one yet! This is going to a hot looking beast.
I still only see one tail light opening. Is this being rethought?
The car does have some squatty attitude at low angles.
Once I had a tail light spot in there it occurred to me that the angle of the top may need adjustment once the car is at an established rake with meats in place. Parallel to the floor may appear to stick up and I don't want an uphill pod but slightly downhill as it slopes to the bezel. That and the body will undoubtedly be the first thing tackled after me, parts probably later.
Leveled the car, checked bottom of roll pan... nailed it. :D
Moving onward and upward, checking other key horizontal elements, the roughed-in trunk rear gap needed more whittling to make the gap not only consistent but also level. The tail panel bottom bead droops on the right side but is within range of reasonable mud shaping there and already knew that. Same with the sort of sloppy tag pocket opening and the slightly off back window opening but those are metal fixes if determined to be issues. Starting at the bottom and working my way up. Towards that day when I, and we, can look at it from behind and be satisfied.
Sliced and tapped the top part down-
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Took Frank's advice this time and welded thick metal onto that right side.
There was trimming and welding on the left half of the lid edge also, and it is still just roughed in because the foldover on the inside is kind of a mess still.
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Checking stuff-
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New meat-
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Spent most of the morning measuring that fastback. Owner wants it in primer. An individual put floors, rails, quarter, etc on it for him. It had been sideswiped and rusted. Looks like the B pillar caught a sawzall as part of the "collision repair process"-
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Left side done-
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Trunk side gaps are awful tight. Using a fresh posterboard edge, checking for even tighter spots-
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Lid sides are nice and I can move it side to side a little. Main qtr lump over here, I can solve while closing in that left corner-
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Still pretty tight. Doesn't need rattle room, can be snug but the right side is about as maximum tight as I would like while the left is just barely tighter than that. I made it that way because in this case wider is not better, with the perimeter seal surface so narrow. Figured I could shove the jambs apart with a friction jack at this point, with quarters just tacked to jambs. That did not work, I tried. Too rigid, I was going to hurt stuff pushing it.
So how do a sixteenth side gaps grab ya? :?: :arrow:
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Gaining. :)
Getting started at front of trunk. Gaps all around are at about 1/8" now and heights are OK but the bead going across the window panel still sits high on the right. I had to level the Mustang on stands and re-measure it. Somehow I messed up, probably didn't crank the jack handle hard enough. Today I mostly just got it semi leveled and got a quick few measurements. Enough to see its not that bad.
Heres where I left off the A. I don't doubt that once I get the bead down on the right, I will have to bring the roof down as well. Which means the structure behind that, too. We will see.
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I have one trunk front corner welded-
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At long last, I am satisfied and verified, confirmed and committed...
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Except for the way too narrow trunk lid side gaps. Sooo, this cut ended up going the whole way down-
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The plan there is to move the lid to the right and only cut the already a mess side. It will work. I shall try to build a case for fabbing a new bead rather than causing a bondo guy to need psyche help later.
As she stands... (I was caught up in my own Mustang measuring quagmire part of the half day) Seemed like a long week, man.
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:)
Model A man says the supercharger is a sure thing. Boss is ready to see some mud on it. I am about ready to button up door openings, etc and get the aprons back on. I stuck a back tire under it for a few minutes during the customer visit today, to stare at and perpetuate enthusiasm. They were working at colors to paint the wheels which I bet will be here in April or May. My mind is starting to go on the '51 already as I finish this It was a messy weather day for some around here today so I spent the first half of the AM sanding Cat grille shell pieces.
Quote from: "kb426":)
I find myself thinking of it in past tense, KB. :)
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Oh, but she's a fighter... :roll:
The bead was too flat there at the bottom-
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So... :roll: :roll:
I cut it at the gap, about halfway up, and tried again-
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Alas, a flat spot remains up where I didn't go far enough :roll: :roll: :roll:
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So there I am, and here we are. :)
Tap, trim, bend, adjust, done. :D
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Gaps ok, seal fit OK, bondo under 1/8" OK, function OK. IDJ, OK.
So I squared up the tag pocket with cut n weld-
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Just a corner showing how gap is filled by mockup weatherstrip pieces-
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Connected the cable, sort of :lol: -
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and-
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More trimming needed but this ought to suffice for getting gas in-
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Of course the flap and quarter positions weren't still exact so adjustments were required. I remembered needing to extend the arm tangs and that helped. So did making a stubby allen wrench to clamp arm to hinge-
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Stuck the front tank house wall back in-
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:)
Oh, me and my overly elaborate gimmickry :roll:
Gas flap arm didn't clear the cap anymore. It was suggested to trim the cap so I did that-
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Working to mount right apron currently-
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As you may remember, I folded back the part that sandwiches between body and frame originally-
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I put a row of screws there-
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Still has too much gap under the body for my liking-
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So I marked apron at body edge for a new row of holes about an inch in from there-
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Tried the door sill I had made back on-
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But I have since had an idea for a better way or ways. Stay tuned. Here are areas where the right side fenders need work at corners-
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Retrimmed the apron, put screw holes out near body edge. Installing apron between pan and floor rail to help the body to apron gap-
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Was unable to get screws through below the cowl. Too many odd thick layers and welds, broke all my bits and shoulders plus spine are on the verge of inop. Had to stop there. Gap looks like so, which satisfies me-
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I had to just pick up the mess and start a sit down task. Was ready to hang front fender but there was my erronious cut from the rough sketch phase in it-
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Beats nothing, I reckon. I am sore and bed is calling.
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Wow, little bitty adjustments just all over the car. Reminds me of a 48 Buick I saw one year in the showcase area at Des Moines Goodguys. Among everything there this one just sucked me in because the whole car was gapped like a Lexus...perfect and uniform everywhere you looked. The owner was there, he admitted it took a whole lot of time and work to get it that way.
Quote from: "jaybee"Wow, little bitty adjustments just all over the car. Reminds me of a 48 Buick I saw one year in the showcase area at Des Moines Goodguys. Among everything there this one just sucked me in because the whole car was gapped like a Lexus...perfect and uniform everywhere you looked. The owner was there, he admitted it took a whole lot of time and work to get it that way.
This wasn't a maroon 48 Roadmaster convertible was it? I was involved in the build of one like that about 25 years ago. The bodyman worked on that the best part of a year, full time. One of the few unlimited budget cars I have worked on. The body line on the front fend ran from the headlight to the rear bumper at the same angle all the way.
I don't know where the "unlimited budget" idea comes from but the fact I am fixing these spots really shouldn't wow anyone. Unless "anybody" would paint the car leaving them alone. People don't come to us for garbage. Look at the befores again-
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I don't know where the "unlimited budget" idea comes from but the fact I am fixing these spots really shouldn't wow anyone.
The unlimited budget comment was not directed at you, and what you are doing. In the case I am talking about, the owner paid my labor rate, plus my union health and welfare benefits for me to build his chassis while I took a layoff from my regular job for 5 weeks. The car we started with was a nicely restored car with no problems. Even though it was a very nice car to begin with, every panel was reworked. For instance the rear fenders were cut into 17 pieces and reassembled along with parts of another pair of fenders to get the shape he wanted, and all seams were hammer welded and metal finished inside and out. It was upholstered in white leather.. twice, the owner was not happy with the color the first time. He spent well over six figures to have this car done, and likely half of that was wasted on things that made no difference in the finished car.
My gruff stuff wasn't directed at you or anybody enjenjo, it just has nowhere else to go. I am not too good at boxing up personal frustrations and they come out. I ought to immerse myself in the treasure trove of newfound rod reference materials I stumbled onto and relax. :wink:
Some of the 40s-early 50s builds seen and read about are out of this world. I can only imagine the one you got in on is right up there. The scale thing has always been and always will be tough to grasp. Hungry artists destroying themselves to be part of glorious constructions of wealth is timeless. My mantra, credo, rule or whatever... is to do all I can to see to it that the customer has it their way as much as possible. Newest guy was inquiring today about where-to-stop guidelines, frustrated over clarity of instructions and I laid guidelines as best I could. Once a task is yours, you will make some decisions on it BUT... you better have a clear picture of how the boss sees it. I found that asking, upon reciept of new big task or parts to repair or prepare, for a number between one and five or ten as to quality can help translate wishes in a nutshell.
I spent at least an hour conversing today, mainly with Pantera and 51 blown Coyote pickup dudes but also boss and bodymen. Lots to think about and the customers are so pleased it is unreal sometimes. Lots of returning thank yous and giving handshakes and getting donuts and pizza and treats. Little old dusty smelly us appreciate that. Got a good story off Pantera guy today and Mr Biscayne & '51 shared ideas he likes... see thru speedo cluster a'la later T bird or Fairlane and the car tail lights that are an oval laid horizontally, 50 or 54. Conversations run together at this point, visited my folks today too. Friday half days are starting to be distraction days. :roll:
But I made some progress which I will gladly show you as I wind down conversation mode for the day. :arrow:
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I figured that cowl lip is the dead simplest thing I can tack up there that Mike or I could potentially just fill in between it and the firewall. Cowl needs some touch up welding and such, and theres finishing to be done on the front fender next time it is off as well. I did take that angle iron off the cowl-hood today.
Couldn't finish another week without something going on the cowl. After some rest and with some new 1/8" bits I'll tackle the left apron stuff and whatever board bracket refitting is necessary. I do hope that fabrication continues to be part of my work but just repairing for awhile might be refreshing, as it frees my mind to process life more as opposed to forcing a stream of creativity as in fabrication. Looking forward to new projects but I will kind of miss this one, it has been quite the teacher.
I will let you guess whats in these boxes-
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Quote from: "enjenjo"Quote from: "jaybee"Wow, little bitty adjustments just all over the car. Reminds me of a 48 Buick I saw one year in the showcase area at Des Moines Goodguys. Among everything there this one just sucked me in because the whole car was gapped like a Lexus...perfect and uniform everywhere you looked. The owner was there, he admitted it took a whole lot of time and work to get it that way.
This wasn't a maroon 48 Roadmaster convertible was it? I was involved in the build of one like that about 25 years ago. The bodyman worked on that the best part of a year, full time. One of the few unlimited budget cars I have worked on. The body line on the front fend ran from the headlight to the rear bumper at the same angle all the way.
This one was a metallic forest green with saddle tan top and interior. Credit the owner for not trying to take all the credit. Without hesitation he said he just paid the bill, his bodyman was the real genius.
Hey guys, silly question(s)... is it safe to assume no sunvisors? :?:
Is the whizbang interior man going to want to use a cardboard headliner?
Will he need an extra flange just behind the windshield bed?
Do we want the metal or the upholstery to make the corner where jamb becomes interior?
Thats the tip of the iceberg in the interior attachment dep't which is in my pro-active thoughts.
I think if I finish all that out and get the cowl lip and hood latching rig in place but leave radiator mounting and firewall / front floor / toe board area and dash mounting unfinished, that will be best for Mike to pick up and carry onward. But I am now thinking of what sort of "leave" (in billiard or golf terms) makes an easy putt for the interior guy too. He is a seasoned pro, I am green as grass in that area.
Your thoughts, advice, input, examples, etc are invited. Based on what I have shown along the way. Help me generate sensible options. I don't want what I do to dictate what goes in it, but do want to provide an easy foundation to build on. Around the side and back windows and in the trunk I have good mental pictures already but the rest is just so wide open. :?: :idea: :arrow: :?
Thank you much. :)
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I kind of like the first one too. But if you know who is going to do the interior, I would ask them what they prefer.
I am going to set it up like a modern pickup door jamb, weatherstrip and all. I think. You'll see. I have the left side pieces attached and gapped but the left rear fender is off to weld a fix where it meets apron. Rushed out so just this pic today-
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I just trimmed the front lip off the big flange from the new cowl top panel, patched where the center dip was, and used it.
This is the 56 pickup dash to be recombobulated for the A-
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I'm looking forward to see how the dash evolves. I have 2 50 Ford car dashes that I bought to put in the 32. I saw one that had 13 pie cuts to make it work. I became too busy driving it so I have the dashes stored for something else.
The cluster is intended to end up in the center. Cutting of new part required just to see if the cluster fits it. The fiberglass piece may only get used as a reference for a new construction, I am told. I doubt I will recieve the task myself. I produced a rendering that can be found somewhere in this thread which depicts round vents at each end. An aftermarket cluster using a stock bezel has also been shown previously.
I may have talked boss into having a metal lower dash and upholstered fiberglass upper. Today I started just wrapping up various loose ends, the 51 job begins Monday per the current plan.
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I finished that thing in the last pic then did door jamb stuff but didn't take any pics this afternoon.
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Grille is a little crooked in the pics, but thats about all! :)
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Anyone who thinks flush fitting doors on these cars will be easy should read this thread. It's like you've built an entire car inside the Model A body panels.
I don't believe theres an attention span alive that could! :lol:
Its only butt welds to the moon. :roll:
But you are right, thats exactly what I did. How I did will come to light.
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Notches left to be filled behind hinge arms with door off and once stops are established.
Guy that was gonna bring the 51 inside today didn't show. Fine by me! :wink:
I got whimsical and wanted to see a seat and some meat-
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That is a lot of rubber there , looks right at home in those big fenders 8)
Heck yeah, that is one rubbery looking rod rear ain't it. Almost looks chewy! I bet it turns some heads for a double take and hope it gets him the epic comments he shall deserve. :shock: 8)
I keep meaning to dig out a couple pipe slices to hang down there like exhaust tips.
Dropped bolts in the provided lower hinge tubes' door stop holes-
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Doors stop here.
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That could be adjusted for a little more opening and still allow an undisturbed bed for the weatherstrip. As you know, current clearance allows the doors to go straight out. That will change when doors come off to fill in the notches in the quarter jambs outboard of the hinge. Which is next, but the 51 job is due to start.
We wanted to do something about the pokey outy hurty ugly upper hinge pocket corners and heres what I did, along with working my way up the B pillars finishing as much as I can before taking doors off and maybe turning over the reins. Still have not connected jamb above door. Pieces are tacked but don't quite reach so may make new or shuffle.
At least these random scrapesque pieces came from common patterns at the start and the result doesn't scream asymmetry. But it went a little freehand. The objectives were to soften the shoulder space intrusion and provide a more smooth, sensible boundary for interior panels that will require less magic to work around. Where the door trim panel meets qtr trim panel above the hinges, the contour mismatch is much less severe.
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Had Sweepy drag the old seat out. Can't wait to toss that in and find out where we stand. Or rather, sit.
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I just got the hinge notches filled on one quarter and put the door back on.
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What size are those rears, 315s?
Quote from: "jaybee"What size are those rears, 315s?
Pfft. :roll: Metric? As if...
:lol:
I believe even the Cat has 335s.
They are 18". Mickeys. I showed the labels somewhere in remote antiquity. Wheels 20" diameter, 15" wide with about 6" backspace are to be ordered custom. Steel, from US Mags. Center resembles a Chevy rally wheel slightly and is to be painted and the actual rim is chrome. Big smooth center cap. If you backtrack you can read all about it. Updates are due to stagnate as I handed off the A to Mike today. New thread coming soon :arrow:
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^^^^^
Who made the chassis sitting next to the A? Is that for the F1?
Quote from: "kb426"^^^^^
Who made the chassis sitting next to the A? Is that for the F1?
Roadster Shop. Yes. :)
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:shock: 8) :D :0-0
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From wiley Coyote to big bad wolf!
I see many complications on the horizon. :) This will be interesting to see where the intercooler get's hidden. 650 hp in a Model A will be wild! :)
Complications-R-Us :) We do hard stuff. Pretty much exclusively. But we figure this A might be a bit overweight so... our hero doesn't want to miss out on any oomph.
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Bonus eye-filling interim rodder fodder-
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That will fricasee your retinas in full sun. Shop neighbor has a Roadrunner that orange. The pearl face is green, its a trip. The bug is a solid color and they are preparing the fresh black FJ chassis for that red tub. Fastback fixer has rocker and B pillar in place and is fitting door / sorting out the A pillar.
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What's the plan for the ends of the dash?
Quote from: "kb426"What's the plan for the ends of the dash?
He may not have one yet, I don't know.
This is the rendering I did that you saw here most of a year ago. Boss chose the vents specifically-
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This is a one minute sketch I handed him once I saw where he was headed yesterday. It reminds me of some of the other previous ideas of mine.
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I love it because it's a unique solution.
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I like where you are going with that dash 8) I am using the gages from a 52 ford truck in my coupe but in a slightly reworked stock dash
Mike started on the 3 way hood latch and hinge setup-
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You know as much as me about these hood sides but thats where he left off.
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The beginning of the bubbles!
Quote from: "kb426"The beginning of the bubbles!
I don't think any of us can know what they will look like. I am certain they will not use my idea though. I did offer to make them and theres nobody to work on it now.
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*! Again? I guess... :roll:
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You'd think the firewall would be in it. Nope-
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Amazing. No matter how you stack it, the doors work the same. :)
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just wow , how much better it is than when it came in ! :D
Those apple green wheels are gonna be hard to top though! :lol:
Bryan drew first mud on it this week-
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Matt, you've come a long way on this one!
I suppose so. Thanks on behalf of the crew. If I turn back to look, my personal car hobby isn't even a speck on the horizon anymore. Miss that. Already forgot a lot of things about the A, and can't be looking too close at what happens to it from here out. Looks like it will probably get finished. :)
Well, my response to that was overly bleak and un-called-for. I beg your pardon, jaybee. You know me. :oops: Thanks.
Have a fresh picture-
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Matt , I think you need to go to a site like the HAMB and have a look at some of the model A chops done there and then give yourself a big pat on the back for a job WELL DONE . I look at the back side window on your job and it just looks great . Not knocking others work , its just that the proportions of that window vary from one job to another . Yours is spot on ! 8) 8) 8)
Thank you, CK. All the chop amount credit goes to Mike, he knew to do the 3/2. I visit HAMB regularly and think most I see are straight chops.
I would swear that all I did was chop then make ends meet, as far as the side window goes. But... since I was also flushing doors, filling roof, and tucking new drip rails... that window area was cut into more sections than normal which perhaps gave me more control.
Glad you find it asthetically pleasing, thats the whole point. :D
I think it will make a tidy little car and hope it keeps the purists and traditionalists busy pointing and puzzling. It will probably get called fiberglass more than once!
Looks like recent activity around back of trans. Perhaps a swap to a less bulky output yoke. And trans mount / hoop stuffs.
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I've never seen that before. :shock:
Quote from: "kb426"I've never seen that before. :shock:
Me either. It will have a place of honor on "the wall..."
So would you guys want the firewall butt welded or plug welded? All the way around?
Would you want some sort of visual feature on it?
Friend of mine did that with mosquito screen and bondo on the rear quarters of a mid 70s 6 cyl camaro . Sold it to a used car lot out of town and took the greyhound home ! These days he does truly amazing work , you gotta start somewhere :lol:
My friend in high school had a 68 RS with nothing but newspaper wads on top of the remnants of a windshield upper brace, covered by mud. The wall actually has a whole can of bondo that was mixed in a Mustang rear pan. It knows no boundaries. :shock:
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So that cab was not as nice as it looked. :shock:
Less decieving in person perhaps but I would call it par for the course.
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Model A is looking good. I wondered what polyester primer looked like when somebody besides me sprayed it. Now I know. From what I have learned. it's too thick to spray without orange peel. Is that always the case?
If a peel free surface is the objective, polyester would be used out of context. You have seen plenty of it that I sprayed over the years. :wink:
If its a hint type tip you'd like... our man expressed concern for this (We have not settled on a new brand since our previous favorite became extinct). I advised thusly and would with any of them: I tapped the mid temp reducer can then gestured 5 fingers, saying last coat or if its going badly. Kills your build. Acetone may be recommended but flashes way too fast IMO. Some throw 10% cleanup thinner in all coats but me and the guy agree that while presentation can be a factor, reduction defeats the purpose and should be kept to a minimum. Fortunately, our man is a gun hand and had the right one. I told him good job. 8)
Quote from: kb426Model A is looking good. I wondered what polyester primer looked like when somebody besides me sprayed it. Now I know. From what I have learned. it's too thick to spray without orange peel. Is that always the case?[/quote
I add extra reducer to get it to flow and lay down. If it goes on to rough, all your blocking goes into taking out the texture. My 2 cents
In California they thin with acetone because they are very limited on how much reducer they can use. in most cases one gallon per month per painter. I have used acetone when I am going to do a double coat coat on a small part as it flashes off so fast. A resonably thick coat of polyester is not a problem since it cures from the inside out.
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:)
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Matt, what is the color choice on the A?
Like a medium olive green solid.
cant wait to see it in color 8)
I anticipate disappointment with the color choice personally but just seeing it in primer with doors on was a good thrill. :) Mixed with some apprehension over ignored advice and things not tended to. Yet. The owner deserves a big pat on the back for sticking with it!
So does F1 man. He asked for an update yesterday and was pleased. He had probably just gotten the bill that includes the hood hinge battle. Fortunately, the results I produce seem to keep them interested. Times like that do test the boss's ability to walk the line, just as much as they push the boundaries of my ability. He won't charge a full day for one that ain't worth that. So far, together we grow and get paid. The follow-through is there and some truly nice rides leave.
I heard that some of the mag article writer photographer guys have gotten together to produce a couple new magazines. One about rods and one about trucks, and it sounds as though a handful of our current builds are of interest as features. :)
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1 week to color?
If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas which you might be interested in. :) If you were doing the work, probably so.
I believe they are going to skip some critical areas like not bolting fenders on so the gap can be checked, and leveling out of body lines in the rear view. No idea when or how it will be. You guys want to skip ahead to color, I can wait until then to show it again.
51 metal work continues, see blog-
http://chevroldsmobuiac.blogspot.com/2020/05/20may.html?m=1
Thanks for posting to your blog . I really like those side supports in the foot well area of the truck cab . Has covid slowed things down much at your workplace ? I have not been able to spin a lathe or mill anything in over 2 months as the school I teach at has been closed . Kind of kills the car buzz for me . As a result I have been slowly picking away at the engine for my T.
Quote from: "chimp koose"Thanks for posting to your blog . I really like those side supports in the foot well area of the truck cab . Has covid slowed things down much at your workplace ? I have not been able to spin a lathe or mill anything in over 2 months as the school I teach at has been closed . Kind of kills the car buzz for me . As a result I have been slowly picking away at the engine for my T.
Zero slowdown of work due to virus. Business as usual! That must be horrible, the tool withdrawal. I wonder about the kids. Stay on those Ford projects, or else it could end up like this one-
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:lol:
They suprised me and fixed that body line at top of roll pan. Oh, me of little faith. :roll:
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More polyester :)
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They have that door hung too low.
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Same one, other side-
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I made the piece for the middle-
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How rusty is the rest of the Mustang? The A is coming along good. :)
It came in already having had floors, rear rails, core support, etc, done. A multitude of poorly done and incomplete repairs had been made and in addition to rust there was a hard sideswipe. Previous repairman did not even connect torque boxes to floor, big gap instead. If it answers the question, there was about a square foot of inner cowl patched over the pedal area by our guy. It was par but is now down to the quarter and wheelhouse shown.
IDJ sorry to report that other than a partially completed engine , I have done no car work in the past 10 weeks . :cry: My home shop is packed so full of things I needed to bring home from work that I have very little room to work . I dare not do welding for fear of a fire as things are too cramped . I currently have 2 cars , a chopper ,3 engine ,trans,diff combo's .numerous spare cranks ,heads and intakes , a full size mill 44" table , lathe and supporting tooling , rims ,tires ,spare model T fenders and my pet chinchilla in his big cage all in my 2 car garage . It looks like we will not be holding classes from school in september so I may be pitted in for some time . :(
Quote from: "chimp koose"IDJ sorry to report that other than a partially completed engine , I have done no car work in the past 10 weeks . :cry: My home shop is packed so full of things I needed to bring home from work that I have very little room to work . I dare not do welding for fear of a fire as things are too cramped . I currently have 2 cars , a chopper ,3 engine ,trans,diff combo's .numerous spare cranks ,heads and intakes , a full size mill 44" table , lathe and supporting tooling , rims ,tires ,spare model T fenders and my pet chinchilla in his big cage all in my 2 car garage . It looks like we will not be holding classes from school in september so I may be pitted in for some time . :(
You need to take the time and build an addition on your garage. GPster
GPster I am out of space , the only way is up.
Maybe this'll cheer you up / light a fire under ya-
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:D
I never have had a good place to work on my junk. So we don't know what you're missing. :wink:
She ain't real happy about being an outdoor pet but she has good days. 8)
that car just looks sinister 8)
Her halo just doesn't show up in photos. :wink:
Incarnated, she would be an old hag former goth chick with neck tattoos and nothing unpierced. :lol:
I like her better this way. :)
You all wanted color... well... you know what Ford said about that:
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I get the feeling here that photos containing body filler are either percieved as some sort of admission of guilt, or as something too hideous to reveal. Oh well. Five people, tops, visit. So here are the latest primer shots and you can guess what it looked like before priming-
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Zero truck pics, too. Zero interest, zero participation. :)
Nothing wrong with filler in moderation. Particularly compared to spraying coat after coat of high build primer to claim no filler was used.
You know every car ever built had some type of filler on it. From lacquer paste in the 1920s to Polyester today. Anyone who says different is lying! If we were perfect there would be no need for block sanding. I am amazed at what you do with parts that should have been scrapped.
You said a couple months ago that you wanted to slow down on the posting, so I have not been mentioning the F1 although what you have been doing looks well done. I like the work on the back of the cab.
Thanks. The not posting F1 here has given me back a great deal of much needed time. :)
But nobody wants to know theres filler on things. I think knowing how to do filler work is very important and I did it almost exclusively for years. But theres nothing there people want to learn, nobody wants to do it or be caught near it, and its somebody else's job now. But its part of the car build and has to be done well and I think it would be misleading to not show it. Whether I am satisfied with any aspect of the post-Matt work on the job is for me to know. :wink:
I use filler and it doesn't bother me one bit. I've seen plenty of snobbery in the auto world. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes not. I have yet to meet someone who does everything as good as it can be. I'm on the bottom of the totem pole and know it. The alternative is to not do anything. Not going to happen until I physically can't do it. :)
I changed spark plugs in a FWD V6 yesterday and need to push mow today but my hands hurt so bad I feel near that point myself. Bondo is the thing that had pretty much blown away my right arm right before it was broken. Often I catch myself staring at my hands wondering how I can still use them at all. Fabrication is probably the kindest position in the house as far as bad hands go, but it is often a hundred air hose coupler uses a day and often near constant air tool use for the entire work day. So yeah I don't want any part of it either but its part of a project and observers can learn from pics. Making that guys life a little easier is why I show this stuff at all.
Its usually the guy that has never attempted body work that scoffs at using bondo . Armchair expert. I know enough about bodywork to know that i don't know enough about bodywork . Every time I do body work , most of the materials I used the last time are obsolete/illegal . I will body/paint my T but it will be single stage paint . And a little metalflake in a place yet to be determined! I can't wait to see the A in colour .
Its usually the guy that has never attempted body work that scoffs at using bondo . Armchair expert. I know enough about bodywork to know that i don't know enough about bodywork . Every time I do body work , most of the materials I used the last time are obsolete/illegal . I will body/paint my T but it will be single stage paint . And a little metalflake in a place yet to be determined! I can't wait to see the A in colour .
Well, its rusted crud
Its dust and mud
Its the roar of the forum crowd.
Its the sand on the paper
The hand of the shaper
Bucking for the next year's show.
Its gloves and masks
and week long tasks
with a spreader and a mixing board.
Its stains on your hands
and regardless of brand
They call it's name Bondo!
Woa-Woah
:lol:
I wish they could all go with pearl colors, six sided mica FLAKEs look soooo good on round things. :D
For a while it was all the rage for the big dollar guys to show cars in bare metal, implying that you knew you were looking at something really perfect. I'll grant the welds have to be finished flat and free of pinholes and there can't be any creases or serious dents, but I don't buy the implication you're showing metalwork so perfect you could just spray finish over it and call it good...which was clearly what we were meant to believe. The Scotchbrite finish isn't shiny enough to give any clue if you're actually going to get perfect reflections off it...and you probably won't.
Matt,
Do not worry what or if anyone says filler is not proper. Here is my Coupe project. I consider myself a metalshaper BUT I also know that there is a point where it does not make CENT$ to take all or even any project to "perfection" in bare metal.
Those who show that way are just in a * ego contest! Yeah I could take the time and effort to pound and pick till it looks near smooth BUT would it make for a better automobile when painted NO!
Those are cool thoughts and pics 8) I can't wait to see all the parts together again. They are gathering nearer to the chassis pile these days, thats a good sign. :)
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Now lets be nosy a little...
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Thats whats next to the pile. And a Cat pic! :!:
Topper lid off that FJ got resin coated both sides-
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Two fastback jobs at once. Don't see that every day.
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Then theres-
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and-
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If you believe that "variety is the spice of life", your shop needs no hot sauce. :)
Our reputation must not be confined to a certain type of vehicle. But it seems theres always two of something in there.
That's gonna be a sweet little Mustang, too.
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Just random Mike there. He is doing stuffs-
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Poor Flintstones bumper jack pup. :(
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8) 8) 8)
Those header kits are pricey but they sure do appear to make the end result better to arrive at. :)
Cool hood side bulges! I liked your idea to mimic a mustang side scoop, but this will also be good.
ya those hood bulges are a fresh idea , I have never seen that before , looks good 8) 8)
A little dash progress-
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There are two fastbacks in, both came in as partial projects someone had done very poorly. I think I showed this one here before. Shiny now-
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All Ford. All the time. :roll:
I bet the owners are getting excited, now. :)
LOOKIN KOOL
Haven't seen the A guy since the outbreak, been paying with a card. Wheels would be good. I did get asked by Mike about sketching up an air cleaner idea. Did that. No pic but he made a funky shaped aluminum inlet tube for the TB that will clear the hood side and allow a store bought elbow and cone to be used. I suggested a Cobra Jet shaker as a filter box up top, if we are having something which will obscure the huffer.
That sounds interesting, can't wait to see more.
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Quote from: "chimp koose"LOOKIN KOOL
Just for you, Chimp Kool 8)
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What tail lights are those ? they look great in the truck.
I figured they were stock but they sure resemble 66-7 Tempest /LeMans turned 90°.
I think you may be right about the tail lights . Those front marker lights just don't seem to have the same visual 'pop' . They look to be trailer marker lights .
The front lights are commonly used on flat bed farm trucks. They mount in the corners and are called armored lights.
That 49 Merc gets a Roadster shop frame and Coyote and it is "in". Along with a Bandit era, 77-9 T/A with LS and left pedal six gear.
During this brief diversionary interlude; I submit this hourish old pic lest ye forget... about The Big Race. :wink:
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8) Dayum! Yea dat mines. :)
Ahem.
Business, business... :roll:
more progress-
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Lots of cool stuff there, thanks for sharing. :)
Nice work , it will be interesting to see the finished result . This car has so many subtle refinements .
Thanks on behalf of the crew, guys. The A just looks sad right now really but activity continues. The kind of stuff you'd find more exciting, mechanical details. I'm just not that guy. The F1 job is whittling down slow also, but faster than rivers carve canyons. Gal who smoothed up the A dash must have just been a summer employee, has 5 yr old. Not there this week and school started.
Rounded a corner at the shop today and came face to face with my "ex". Stopped me dead on the spot and we stared for I don't know how many moments like this, just speechless. :shock:
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lol 8)
Still beautiful as ever. :)
Why, what big eyes you have!
looks like his chin fell to the floor :lol:
Ready to start filming the next "Cars" movie.
Don't be taken in by that look of youthful exuberance, guys. Its those coke bottle bottoms Dr Mike prescribed, and it's jaw drops any time an old car guy passes by. And oh man, that coyote breath! Whew. A coyote-ugly face like that could make a freight train take a dirt road, too. But luckily I don't think it knew who I was yet. Sorta like a staring contest with an infant. I thought I was imagining the whole thing so I took that pic right fast and did not expect to see anything unusual but my experience was confirmed when viewing the image later. My chin fell, too.
It's eyes followed me as I backed away slowly, and now that I think back... as I strolled dumbfounded back to my stall I distinctly heard a dry old voice cry out "Bring fresh crossword puzzles next time, please!". It didn't occur to me then that no people were around. Didn't want to go back today without a puzzle book in my pocket. Strange true lies, all. But I will keep eyes peeled and ear to ground for you believers. A character like that is likely to grow into a noteworthy individual, being simultaneously endowed with the attributes of both age and youth. Right now: Infant in the geriatric ward. :roll:
:lol: :arrow:
Thanks, gents. 8) If you get a grey primer alert on your phone, you'll know it escaped. :wink:
Yeah I couldn't come up with a good caption and attempted to compensate with that palaver. :roll:
The lights and grille go to the Vicky on the top shelf behind it but Mike says thats the setup it will have. Drop bar, big lights. My inclination to "help" folks pick things has about run it's course so there won't be more renderings unless a specific request is made. But I couldn't resist playing a little. :)
This just might be Mike's fan shroud for the A.
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Aw, nope thats for a Chevelle wagon. Woops.
Might as well tell it here... the Cat bumpers made it back, one damaged in shipping. :shock:
Horror of * horrors, man. :evil: :cry: Lord, have mercy. That is bad news. Just one scratch, but... :( Wow. Shipped on crappy pallet, forklifted, down to the copper on one end of bumper. Heard of this just after lunch of course and barfed in mouth a bit. Gut level disappointment and awe is all I got. Tough break there, you know if you followed along.
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The wheels look like alum instead of chrome plated steel. Is that correct? I like the to do list taped on the car. :)
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Those look like pretty wide wheels to fit under an A. I like it. Gives the car an aggressive look.
20" x 15". With 18.5" wide Mickeys. 8)
The tail end of this thing ought to look fairly threatening. And a little cartoony-silly-fat-hostile. Think of the satisfaction it will provide when done, not to mention the giggly thrills of learning how to lay into the boost and when what gear is coming up, etc. HO- yeah! :D
It became apparent pretty early in your posting on this one, it's going to be one very cool car.
The kids popped in for a visit today. :-o
That means suddenly Model A and F1 all at once and come to think of it the Cat is about ripe for an appearance. Been long enough anyhow. :?
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Don't you know I caught her sunbathing, hanging out with the cool cars. :D
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It got pretty nasty visiting the mechanics' building. Been awhile. But looky there, I see air in -n- out plumbing.:)
Wheels are about to get painted, then tires mounted, then finish tail lamps with stance established. 8)
All that going on but tomorrow I'll be assembling a 2020 F250. :roll: :arrow:
Love that coupe ! Man do those headers look busy! It should look menacing with the proper rims/tires mounted.
Might want to consider some wheel spacers on the back of the A... :lol:
:) 8)
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14" wide?
Quote from: "kb426"14" wide?
20 x 15" out back. 18" wide tire. :0-0
Those are getting hosed. I have a feeling the color will kill it for me. Rears took like a roll of tape apiece. :lol:
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First color peek day 8) It'll do.
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Have you ever shown the hubcaps?
No, to my knowledge I have not seen them. I seem to recall mention of either Ford logo or knock-off style. In July 2019 the wheel choice was different-
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Ok. I just couldn't remember. That is a common problem in my world. :)
Its OK, you do fine. This project's coverage is somewhat fragmented. :)
At least somebody sanded this-
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This moved a few yards forward today so another Beetle could come in.
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They landed on 29 x 18.00 x 20 tires out back. Wheel 15" wide.
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Baby steps got her home! Back to tail lights. I had sunk that one into the fender but stopped at rough grinding to wait for a stance to be established. Proceeding.
This happened mostly on snow and ice days and does not represent this build, it is just freehanded from easy memory of it. It does represent my return to painting after decades of hiatus. Acrylic on canvas, 11 x 14". Which direction the sun is going is in the eye of the beholder. ;)
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I really like those front wheels but they dont match with the rears . The rear shot is awesome ! Didnt think the big wheel look would work but I am definitely wrong there! The car looks like one tough customer from the rear shot , serious brawler attitude out back . 8)
It does appear to have a chip on it's shoulder from that angle. You can imagine how tough the decision on exhaust tips might be, to express the right attitude. Soda straws won't cut it. :lol:
Front tires just arrived from Australia today but the Bullits have same height tires. 26x10x18 is the size to be used up front.
There was much deliberation and two sets of tires were ordered and tried, mounted.The objective being to balance proportions of sidewall height. Initially, 31s were tried out back and were a tad much. Too close to tail lights and couldn't stuff enough front width in, and still steer, to look right with 31s out back.
So the 29x18s shown will be the actual rears but theres a big wheel spacer (in the plan from day one, don't know why but they stay) in place on the left rear that is not currently present on the right. Seems like I heard the final rendition will have around a half inch less spacer.
Still a high explanation to photo ratio I reckon. But I have what I need to put tail lights parallel to road. I'm nowhere near putting a right tail light spot in. The angle I had put on the left was indeed wrong so it is cut out now. The transition will be much more graceful around the eyelid over lamp. Revising permanent bracket design currently.
Is the heavy forward tilt to the grill shell an optical issue or real life mounting angle?
I noticed that in the pic yesterday at home. Just measured and the cowl and rad are 3/4" farther apart at top than at bottom. Quick check indicated about a half inch difference in length of a fabbed hood side, top vs bottom. So it appears to be intentional and permanent, and may be that way to clear plumbing or accessory drive stuff.
Thats a fairly major rodding faux pas, is it not? :?:
Quote from: "idrivejunk"I noticed that in the pic yesterday at home. Just measured and the cowl and rad are 3/4" farther apart at top than at bottom. Quick check indicated about a half inch difference in length of a fabbed hood side, top vs bottom. So it appears to be intentional and permanent, and may be that way to clear plumbing or accessory drive stuff.
Thats a fairly major rodding faux pas, is it not? :?:
Makes it look bent or broken to my eye. I made sure mine was vertical.
I concur, and texted the guy who destroyed a good bit of stuff like that since I had the car last. To ask. Pretty sure I had it equal, square. The centering-wheels-within-lips issue was just solved by shortening the 4 links because moving the body affects the hood which is already set in stone. Just what I was told, if that tells you anything. Curious what the answer will be about grille attitude.
Two pictures, two explanations of not-my-faults found. I am working on the tail lights only, and making them match with just one lamp for mockup. I should know better by now than to put up pics. Slaughtered by hobbyists every step of the way and thats why I won't touch HAMB with a stick. Beats zero interaction I guess. I am not saying you are pestering, Moose. Its just a broken record, y'know? Nothing I do seems relevant to readers anymore.
It has different front wheels today. Inch and a half shorter tires. That Bullitt wheel required a spacer which belongs to a pair, of which the other us in use on the rear. So I had to swap wheels to get near even but the rake is out the window with those on. Plus two jacks are required to compensate for unlevel ride height of suspension vs chassis.
So that me puts me right back at guessing.
OK, got a text back. Says with it bolted, it's straight. :)
I should have said viewers, not readers just then. ^^^ No offense meant, to anyone, by that. Thats just how it is.
Noticed something different today... my browser just updated.
Moose's pics have a placeholder saying if you are seeing this message, the image was stolen from RRT. But tap it and the pic opens in a new tab. Recently noticed that if not logged in, pics from here no longer show. Just a link in their place that works the same way. My pics are meanwhile showing at full blast. When logged in, pics show same as forever.
I guess this new-to-me "Suprise! You are doing something illegal and now we have caught you red handed so expect a lawsuit!" (thats how I read it) placeholder is just a new (or not) security measure or something. Saw that this morning and was like oh, now what. Time to step back from foruming even farther?
You guys seeing that too? Is there an issue causing that to come up? Assuming not, on both. Continuing like I don't know any better.
If you are hosting your pictures in a place other than the RRT you will never get that message. Only pictures hosted on the RRT get that. Also when you do something that gives you a "that is illegal" message, it just against the rule, but not against the law.
I had a close friend that bought a computer, and his grandson set it up. The first time he tried to use it he got a message " that is an illegal action" he shut it off and never dared turn it on again. I told him an illegal action was not against the law, but he didn't want to take a chance. :D He finally gave it to his grandson, but told him to be careful because he had done something illegal on it.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"I should have said viewers, not readers just then. ^^^ No offense meant, to anyone, by that. Thats just how it is.
Noticed something different today... my browser just updated.
Moose's pics have a placeholder saying if you are seeing this message, the image was stolen from RRT. But tap it and the pic opens in a new tab. Recently noticed that if not logged in, pics from here no longer show. Just a link in their place that works the same way. My pics are meanwhile showing at full blast. When logged in, pics show same as forever.
I guess this new-to-me "Suprise! You are doing something illegal and now we have caught you red handed so expect a lawsuit!" (thats how I read it) placeholder is just a new (or not) security measure or something. Saw that this morning and was like oh, now what. Time to step back from foruming even farther?
You guys seeing that too? Is there an issue causing that to come up? Assuming not, on both. Continuing like I don't know any better.
Funny you would say that about the pictures. I'm not usually logged in and started to have to click on a jpeg icon for the pictures to open up. Now that I logged in the pictures are there in full. Thought it was something weird with my iPad. Thanks Matt. Love your talent on the vehicles you work on. Now if there was a way that I didn't have to scroll across the page to read comments or look at pictures that would be awesome but haven't figured that one out yet. Does the same thing on the iPad and pc.
I don't believe I've ever seen stock A tail lights sunk into the fenders like that. I like it!
Quote from: "enjenjo"If you are hosting your pictures in a place other than the RRT you will never get that message. Only pictures hosted on the RRT get that. Also when you do something that gives you a "that is illegal" message, it just against the rule, but not against the law.
I had a close friend that bought a computer, and his grandson set it up. The first time he tried to use it he got a message " that is an illegal action" he shut it off and never dared turn it on again. I told him an illegal action was not against the law, but he didn't want to take a chance. :D He finally gave it to his grandson, but told him to be careful because he had done something illegal on it.
Thanx. Yeah I can be a fuddy duddy on that. Wanting to be sure what the sign means, like a paint stripe on a tree. I was curious if a change was made or if it was my browser / choice of settings. Assuming browser / choices based on your response. :)
Quote from: "34ford"Quote from: "idrivejunk"I should have said viewers, not readers just then. ^^^ No offense meant, to anyone, by that. Thats just how it is.
Noticed something different today... my browser just updated.
Moose's pics have a placeholder saying if you are seeing this message, the image was stolen from RRT. But tap it and the pic opens in a new tab. Recently noticed that if not logged in, pics from here no longer show. Just a link in their place that works the same way. My pics are meanwhile showing at full blast. When logged in, pics show same as forever.
I guess this new-to-me "Suprise! You are doing something illegal and now we have caught you red handed so expect a lawsuit!" (thats how I read it) placeholder is just a new (or not) security measure or something. Saw that this morning and was like oh, now what. Time to step back from foruming even farther?
You guys seeing that too? Is there an issue causing that to come up? Assuming not, on both. Continuing like I don't know any better.
Funny you would say that about the pictures. I'm not usually logged in and started to have to click on a jpeg icon for the pictures to open up. Now that I logged in the pictures are there in full. Thought it was something weird with my iPad. Thanks Matt. Love your talent on the vehicles you work on. Now if there was a way that I didn't have to scroll across the page to read comments or look at pictures that would be awesome but haven't figured that one out yet. Does the same thing on the iPad and pc.
Well I'll be... replies ahoy! 8)
I've seen sites (more advanced software) that resize images to a set column width on the fly (with box saying click to view fullsize). And you are welcome and thanks for the input and encouragement. I'd like your take and others on my new quiz thread, the one with X in the title. But it asks a lot.
Try holding the ctrl (control) key if your rig has one, then tapping the + or - keys. Kind of an old school windowsy thing that carried over on some PC browsers but it is to "zoom page". Can bring pics to your screen width but will reduce text size as well. But then most browsers have a text size adjustment too. Setting up for my junk would mess you up the rest of the time though, and you'd lose the settings restarting the browser.
As you have found and as I deem essential in my presentations... the detail is there. Always study-able. In doing that, I get this sort of complaint. The ability to post at actual original size does still exist but mostly what you see nowadays I have allowed my pic host to throttle back dimensions to their preference because I believe the detail level to still be adequate. My eyesight ain't what it used to be. ;)
Quote from: "jaybee"I don't believe I've ever seen stock A tail lights sunk into the fenders like that. I like it!
Now if I just had two of the durn things. Boss made note to order new ones.
Its supposed to be like those mysterious ancient megalithic walls where it seems the stones were melted together... like the fender was drippy hot and the lamp was jammed through from the backside. At least thats the sort of effect I am going for. What I showed is the initial and off a little on the top angle... attempt. But then I realized I better stop due to unknowns. That was then. I have crosshairs and an oval drawn on the right fender now. Next is to make a length of 4" tube ( the bezel O.D ) and revise the oval holes.
Its just been so long since I covered that or you might recall it. Hell, dinosaurs could have had cell phones and we wouldn't know it. Time wipes everything!
Yes I've been watching too many documentaries again. :D
I have sheepishly listened and minimally inquired, and... I see enough room to still jam my foot in the door on hood sides. No firm choice has been made, no ultimate solution found. Prefab blisters have not been got. Customer wants ability to run with or without hood sides. Everyone loved the reversed Mustang quarter scallop shape as large hood side openings and I had a rainy day provision included. They must have decided I can't cash the check my idea wrote but I am confident I could produce them. Theres the set with the little funky holes already made though and covering the hole with dog dish hubcaps is being seriously considered. :?
I love the tail light treatment and I have never seen it done like that before either . I personally would NOT change the top angle of them as it compliments the rake in stance of the car itself. Yes they point up to the back . So does the rest of the car . I have seen fenders widened to the inside like that and I think I even recommended it to you when you were asking about what to do there a long time ago . Gotta say you have done a fine job with those ! Glad to hear the grille bottom moves outward when bolted up . They look best when sitting up straight . It is kind of funny how we all say building a hot rod is like starting with a blank canvas and then start saying but you have to do it this way and its gotta have these things etc etc,. Fickle bunch we are . Some of the most interesting cars I have seen were ones where the builder caught me by surprise by doing something I never would have thought of and pulling it off tastefully . Saw an Edsel horse collar grille on a model T one time and it really worked well . Buddy of mine once sawed the window posts off the back of a station wagon and used the remainder as the box and topper for his early 40s truck . Ended up in a couple of magazines . We seem to make things different yet similar . We need another Ed Roth in this world to stir our imaginations . He also liked metalflake !
Quote from: "chimp koose"I love the tail light treatment and I have never seen it done like that before either . I personally would NOT change the top angle of them as it compliments the rake in stance of the car itself. Yes they point up to the back . So does the rest of the car . I have seen fenders widened to the inside like that and I think I even recommended it to you when you were asking about what to do there a long time ago . Gotta say you have done a fine job with those ! Glad to hear the grille bottom moves outward when bolted up . They look best when sitting up straight . It is kind of funny how we all say building a hot rod is like starting with a blank canvas and then start saying but you have to do it this way and its gotta have these things etc etc,. Fickle bunch we are . Some of the most interesting cars I have seen were ones where the builder caught me by surprise by doing something I never would have thought of and pulling it off tastefully . Saw an Edsel horse collar grille on a model T one time and it really worked well . Buddy of mine once sawed the window posts off the back of a station wagon and used the remainder as the box and topper for his early 40s truck . Ended up in a couple of magazines . We seem to make things different yet similar . We need another Ed Roth in this world to stir our imaginations . He also liked metalflake !
Thanks CK :)
My objective is to get the lamp lenses facing directly rearward. However the DOT would have them pointing. All parties have been in agreement that the top should not be at an up or down angle. But all parties did not dislike the abrupt transition as did I. I just don't get how you guys never saw the tail lights. There was probably a dozen photo edits, even experimenting with Mustang tails. But I couldn't even say what year it was off the top of my head. It may take all weekend but I'll sift through the fifty some pages to see. Too bad theres no way to jump to a certain page number (that I know of, here).
I don't forsee any future jobs offering an opportunity to be creative. This time, I believe the boss has had the required change of heart and given up on the sema show and six figure builds. Theres just not a way to fill the bottom rung on the ladder with a good enough employee, never has been, and without being able to trust and depend on someone to do gopher work, or even filler work for that matter, it is simply too infuriating. Not to mention fickle customers who drag on for years not even being able to select wheels. Or the fact that he has to do such a delicate dance justifying the expense and minimizing complications. So I believe it this time.
That is why a lot of builders get a detailed rendering done before work begins . I never really understood that before but after this model A job you are doing it makes sense to the expense . Some folks have difficulty picturing a final result and the rendering gets them there before the first saw comes out . Saves on waiting for a decision on some component while the client , busy with their own lives , takes the time to decide . Kind of hard and unproductive to work in circles around an undecided component while a customer makes up their mind . Reminds me of a home renovation guy I used to know . Told me of a very wealthy family that nobody would take a job with as their reno jobs would never end . Before you could finish something they would change their mind and you would be tearing some of it out . The checks were always good but the frustration drove everyone away . Kind of like working on the winchester house .
Exactly. Less ghosts perhaps. If a guy is in it to make perpetual dollars, thats fine. If a guy wants done builds out there, a longwinded gravy train project has less appeal.
Bombardment with decisions on an owner's end and adaptations made on the fly in the shop gets Apollo 13 esque, almost. I remain hesitant to fill in too many blanks on anyone's behalf but have learned that too many options wears a customer out, too. Since I have the ability to create images, I explore my own whims at home. Or theirs sometimes whether they want that or not. In pursuit of the great idea that always comes along the moment after the good idea is built.
When a guy makes a thing and all parties like it, that is a done idea to me... IF no overlapping ideas rule it out later. That, to me, is the use in a rendering. Reality debunking imagination that way, in a computer image, can reveal unimagined clashes or conflicts and help to cull those out as you said: Before saw.
Not much progress to report yet, but some. Pictures later, so we can scope out the new lamp angle. Not a real big change but better, I think. If I were going for a little frog eye effect, I would want crown in that eyelid piece but what I am going for is like a chrome tipped culvert pipe emerging from under a gravel piled driveway. :arrow:
Renderings are for people that can't visualize and maybe can't create. The customer has his list of wants and no skills to get there. The artist incorporates the wish list along with some necessary vision into the drawing. I have thought many times that if I was an artist, I could lay out my plan and it might make it easier before laying it out on a panel and doing the work. I'm conservative with my changes so I have limited risk. I don't always end up with something as good as it could have been if artistic talent had helped along the way. I end up searching for pics of what I want to do that others already have. :) Matt, a lot of what we have seen go through the shop that are just renovations have been plenty interesting. The pantera was fun to watch. Mustang and broncos being brought back to life isn't bad. The common link on this forum for a while has been bringing life to dead vehicles. Whether it's Don's suburban, John's chevy or any of the others. None have been restorations that I'm aware of so they all have some interesting points.
I think people are sort of ok at visualizing but not near as good at communicating . In the machine shop a vast majority of "errors" are communication based , a good drawing minimizes that . A good communication exercise is to sit back to back with someone and explain to them how to draw a shape or object , then look at it when finished . A good idea is to show them pictures of a vehicle with the mods that you are trying to do to get their opinion . Kind of hard when you are trying something new .
I'll add to what KB said that images can also be for a technician wanting to saw once and bill it once. I do like to but don't always know how a part will look when I start on it.
The bracket I've conjured for here and not taken pics of is a second version. The first was anchored at bottom but the new is a horizontal strap. I ought to have sketched it out at home long time ago.
Here she blows anyhow. I wanted no fuss about a 4" radius so cut two of these and got Mike to slip roller them. Cheating!
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Theres to be an explanation of the measuring on another thread I made yesterday about X marks the spot or something. Posting that next. In the above pics, the trunk latch is out. Fender bottoms came back with issues. If you squint real hard there are some white lines at bottom indicating level. Oh and the wheel is not on the studs.
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Did you see the dark pencil lines above the roll pan? I hope to sculpt that to satisfaction. Did you see faint white lines on the quarter? Those indicate the pivot point if you will, where tail light bezel back edge passes through fender in profile view. Fore/aft placement was only glanced at due to quitting time but it looks purt near like the right spot. On the right, to match the left that is.
Quote from: "chimp koose"I think people are sort of ok at visualizing but not near as good at communicating . In the machine shop a vast majority of "errors" are communication based , a good drawing minimizes that . A good communication exercise is to sit back to back with someone and explain to them how to draw a shape or object , then look at it when finished . A good idea is to show them pictures of a vehicle with the mods that you are trying to do to get their opinion . Kind of hard when you are trying something new .
In art school they called it verbalizing. A concept. A critical skill in commercial art.
:idea:
When I looked at the pic of the light and the rear of the car, I thought if the tail light was recessed the same depth of the tag recess that it would apply some symmetry. Just a casual thought, not intended as a criticism. :)
Likewise, Bill. :) Unity may be a better word on that. Symmetry means both sides of something match, as I understand the meaning. You may get your wish, the bottom piece has not been trimmed yet, possibly making the recess appear deeper than it will be. Might turn out closer to what you suggested than it looks.
I have it where I want it now and the bottom is an inch from lens, tag pocket is around 1 1/4.
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Here is the backside. Started with just the strap, got lamp in position then cut the new top piece. The strap allows a certain degree of bend to fit adjustment. Used the old top as the new bottom because it was there. The upper and lower eyelids were then joined to bracket so the whole mess can be adjusted with lamp in before welding. I may untack it and snag a pattern to cut the other side from without so much piecing together.
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I think that will be good.
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One complaint off the laundry list: Actual wheels and tires and maybe spacers... are on.
Other known issues visible:
Suspension / steering adjustment needed at every corner
Trunk lid loose
Grille crooked
Fenders loose
Not finished, etc.
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The younger people used to say "that's rad, man". Seeing it outside and along with the regulars knowing what went into this, that is going to be a very kool car. I always wondered about model a tolerances and after seeing what was done to this and seeing this stage, everything made it better. I want to be the guy that stabs the throttle and see if it goes straight or it's a spook. :) That's a lot of horsepower in a chassis without upper reinforcement. It's my believe that if you spring it soft enough to enjoy the ride that it will be wild when on the gas. I know time wise that the completion is a long way off but I'm looking forward to the end. :)
Quote from: "kb426"The younger people used to say "that's rad, man". Seeing it outside and along with the regulars knowing what went into this, that is going to be a very kool car. I always wondered about model a tolerances and after seeing what was done to this and seeing this stage, everything made it better. I want to be the guy that stabs the throttle and see if it goes straight or it's a spook. :) That's a lot of horsepower in a chassis without upper reinforcement. It's my believe that if you spring it soft enough to enjoy the ride that it will be wild when on the gas. I know time wise that the completion is a long way off but I'm looking forward to the end. :)
"Everything made it better"... I think that fits :)
"Rad" also fits. The tire size and HP anyway yep.
The spooky factor I wondered about when moving the rear meats around because loose on shiny concrete it is super easy to push the tire slideways but not back and forth. I can't really lift the tire / wheel. Have to let the jack down to it mostly.
All along I have pictured it's done personality as Labrador puppy. So ready to play, and friendly. I hope it isn't the burp it and wait for the chassis to recover kind. Driving... rocket-go-kart-on-rails-like or do you and her lean in like on couples skates?
Be interesting to find out, wouldn't it? He may have to charge for rides in it, to offset build cost. :idea:
So Gary and me are standing here having a short stare before he locks up and I says:
Kinda tough to evaluate with just one lamp huh?
Yeeeah. Wonder how come we just have one?
They come with one. (gesturing)
(nods)
Yeeeah. :)
I felt like a rodder at that moment but I know he knew he just had spit out a sticky job and had already disengaged from business in a relieved mode. :wink:
Had just told him a smirky story though, too. I was fairly ecstatic on a bodyman high, having yelped in suprise :-o at what I found...
After all the estimatin' and extrapolatin', ciphering and carrying the naught and what-not, with proper rolling stock and stance in place we pushed her back in and I set about leveling the chassis again so I could proceed.
With it sitting just as-is, me and the trusty broke 6" magnetic torpedo level went hunting fault:
Roll pan spot-on, check. "Shelf" under back window, check. Top of windshield opening, check. Nice! :D
:roll: Now lets see where I gotta move my tail light I just did to...
:shock: Never seen the bubble quite that centered. Hoot! :D Yippie-yi-o that don't happen every day. I had to show 3 people! Dad might get goose bumps offa that, I nearabout did. Bullseye. Now the right side is just hold and tack, done. That makes me a happy man. 8)
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Beyond cool. I love it. That thing is going to be violent when you step on the loud pedal. Sitting still it looks like you don't dare walk in front of it.
Hey Matt, Is that a secret agent IDJ Antenna protruding from the right taillight???
Just rattling your cage!!!! 8)
Rave reviews! :)
Just wait until hood-messin-with time. :wink: Listen for more loud screeching from the primate cage or keep an eye to the clouds for the IDJ-signal.
Ripper, that there is Aunt Anna's double naught fully erect prewar Ford mood indicator appendage, you just can't see it wagging in the pic. :lol:
Busted telescoping pickup magnet pretending to be a tack weld. :)
To the Mattmobile! :-}
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Matt, Installation looks good. Just curious what tool you use to smooth out the tight inside corners? I use a 1/8th inch belt sander.
moose
Thank you sir. :) 3M 1991 3" reinforced weld grinding wheel on unguarded cutoff tool then a 4" plain cutoff wheel on guarded tool (thats the one which, wielded with care, did the tough part slick). Then a 36 grit 3" twist lock disc backed up with a cutoff wheel under it. Then a flat cheapo hand file, then 2" 36 grit twist lock, a stiff 4" twisted wire wheel, worn 3" maroon Roloc ScotchBrite disc, then 40 grit yellow Norton and 80 grit white 3M PSA discs on a 6" composite DA sander. And then I doubled up a maroon scuff pad and held it under the DA, helps snuff reflections in pics.
The 4" skinny wheel after the 3" fat wheel was the key. :wink:
All those things played a part but the 4" was the thing that had the reach, with fender installed. A carbide burr bit might have been my first choice but I can't seem to own one for long, I drop them. I did top side grinding with the fenders in place however, and the 4" wheel at just the correct angle suprised me pleasantly. As yet, no hammer work required.
By the way I still think of wood work at mention of belt sanders. They gained popularity in bodywork after my option to get new tools fizzled. Never had one in my hand.
Anyhow, I know you guys won't mind me showing some backside. :)( I did the topside grinding first thing for freshest hands and eyes. My criteria underneath was just to trim off excess and take it down to something cleanable and corrosion protectable that will bury in anticipated coatings. :arrow:
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Henry should have done the tail lights like that from say one . Jeez that looks finished
Great modification. It l00ks factory and modern at the same time.
These are from today, left side, inside. I feel a flashback coming on though... :arrow:
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CK and jaybee, lets trip back a couple years to see the concept evolve. It did so alongside Mustang tail lights. :oops:
Maybe I became frustrated and stopped posting here for a time around then, hence the filename on this top pic. I recall a dispute concerning the references being used.
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That was named "screweveryone" and now illustrates an attitude I call walking razor blade. :lol: Thats when I know I'm right so I go ahead while everyone else has the option to step left or right or be cleaved in twain. :shock: :twisted:
Not so evil, just determined to convey an idea that until this week, no adequate reference existed for. Oh, how I tried. Then came the day I reached the point of just doing one. :)
Maybe thats not on this thread but it was a long strange trip. :? Still, this may be one of my least fragmented threads. :roll:
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This job has supported a lot of IDJ flow. It built me up in ways but also had me hovering at the brink of madness. Oh gosh, no vacations hurts a guy in his prime SO bad. :( :roll:
Nevertheless, (deep inhale, long exhale) the A will always speak for itself and need few excuses. The hood sides are leaning against a nearby wall beckoning.
You may remember those as a point of excitement then confusion, as I do, and I am hesitant to interfere since the idea established and unanimously liked was simply ignored and discarded once the job went out back. Enough reflection though now, probably too much but there you go. Filling in some backside info on the lamps is what I came for. :) Time flies.
You're shown us a lot of interesting ideas over time, a remarkable volume of creative thinking. Undoubtedly there are a lot of good ideas unused on this car, because you can't incorporate them all in one car. Unfortunately unless one's name is something like Foose, Kindig, Moal, Ring, or Fenical it's rare to get to build a car exactly the way you want it for someone else. The A looks fantastic. If you were making all the calls I'm sure it would look outstanding but a good bit different.
People can get too opinionated for comfort when given the opportunity to offer an opinion. I recall when this place was brand new we discussed an A pickup which was featured in multiple issues of Street Rodder. The car was out there, very wild and artistic. Some people offered some unkind opinions and it turned out one of the Knights was a personal friend of the builder. Some feelings were hurt. I confess I was one of those who expressed pretty plainly what I didn't like about someone else's labor of love, and I wasn't too proud of it afterward.
Lucid techno stuff here now...
I don't know if you can make this first pic out and sure don't anticipate any remembrance of how I modified things relevant to bobbed fender mounting. But its a start.
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What you're looking at there is inside the left tub. Theres a row of bolts partially hidden behind what I call the tire slicers. :lol:
They are, now pay attention, 90° strips with a 3/4" down flange curved with shrinker jaws and with an up step on the inner edge perforated with plug weld holes.
The down flange was left tall for the jaws to bite and the step edge with holes was for top-optional welding or medium option level screws. They were simply tossed back to me with a flat I'm not using these, no matter what effort I made to explain.
Three of the bolt holes in the long row on the fenders are holes, the rest are slots. Easier adjustment and installation. The ex-slicers act as overglorified washers indeed, but the bends provide support for more consistent gap and resistance to distortion of the delicate panels due to excess torquing. Tight rear fender gaps were a priority all along. In addition, the added clamping force or spreading thereof makes the fenders stay put.
Swap over to the right side but this is ready to hang a fender, with most of the bolts in-
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Note here the pinched mount point which results from not using the tire slicers and hanging the fender with one super tight bolt then manhandling the running board-
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So the edges both got hacked off except I left the bends. Tub screw holes got welded shut and now it is just a slightly stiffened 18ga washer strip. That I want body bolts on, as mostly shown-
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If you can make out whats going on in the pics, you'll see. I planned to trim it always but wanted to leave what I could. No deal, but now bolt heads would rub first in theory, plus the tail light will be on the street before that happens...
But you can see how having that strip in place gives one some mercy in adjusting the final gaps in that theres something to bump on which affects that but isn't a glory panel. :idea:
Plus the bodyman approves of lifting the body by the rear fender bottoms, its that chunk. Quite the hard little unit that I,DJ built. :arrow:
Quote from: "jaybee"You're shown us a lot of interesting ideas over time, a remarkable volume of creative thinking. Undoubtedly there are a lot of good ideas unused on this car, because you can't incorporate them all in one car. Unfortunately unless one's name is something like Foose, Kindig, Moal, Ring, or Fenical it's rare to get to build a car exactly the way you want it for someone else. The A looks fantastic. If you were making all the calls I'm sure it would look outstanding but a good bit different.
People can get too opinionated for comfort when given the opportunity to offer an opinion. I recall when this place was brand new we discussed an A pickup which was featured in multiple issues of Street Rodder. The car was out there, very wild and artistic. Some people offered some unkind opinions and it turned out one of the Knights was a personal friend of the builder. Some feelings were hurt. I confess I was one of those who expressed pretty plainly what I didn't like about someone else's labor of love, and I wasn't too proud of it afterward.
Pish-posh. Hey we were simultaneously posting. This place is always kind to me, I just don't always see it. Bad things jump out across the road at ya but you gotta get dirt under your nails to find the goody.
When it comes to ideas, an unbridled assortment first is how my mind works. Whether they stick or not is random to me but I'll always have some logic to them, be it bizarre or purposeful. My ability to sling visuals or concepts allows me better odds on acceptance but really I just want to illustrate what a decider asks to see. I hope to never come across as design coaching but the vehicle in my hands is the one I must be enthusiastic about. It was the same way when it was LeSabres, Yukons, Town Cars, Jettas, Optimas, 7-series, SL600 AMGs and all that jazz.
Them old Fords are just a booger. Made liars outta good body men a hunnert years now. Hustling muscle would probably be too serene now but man, I could do with more of that stuff. Sure enjoy making things now, not so much epic constructions but imaginary pieces regardless of whose imagination. Fixing nasty damage hotspots is also rewarding but I will have to find more comfortable ways as time goes on. :arrow:
On arguably the best weather day this year :roll: I just went through thirty something pages of this thread to find where the hood side theory previously recently mentioned was shown. August of 19. Easiest to get to on my blog which is indexed by date.
Thought I was going crazy but nope, found em. I may re-submit some to the powers that be. Putting some below but first here is the pic I captioned as "seeing what a tail light would look done up like a 60s Pontiac dash ball vent" or something to that effect. When quoting one's self, does one use quotation marks? :?
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Open "Mustang" hood sides with removable "rain check panel"
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Those mockups were discarded, destroyed, or stored. I handed them to a guy to stash a couple years back.
Overly complex? Did I make it complicated for the sake of complexity? Does 2019's good idea look like poo in 2021? The rain panel would slide into tracks and have a single hidden fastener. And have more rounded contours. I am just relieved that evidence survived. :)
I don't think it was a bad idea. What I'm aware of is the confined engine space and the dissipation of heat. Without some venting, I think there will be problems on the horizon. The history of street rodding is covered with heating problems. More hp., more heat. If the hood isn't vented, the firewall will be plenty toasty. Just my opinion, not to be considered expert by any means. :)
Past it. I think you have a very valid point. :)
Those who agree, please say "Aye".
Next on the ballot, louvers:
Top or side?
:?: :?: :?: Thanks. This thread is pushin six digits on views! :shock: :-o
Louvers be danged, how about a 51 F1 cowl vent near back of hood and hinged at front? Or a Chevelle's cowl induction flapper. For those hot idle periods. How about if the hood sides could be run with the back edge spaced a half inch out from the cowl and seal? When I had these ideas and looked at the car I said out loud everyone will hate this. So maybe theres a nugget in the ore, I dunno. The hood vent or flap could be completely mounted to the cowl flange so the hood would only lack the slot for it. Just picturing it, the F1 cowl vent (or maybe Model B, or other, or custom shape?) keeps it most Fordish and therefore subtle in that respect but obtrusive in scale. The SS hood flapper would lend a more slick, modern look like the gas flap and already be hinged right. Both would be mounted flush in a hood slot.
Anything? :?: I don't know that any of the above would be enough but I did read up on louvers and oh my theres like mathematical formulas. I am just looking at the core size, louvers, and engine it came with and thinking it maybe best to just not have hood sides.
My first thought was to use the short panels just above the stock louvered hood sides... to put a row of louvers in. Because it has that fancy 3 way hood latch and hinge setup and the latch bars show below the one piece hood top. These thoughts would go in one ear and right out the other at work, I'm almost certain. But I do believe that day will come when temps rise with the rod in a place of no heat mercy and there needs to be an option. Something good. To help drop the temp. :idea: :?: :arrow:
Looks like we are alone in our concern, KB. Hood ideas are pointless here and downright unwelcome at the shop. As someone who drives two of the same car regularly, one with Roots blower, I can say increased IAT is a fact in an engine compartment with fully closed hood but increased engine coolant temp is not. Even in the absence of an intercooler. However some models were equipped with heat extractors in the hood, moving air around each end of the blower. Whats good for the goose is not for the gander, says the infinite wisdom of silence however. I will just watch what is done or isn't and refuse to comment if asked so I fit in better..
I didn't work yesterday due to a health scare. No idea what today will be but since I missed a day it might be another week or two of late model pickup repair with junkyard parts. Yippie!
My choice would be on the side. I'm not a fan of louvers because of moisture in the engine bay. This is assuming that the car will be driven and not a trailer queen. However, I know of several cars that they remove the side panels when traveling. Maybe that is a better option. :)
Only trouble is that leaves the latch bars showing. Which maybe ain't so bad. Hollering down the hood well doesnt't even get an echo. :? But like I think I said, the customer wants to be able to run with or without hood sides. A mobius wish, a conundrum, a loop to infinity I suppose. I just don't know anything about plans for the car anymore.
I heard mention of using two accent colors and saw this going on:
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How about a nice pallate cleansing all-Pontiac interlude?
~:)
Saw this GTO when I hit the clock-
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Why the grand sport corvette stripes? Dunno, getting bumper painted.
No late model beer can trucks for me today, I got tasked with un-oil-canning the roof on a 68 Firebird-
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A caved-in roof brace is never a good sign-
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Digging out brazing and dents left by our "panel guy"-
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To conclude the interlude, heres the spot where the chicken crossed the road to save me some grief the other day-
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Last of the Pontiaction. We used a scissor jack and four hands on the roof brace some. Roof skin has two applications of filler across it now, no pic. But man, the guy used that Norton vacuum sanding machine and while noisy, it sure helped to not gag me out. Sandman said cutting was easier as well.
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The Firebird owner stopped in for pix and talked some Pontiac-speak. He seemed quite a bit younger than us bodymen but has had it 16 years. Had a Camaro rear spoiler on it when he got it. I showed him a 69 T/A wing. ;)
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Then, also no pic... you may have seen pencil lines at the trunk / qtr bead intersections on qtr pnl tips. I spent an hour or so with a 9" block leveling out the line with a bit more accuracy and attention to radiuses than what was there.
Heres another color sampling and hey... thats starting to look like a combo now... and it can substitute for the blocking pic.
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Those ^^ are chunks of leftover Firebird wheelhouse.
This :arrow:
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...is I just couldn't resist. :D
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That needs to be a little deeper.
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Took a little over an hour to get this with my feeble skill at that.
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But I figure you gotta give em something to say no to. That gets the ball rolling sometimes on things of this nature. :)
An acquaintance of mine, Dave Crouse who used to be Custom Auto in Loveland Co. had put bubbles on hoods with louvers in situations such as this. I thought it was the best compromise but it's not my car. :) He and I had a discussion about that at a car show about 11 years ago. He asked me how I would do that. I said to put the bubble on and then do the louvers. He smiled so I don't know if I had the correct answer or failed the test. :) I wonder if something like the chevy vent panels that were flush mounted and connected to a thermostatic control operator would be cool enough to make the owner happy?
I can't picture either thing. What year Chevy? I saw blinds in front of a 46 Cad rad. Do you mean using a stock louvered hood side and putting a solid lump amidst the louvers or would the louvers be lumped? The tall side louvers like stock look OK to me but with something sticking out of them, be it lump or engine just doesn't imagine right for me.
At the risk of alienating my almost only commenters left, I gotta say any louvers at all look cluttered and dated to me. I guess thats why flush, manually openable vents are where I gravitate to. I considered scoop suggestions but know those would get radical opposition. Heat needs to come out the top, if you ask me. Where it builds up.
Boss said blister looks good, flows with fender some. I noticed that when I saw it taped on but wasn't going for that. Darndest thing though, I don't know if his comment means continue or not. Sent pic to guy who made the hood sides but never get responses. Wondered if these were similar to what he had in mind. All the blatant noncommitalism :lol: really cramps a guy's style trying to finish a build. I really don't know what is expected of me and won't just assume authority because thats how labor gets wasted.
Matt, check out 33/34 chev louvers . They might look good
The less numerous and horizontal style there is definitely more appealing to me. :) With a lump though, still seems awful busy.
As you see, I have abandoned my own thoughts on it and stand ready to build whatever is desired. Thats just not been specified. My speculations about what might look good are moot. I think any suggestion including louvers will get the same lack of response.
If only one of the issues (cover engine, ventilate compartment) were decided, that would be a step in the right direction. I guess I'll start the day investigating what happened to the trunk lid bolts and trunk latch or trying to bolt the radiator down, or putting the aprons on as intended, modifying my fabbed running board brackets to fit again, or finding out why the gas flap is not fastened. It is a big pain to fasten to the hinge.
This was my approach to venting hot air. Originally, my idea was to build a cowl induction hood, but I tossed that idea early on knowing I needed to vent hot air since I didn't have vents in the hood sides. The reverse scoop keeps people guessing, and I have only seen one other one on all the street rods I have seen.
That kind doesn't bother me a bit although the one shown may be a bit lofty for my taste. I already envisioned an L-88 scoop and cowl lump but either in stock or aftermarket form, they dwarf the A hood top. I sure could come up with a pile of ideas if somebody does say hood scoop. I just expanded that one blister to maybe real size and went to ask Mike if it was what he had in mind but he is on vacation. :-o :( Attempts at contact are futile. I'll have to pursue something else for the time being. I don't really understand how this hood and latch / rad is supposed to be put together. :?
Heres this-
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and that-
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I put tag holes in it. Found some screws to replace now missing ones for the trunk lid. Had to remove the struts hanging from studs added to the hinges to do so. Story below pic-
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The evidence is pretty obvious as to why the trunk lid now looks bad crooked whether open or closed. Struts were hung from hinges and one sat down on the tub then the lid was left to hold its own weight or closing pressure was applied.
That bent the hinge area on lid and you'd have to review the process to understand why that grinds my gears. Not only was it a nightmare to fit, I asked and asked and asked if I could reinforce the area while the lid was apart. :evil:
So thats ruined and the latch has been removed and sat aside because neither bondo guy or mechanic could figure out how to open it by the wire I had in place.
I have been reviewing the "punch list" and crossing things off but without the body off for one bolt hole thing... or making a mate for the blister... I am out of things I know enough about to do anything with. Leaning towards the reality that the hood hubcap idea will be considered comical by most so not exploring that.
If I explain to boss, well thats more attention span than I can expect so probably more random fill in tasks would be the result of asking what to do.
Well I'll be a Nehi hubcap's uncle, heres my best english (wheel work) to date-
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That wasn't so hard but I might not be to the hard part yet. :arrow:
Gack, cough-
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Blisters are looking good.
Many thanks, Bill. :)
I just had an idea or two, spurred by walking in from the garage... past the 65 GTO scoop leaning against the wall. :idea:
The size is better. The reversed profile is not too tall and is good looking. The view of it from the driver's seat would be wicked. View from street smacks of cowl induction but ain't. The openings are in a cast insert which if hinged open, could move a good bit of heat. I have it, serving only wallhanger duty and it was salvaged from work anyway, its a gennie cutout... might need a thin pie slice down the middle, maybe not.
That strikes me as a whopper idea but knowing me I'll skin that back to a definite hmm and lay the afterthat idea out too, before somebody else says it...
What if the blisters were shakers? Same thing, smooth, just bracketed to engine and with folded over edges on holes in hood sides? No welding and probably do fine in most rain.
Double hmm. Any takers? :?:
I like the GTO scoop reversed as an extractor. At some point a cowl induction hood has been done on virtually ever sort of car. It's because it's a classic look which nearly always works, but still...this would be a new wrinkle which is always something which draws interest as long as it's well executed.
I don't think the shaker idea has been done before. That could have merit.
Google this "Pontiac Super Duty hood scoop" It was originally a Ford truck part used by Pontiac in 63 on the A/FX cars.
jaybee- I'm gonna lay it up there and just see, first thing. If I remember to bring it, that is. Even it is a bit long and flat but if it were partially submerged to the right degree... boy I am curious. Already pulled up a pic and tried to get a hint. Proportion too difficult to estimate with any accuracy, so I'll have to dream it or wait til morning. Was planning to try to figure out the hood n rad tomorrow anyway.
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I hesitate once again, to do any trimming of the hood sides just yet. Fearing potential accessory drive conflict additions and wanting to place the blisters symmetrically and oriented optimally. I may trim back the step around the holes where it hits and tack the blisters on tenatively if I get the hood fit back. Theres actually some trimming of casting corners (valve covers) to be done as well.
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KB- If they were chrome with wing nuts, they'd read as air cleaners. Maybe? They might be a good spot for coyote 5.0 emblems too, body color or not. OR... theres accent colors too. Re-hmm. Opens up a few idea paths, don't it?
I thought seriously about putting a deep horizontal straight line step along the blisters, 30-40% of the total height away from the top. That fades away at the ends. Just as character, semi-mocking the side bead at A post. Then I thought about a J or L shape to that. Then a flat teardrop in center of blister. But man... Dad sure liked the look of them just teton-shaped. As-is. ;)
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enjenjo- Deja vu a little, we must have spoken of this before. Perfect mind-meld of Pontiac treachery slipping in there un-noticed. I like it. Some pics make me think naaaw. Some make me think maybe heck yes. Looks abrupt and tall in some, others not. Looks like aftermarket makes three heights, might be glas tho.
Its a shame the beads are innies, with the roof being outies. But maybe that would play. I haven't compared profiles of the reversed goat scoop's slope at inlet with the near upright slant cut of the SD unit. I predict that the profile, with the visor right there, might swing it one way or the other, or at least be two very different looks. The smooth lump seems more modern muscley while the SD looks more beligerent.
That brand association is a priceless pun in any event. :lol:
Now if I had one to try...
I really should put the skids to scoop er, extractor talk but if the heat subject arises naturally, before or after hitting the streets... I can jam a foot in the door and baffle all parties with how much thought has already been given. :wink:
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Craving a bit more input on shaky blisters. How many among you would, seeing that at a show, say to yourselves its a cop-out to evade welding?
Trying to decide if the small novelty factor plus giant labor simplification outweighs the potential for that. Things that might be factors are the engine probably won't shake enough to be noticed at idle and say you wanna show with hood open... do you want the blister there? Do you use it to hide ugly and have it be a rectangle cover with blister or do you want to quickly detach and chunk into trunk?
etc, lol. I can forget all this now and get good shuteye then re-read in the AM to find my place. Say what you think if you have thoughts please. Whenever that may be. I'm as curious where this will lead as anybody might be. :arrow:
Yep, nope. I've wasted your time and mine again.
No cooling issues anticipated. Left the goat scoop at home anyway.
Heres a couple pics to make it worth your click. I am up front and finding things I spent lots of time on destroyed and discarded and no finished anything. I feel ready to hear some explanations. Meanwhile, the ugliest hood latch type known to man is being installed on the 51 job. I threw out all the junk from that today then knocked rust off new hood and related pieces on the A. Aside from maybe tacking on the blisters to get them off the floor, I am at a loss as to what to do. Theres candy and magazines, bondo / metal dust piles, and probably dog turds inside it with parts and fasteners mixed in. Maybe I should clean that out too. A guy just can't care, but I do.
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I asked where the other half of the fender brackets were. I got Matt I don't just take things off to take them off. And shown the slice of phone pole that has been getting worked into something to hammer form blisters on. Don't know what to think or say but I do feel villainized. Had some info from Firebird guy visit other day, boss didn't want it. Blew me off a couple days so far on that but handed me a paycheck. Wish I knew what to tackle. Explaining why I don't would only generate frowns all around. :? Confused again.
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You made a good point about the shaking blisters, better to be mounted on the hood. I'm a naca duct fan. I'd be tempted to have one per side above and behind the hood blister on the side panel. I can't imagine the owner would be too excited about that. :) In the smoothy look, many cars had solid panels and no vents. I never talked to an owner to see if heating was a problem. Maybe we're overthinking something. :)
Remarkable how much it changes the mood of the car just to have the blisters hung on for a look as opposed to the valve cover cut outs.
Yeah them holes was coyote ugly. Get this:
The actual desire, told to me only after presenting a done money shot:
Is to not only be able to run with or without hood sides, but to also be able to run hood sides with openings where the blisters are. Put that in your pipes and smoke em. :shock: :roll:
Thats removable hood side panels with removable blisters. OK?
So if the blisters are removable and sit inside the panel, what is your preferred material to make them from?
steel
aluminum
fiberglass
Please consider the part location and factors it presents such as wind and heat, and the coatings. Disregard attachment, design, and construction but do consider actual gusty 90°F August interstate high noon 100 mph+ to pass a line of semis usage assuming one wing nut to be all there is. In this theory, hood side panels attach only with down-peg-in-hole at the four corners and are held down by the closed hood top panel.
:?: :idea: Go. :arrow:
Thanx );b(
Gorilla tape ! That s#@$ will hold anything ! Seriously , has anyone thought of putting rear facing holes matching the shape of the tail light masterpieces in the trailing edge of the blisters with possibly 36 ford horn covers as the "screens"? Good luck with the making them removable business . Not impossible , but I hope no one complains about the time it takes to figure that one out . Now might be the time to look in an industrial catalogue in the camlock/panel fastener section .
Quote from: "chimp koose"Gorilla tape ! That s#@$ will hold anything ! Seriously , has anyone thought of putting rear facing holes matching the shape of the tail light masterpieces in the trailing edge of the blisters with possibly 36 ford horn covers as the "screens"? Good luck with the making them removable business . Not impossible , but I hope no one complains about the time it takes to figure that one out . Now might be the time to look in an industrial catalogue in the camlock/panel fastener section .
I can't say anyone has. Can't say anyone has a material preference either. I am just going to drill a hole at each end of blister and weld studs on squares then squares to skin. Done. To heck with a folded edge at the opening or any other embellishments.
I thought he meant wanting to be able to walk up to car grab blister and yank off so first idea was magnets. Boss and I were txting about it and he suddenly went dark. Fugifino what to do, not my junk. Hack out the hood sides with a pen knife? Throw crap together in 15 minutes that will be easy to yank and dispose of ? Then take off and get somebody else to clock me out? Yeah, thats the ticket. Only fools work five days a week anyhow.
With our without hood sides, with our without blisters? That's...a lot.
Quote from: "jaybee"With our without hood sides, with our without blisters? That's...a lot.
No explanation. Blisters 6" wide and 18" long, made of 16 ga, that are 3 1/4" deep cost $45.
I didn't go in yesterday and the silence continues.
(three paragraphs backspaced here. Its not noon yet.) ;)
I was thinking fiberglass might be less likely to cause rust or rattle or remove fingerprints when touched. Some Pla-Doh on the existing blisters for added height would be a cinch. I made some hood hinge covers for the 73 TA clone real quick by just making a cardboard part, taping over it, fiberglassing over that then just scraping out the cardboard and sanding the tape off. Sand outside, hose with spray paint sans primer and within a couple hours they were on a six figure car loading up for a trip to Vegas. Whats the big deal? Clueless is mine. More info needed.
More info needed, I guess, so I'll stop trying. I came to one conclusion that seems logical although again, its before lunch:
The removable blister is a no-go because if you take it off, the exposed area is unsightly.
It will not show any showy engine parts nor does it provide any identity. Doesn't show blower or headers or even valve cover script. It would just be ugly.
Even if a guy went with the $1,300 billet valve covers. Plus, a weak point exists where the top edge is notched at the front hinges where I anticipate bending will occur with an enlarged and unsupported hole.
So after much thought, this came to mind. A ventilated straight flat on bottom and a long flat indent sized to accept cut out scripts from a $60 pair (new) of bare black plastic OE coil covers. It brings the key identifying element out where you can read it plus provides almost hidden ventilation between header and blower, in the path of heat, while preserving the visual flow of the blister shape.
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Thats the bottom. See the half moon cut-and-bends? The script is facing upward at about flathead angle and the blister's top line blends in at or ahead of back edge of nameplate while the bottom line extends past.
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That shape would not easily translate in a single drawing or pic edit so I took a stab in clay, rough-guessing the angles.
A: Does the model get the point across?
B: Any takers on the look?
PS I do have both actual drawing and edited photo images started. When I went to make one with the blister off, the internal "No!" alarm rang so I shifted to considering alternatives to present. Could you picture the "blister-off" look or do you think I'll need an image to prove that point?
Anticipating no answers but sometimes you guys suprise me. :-o
I like the concept. And it's different. :)
Different in a good way . So you would provide venting on the under side of the blister?
Ah, whew. Cool, good. Thanks. 8) Yes. Just curved cuts with the tab pushed up like a thumbnail cut through but with the bend straight.
A far-from-optimal, token venting gesture. But above exhaust and below blower. I had to focus intently for way longer than I like, swatting away tangents and entangling creative notions to boil it all down. Like with cajun cooking, first you gotta make a roux.
I will suggest that the amicable solution here is to make hood sides our hero won't want to remove. That won't cause problems or add tremendous labor. :arrow:
Having the clay model did help me a little just visually. Accuracy is kinda out the window without being at the car and home at the same time, but I came up with these. This top one shows my piece optimally welded in.The bottom depicts a more spacious aftermarket blister attached to studs inside the panel.
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This top one is with trimmed and inset section from stock coil cover. Bottom is if a guy wanted something a little more threatening and mysterious. I suppose there could be a 5.0 emblem incorporated but the idea would be to mock the font found on the stock cover.
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You can see how you can't see :lol: much down in all that shadow. In any lighting. So the vents are almost a free ride, having a low visual penalty. South and SE of the nameplate, the blister is flat but honors the blister outline. This creates a longer tail below the script and gives a nifty dramatic shape and shadow that has arguably better flow with the fender than a plain blister. The top rear corner of the nameplate would almost need to dig into the plane of the hood but I'll have to be playing with the real stuff to define it more accurately than these have.
I think I could pull it off on a good concentration day. :)
Also think I more than put my hours in. I was tough hours in this before realizing that putting color on would require a masterpiece level effort and for naught. The above images are the potentially useful ones, this is a bust. Don't know if you can tell how hard it is to shiny paint one from scratch. :shock:
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Showed all that and nary a sketch among em. But theres also sketch and abandoned pen-n-ink version. Be glad you are you. :D
I like that a lot. It's a new wrinkle on an old solution, 1 point. You have ventilation for the engine compartment, 1 point. Because it's downward facing it won't drip water right on the engine like hood top louvers, one point. I see you playing with script/trim just above the point where it cuts under for your vents, I like it but it's going to take more head scratching to get the shapes and proportions perfect...two points if you go that way and pull it off. I know if they decide to go that way you'll pull it off.
I couldn't figure out why they wanted removable blisters. As you pointed out, it makes a weak place in the hood. The attachments for the blisters have to add ugly when they're removed. Added complexity adds weight. Making them detachable creates a seam, with all its headaches and visual interruption...it would look tacked on because it would be tacked on.
A much as anything, though, there's nothing under that blister which looks good hanging out. The front corner of the engine just isn't appealing like the end of a Buick Nailhead, Chevy W motor, or early Hemi head.
I still like the idea of a Mustang-look reversed side scoop. That's an added design element which adds interest. What they're contemplating is just a hole in the side of the car so a big, ugly cylinder head can hang out.
In the pics now, I want to reach in and scoot the nameplate forward a smidge. But every attempt to translate my vision is falling a little short.
Trial and error would have to continue. I wonder now if cut paper wouldn't give a more accurate representation. Still only crickets outside of here but maybe its a rightish track to be on. One guy guessed the green thing was a doorstop or maybe handle of some sort.
Y'all have purty fair imaginatory skills. You know its not without influence from your suggestions. It does help me steer if theres feedback but even I had trouble approximating what I imagined, seems like it should be simpler. Heres a description I can conjure for how to tweak it:
Script panel (coil cover) face retains original 90° V8 angle but moves out, forward, and down in relation to it's location on the valve cover. When the trimmed nameplate front end is then positioned at or just behind center of circular front half of blister, tapered oval shape at top rear of blister stops just short of rear of nameplate. Outline of blister in lower right quadrant is then stretched just beyond rear of nameplate. That quarter of the blister is then replaced with flat, vented piece for which the angle then lands where it may. Along the top of that lower flat area is another flat slightly larger than the nameplate, surrounding it. So you see the straight bend going from blister crown to tip as a narrow lip just below the stepped indent where the nameplate resides.
If you followed that, now imagine popping the nameplate out of it's grommeted stud attachment points and voila! Extra row of vent holes for a traffic jam. :idea: :? :) :arrow:
Boss likes smooth and I concur. Still nothing to work on. If I fix the trunk lid, it will be redamaged on next strut trial. If I try to fasten front fenders I'll kill turn radius. If I try to refit the hood top, I'll mess up the sides' fit. If I bondo the rear fenders without lamps, they may not fit. Etc. Still lost but can break this pursuit as well. :-}
Heh. My psychology experiment was a success...
I started blocking the roof and it didn't take long before my opportunity to speak came. Wading through issues now.
Trunk strut deal just unfinished. If lid needs fix, fix. Leave struts be, other options being considered. Check.
Tires don't rub. With camber eccentrics at inward position, upr ctrl arms hit fend at rear. Check.
HL bar moved due to deuce grille, affects fabbed fend brkts that were tied in at bar bolts. Check
No "pad" contour in fends at HL bar location, must put so bar fits. Check. Doing now, among other related things.
Then the biggie- VVT delete gets rid of main blister clearance conflict, cam phaser connectors. Setup bought is all stock, Roush being contacted concerning VVT delete. Check.
The info famine wasn't aimed at me but at the dread of complexity. Sheer reluctance. It just took more drastic measures to bring the required attention and I'd bet the shop ain't the only burr under boss's saddle blanket. So I did right, it just felt wrong. Slack was needed and I gave it. I'm learnin. Getting rid of the show car job with minimum drama is task #1.
The afternoon went OK. :) Nothing worth showing though. But hey...
Above I mentioned cam phaser connectors and VVT. Came back to correct myself and say cam position sensors and VCT. But...
I don't know what the item in question is, I am guessing due to it's location. It could be called a VCT oil control solenoid, another guess.
I find valve cover pics that look like ours, but no engine pics that do. I don't know what the engine is from or what year.
Was just going to see how the item is removed from the cover but theres nothing out there that I could find.
Does anybody know what those are? The pair of items with electrical connectors at front of each valve cover. I must not have stumbled onto the correct search term yet. :?: :?
Usually, they remove the part bolted on the cam gear and install a fixed plate such as a standard timing gear. There is a control connection that can be removed on the outside but I haven't seen or read about a different front cover or valve cover that would lessen the size of the engine. http://www.modularmotorsportsracing.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=858
I did a search for "coyote valve covers" and these have a check box, yes or no, for VCT sensors.
https://www.jccustomscnc.com/product-page/billet-coyote-valve-covers-2011-2017
Its the connector for the sensor thats in the way, and the delete seems to be mainly associated with cam swaps which we aren't likely to do. Its only a matter of stretching the blisters out farther and going higher up.
As far as reducing the size of the engine, theres an inch or so to be gained by trimming one bolt boss on each valve cover. Because a Mustang isn't too narrow there, nonstructural excess exists that can be trimmed a little. More E wheel time. If the blisters won't stretch out far enough I'll start over. But those bosses are not likely to be as bulky on any aftermarket cover in my one spot per side conflict area, aaand the right valve cover is broken from the wreck anyhow. I'd try to show the interference but it can't be seen while touching and theres plenty of pix on this thread with the engine in them already. Some can be found around page 35 or on my blog for August of 2019.
As usual here, buncha pix of the same thing. Slightly different. Thinkin I showed this Monaro wind tunnel lump ahem GTO tore down, here she is slick :arrow:
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Ain't got much for ya. Heres a fairly thrashy scene from when I was getting the hood resituated somewhat with fenders and grille all bolted down.
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I hates allen heads but once I made brackets to hold the grille shell and clearanced fenders alongside it so they'd match up at the shell's leading edge, I got somewhere.
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Needs more work in some places than others. I do not condone the type of hood latch setup used. The enormous oval on passenger side is how big a blister will have to be to fit over a stock and trimmed oil fill cap. The Sharpie mark did not meet presiding asthetic standards however. Of course. Way too big. Looking into options for relocating fill or as mentioned, different valve covers.
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Went on a safari and found my lost and expensive fender brace extensions that connect over the suspension, put those on.but they no longer connect so I know something major changed since fabbing those. With them in though, they still support the modded stock brace so I was able to set height at outside tip of those. All that stuff got rid of the potential interference at rear of upper control arms and now fenders were all bolted up.
Long about that time, the panel that goes under a deuce grille reappeared. A bit smooshed. I stuck that up there and got it refinagled somewhat but boy then something jumped out at me. Ahead of grille, inner edge of one fender goes straight and the other points outward-
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Depends heavily on where a feller stands. Crazy as it seems (joking), reference point comparisons checked out fairly nice there. Its the curves and/or lack thereof. Eyeball over dimension, only the front view looked that way. Quantifying this to the extent possible feigning normal vigor was diligently attempted and best I could figure, I wanted to cut on the line whut I drawed here yonder-
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Was that dialect shift too abrupt? :lol: I give it whut fer then backed off at end of half day (first half at doc w/gross :( hematuria) for a peep and this is that-
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Mebbe I went too much? Template referencing angles of grille says its spot on. The way I cut it though might have moved the bolt hole forward visibly. The truth will be in trimming the end tips to match once I have these areas looking parallel to CL. In the wider shot, other asymmetrical contours can be spotted and are probably known. Working from center out, being the wonk removal machine that I am. Everything in due time but with hurry in it. :)
It will be interesting to me to see how the hood blisters play out. Model A fronts are very narrow. I have no thoughts, just observing. :)
Observation of the day: Not many women appreciate Model As. Too slim and curvy all at once. Same reason we dig'um. :wink:
Especially with them extry pokey outy thingys.
Quote from: "idrivejunk"Observation of the day: Not many women appreciate Model As. Too slim and curvy all at once. Same reason we dig'um. :wink:
Especially with them extry pokey outy thingys.
:lol:
Evened out the very tips of the fenders and now you can see how one fender has a straight bend alongside the hood while the other is curved. Thats down the list to correct.
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Lighting really is confounding.
I started trying to even out the panel below the grille shell and cut it into 3 pieces because it was too wide at top rear. What you see is first guess handheld tack. Its wrong but the bell rang so thats all there is.
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This angled oil fill neck says for 05-10 GT.
https://www.amazon.com/Dorman-Solutions-917-415-Engine-Filler/dp/B00Z7MWKH2
I don't know Fords but from what I gather it ought to go in the valve cover on the A. No?
It might get us out of the woods. Think it will thread into the valve cover, maybe after hacking away the tab? :?:
The oil filler is a maybe. It depends on how far it sticks out from the valve cover. I have made some adapters before but they weren't high end in appearance. Are the fenders repo? After you mention what you are looking at, I can see what you are talking about. Not being there in person and having less than good eyesight make perception difficult. :) I hesitate to say much because of not seeing. :)
I figure the angled fill neck, for the price, might be a good modding foundation if not usable as-is.
His Dad did the paint n body work it was wearing when it came in, reportedly done in the 80s and the fenders were new then.
And I'm not asking for help spotting stuff, I just don't have a handful of laser levels to set up a grid with nor do I have a good grasp on if the whole idea of attempting to remove all whopperjawed-ness is silly or noble. I am usually satisfied if two or three people with a good eye for bodywonk are given a random suprise half minute to stare and come up with nothing to mention. But I prefer to quantify things to a certain degree before dismissing stuff like that. Might be a quirk of mine but I'd like to keep it because its how I know I'm done.
Last work session on it I was mean to the passenger fender enough to ruin some bondo and I think it did help the leading edge contours. Never opened the door and stepped back. Stopped right in the middle of putting the panel below grille where I want and high tailed it. Its mainly the things that make up the outine of the car from any given angle that I'd like to see not grab attention.
Back to work tomorrow if "it" looks clear in the morning.
Got that panel below grille tacked up like I like and all this looks pretty fair to me-
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The oil fill thing got knocked in the head first half hour. Remove cap-
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Trim existing cap-
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Add hokeyness-
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Started a drawing of Dad's red rod yesterday-
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Bracketry growing behind the grille shell. In the center I just put a tab on the back of the shell for the bottom panel to slip up under (not shown)-
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I say growing because it makes sense to connect side bracket to front-
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Cut fold crease tear lick :P like making valentines.
With the sides cut off I bent and centered this to hug bottom of shell, then folded the sides an inch in from the as-stamped folds. I let the beads hang out the ends of the brake and bent both sides at once. Got out the level and tacked ends to center with them upright and got the look I was going for-
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Look at the lower A arm acorn nuts. Washer partially obscured on one side, other not. The passenger side end piece needs a trim, thats all-
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You can see that need from clear up here but aside from that I think we're just about in spitting distance-
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And all that sheetmetal out front at the tips will move by hand for eyeball tweaking to a heart's content. For the most part, I'd say if a fellow ain't studying real hard on it, nothing should stand out and thats the goal. Had to get to that point to feel like I can proceed with getting a headlight bar back on it. Saving the blisters for dessert kinda. ;)
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I have some bonus content buildup for later on. Glad to be back on the job and man I like walking up to this car now, its a tidy little fat hot chunk looking all sassy out back. :)
Did I say I can't wait to do blisters? :) I wanna look at it with those on it. Is that why so many thread views are stacking up? The suspense. :wink: :arrow:
The lack of primer on one side causes optical illusions. Seems that extension looks longer than the other side. :) Are blisters the final decision for the hood sides?
Yes as I pointed out, that lower panel needs a trim on one side. Nobody else seems concerned about finding out stuff like if one side is longer. Whether its ready to paint or not is all I know of. Weld the lower panel, make provisions for a headlight bar, blisters, done. Stuff like fender braces and trunk struts are concerns for the assembler, I'll just try to zing through whats left on outer panels and yell "Done!" then for all I know it might join the 51 in the icebox.
Probably once blisters are in, it will be taken away. :arrow:
So I may just go tackle those today and rush them through. There sure are much neater ways to terminate the fender front tips but I don't see any interest in that.
Blisters, v2.0. Moved up 3/4" and re-e-wheeled with the next-to-roundest roller. They still match, and length didn't change. This side is still just bolted-
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With this one bolted down flat and panel across knees, using hammer and dolly I knocked and then even wheeled to move the bulge higher to clear the VCT connector better without replacing the blister. Then trimmed and tacked. Additional wheeling to shape or expand the bulge is now still possible and will be again after welding. All of that will tend to continue creating an overall bulge in the panel, which I think a little more of will still be OK-
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Come on inside, let's see what the damage is. Stick your dome thru the grille hole and look left and cough-
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Thats just as high up as she can go. That connector is where faith is required. I believe our man can arrange a connection with the two male pins deep down in the device side. I will consult prior to final welding but as you see, the weld joint doesn't have to define the edge of the bulge. Planishing will also come into play-
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Study the clip. I whittled it back a smidge with a file but yeah, ditch that connector body and bend the existing pins or female terminal ends and this ought to work. Y'think :?:
Getting the headlight bar straight. First, checking the new bar. If you study the pic, you'll see it is less than perfect just like the grille shell-
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This sits evenly and is close to centered but requires a half inch height difference in fender lip height at the bracket bolt. So be it-
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Just about have a blister welded and the panel below grille is one piece again-
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World's largest BB gun-
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The headlight bar is turning into a lot of work.
Good eye. Having made that observation myself, first I did that double check of the bar then I advised if pads go under the bar, lets get those before I commit. Continue bearing in mind that bar and grille :T) don't go to a this car. :wink:
Before putting my welder shoes on for the day, I had the bar sitting like I want in just holes through the fenders, bolted to the brackets. What the under-rubber looks like will affect how my mounting flats look. Ebay, couple days. Perfect time to attack blisters, says the forward thinker in me. :arrow:
So far, so good :)
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Bunch more pics of the same thing again? Sure. Whole bunch. I am calling this hood side done-
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Yep, it clears. Not by much. Trimming will have to do the rest or I'll have to do more work and it will get more messy. I think the blister is on par with the rest of the panel after an afternoon of finesse.
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Looks appropriate. I'm used to blisters so I think that is a better option than some of the other methods that might be used. I don't think the coyote is an attractive engine so covering it up would be my choice. :)
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Thats did, unless I find out different. Looks like I have mop up to do on the green disco smog not so safety bumper car next week.
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side shot looks nice . Blisters fit the look 8)
Is that the wall of fame on the purlin behind the a? Blister looks good.
Wall of shame (inherited). Thanks guys. :) I just really never gave a hoot about rodding ancient fords though, so one could call that the whole stall of shame.
Bonus pix to occupy a new page. The seat hasn't fallen out of this one so far-
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This is the green car job I may need to put finishing touches on next week. Its harder knowing that guy is on vacation than it is watching him sail through muscley GM products left and right while eating the sparks.
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Thats some serious disco smog era look ain't it? Not getting a paint job, just a roll pan. Because ???
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Something about a couple welds and bolt holes.
This is partially done as well. Red parts from donor.
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This is just a pallate cleansing Pontiac 400 pic from the one on the lift at top of the post, on the twin post. I don't know whats in the Camaro.
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That one Bronco job must have stalled. It flaah flooded one day this week and one guy went home that day but hasn't been back.
I've seen a camaro like that with a roll pan decades ago. I might not have remembered without your disco comment. I think it was before the pro street movement. ????
i see he flipped the lid on the air cleaner . :lol: that was a trick for closed element filters. 8) teen aged speed secret
In my thirties I finally got one chrome air cleaner. Into my forties I evolved from flipped lid to trimmed snout plus hole other side. It ain't beyond me to just trim off everything outside the filter. Flipping the lid was mainly for parent's cars. ;)
Dad drove this from about age 13-16. Him and his buddy flipped their manifolds and used chevy carbs with squirters. Dad also had a vacuum advance distributor on his. 33-4 wheels out back, 35 in front. Top hacked and garden hosed, channeled about a foot with rented buzz box. I left out the baling wire holding the windshield, you couldn't see it from here.
I can't say the model A hasn't had an impression on me. :)
Green car, yep. Gotta re-engineer the roll pan and weld it on, but first theres a bubble on this quarter. Uh-oh! :)
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Next to a rusty crease fix. I asked to cut at tape line. Panel not available locally. But they have the other side of course. Our other side is worse but buried deeper so only one small bubble so far. Leaving the lid on that worm can.
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Got the OK to fab patch and go high. While I waited... ker-plunk!
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:shock: :roll:
I'll take me some rusty Camaro work though. With fab, and with destroying another's fresh hard work on the roll pan. :)
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Just when I thought it was safe to go into the water. :) Mr. I love to cut and replace shows up with more rust. This is such a large part of our world that I should get over it. :) Your kind of project. :)
Mr Cakewalk says oh yeah. :) I'm gonna use the pencil that puked out.
Trimmed some shag and patched in a scrap of another wheelhouse and am closing up some perforations farther up. The rest shouldn't be so grotesque. :arrow:
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The A guy was in today. I slapped front wheels and tail light on , blew it off, angled the car and turned the wheels for added drama. It does have killer low angles. Looks like its gonna chew you up and spit you out. :twisted:
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I dare say that car would look pretty kool with yellow wheels and chrome baby moon hubcaps . I am going with yellow wires on my T . I can not get over how much I like the large diameter wheels on that car . Normally I would reject the Idea but the look is actually pretty tough .
I hate to bust anyone's bubble but stock model A wheels were 21" and 19". :P
A stock 1930-31 model A uses a 29.8" tall tire. The 29s on this would probably get it deleted from the hokey forum eh. :?:
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This is under that 68 Firebird. Par for the course-
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Yep this is a rough course too, but finished with an hour to spare. Next is sink the bumper a half inch or so deeper and weld the top edge of the roll pan all the way across. When I went to wash up at end of day there was a 4 or 5 inch loogie dangling from the spout on the water faucet. I passed. A green Ranger tried to pass me twice on the narrow, driveway-laden 30 MPH no passing road to work this morning. They did not pass. :)
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I had to pass on caring to get that done. It is shag-nasty. Y'all don't tell nobody. :)
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Looking good. :)
What's the plan on the bumper, polish or paint, or chrome
No idear. We may not even prime anything as far as I know. Guy just wanted the pan. Kinda looks like a Monza now somehow.
IDJ how come when you do panel replacement it looks so easy? 8) Nice work.
Thanks. Its the lighting. :)
Well Mike says he needs another 1/8" clearance around the idler bracket bolt on right hood side of the A. As I figured. Later on that The Camario has 42 pull rod holes in the tail light panel. :roll:
But the tuck revisions are nearly complete. :)
I'll probably be on the worm can 68 Firebird next. A time if I can work it in.
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The 42 holes could have been worse. They could have braised pull tabs to it. :)
The whole job was just crap. Poorly planned and poorly done. I don't want my name anywhere near it. Other guys would have just let you go a week with no new content but I am not them. :)
What these try to show but hardly do is the area where pan terminates at rear of tag pocket. What you see in the notch there, that isn't bumper. Little end pieces fit closely and the part that goes across is only welded at ends and rear-
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Hard to make out any of that with the lighting. Hopefully, good riddance. Top speed with quality far below minimum is a soul killer, take my word for that. :)
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Shop is getting a big boy covered outdoor blasting setup. I hope to never have to operate it. My hands would be useless in minutes. :)
On the homefront, something of a tradition now is standing on the porch watching Grape endure more hail while the insured one worth one tenth as much sits inside. :roll:
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I'll say it for you... That ain't no hail! OK, OK... park your pride and joy in it then, and love it. :)
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Quote from: "kb426"The 42 holes could have been worse. They could have braised pull tabs to it. :)
If it fit in a frying pan yep, I suppose so. :)
Bonus distraction post-
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Thats a cute little number, with it's girly bodystyle, color, and engine. :lol: Customer visited on the other one which is on the lift. Since boss went to four day weeks I had to take time to show it's owner the deplorable undercar rust repair done by his kinfolk long ago. Left, right, and trunk pans were shaggily hacked out, new pieces laid over top and sparsely connected. Like the tank braces I showed, but everywhere.
I could rant on and on but will just shut up there and do what I'm told but I have seen on several cars where body and suspension mounting pieces are simply sawed through and left hanging and this one is a Lulu. My kindest words and reassurances couldn't avert the nauseous facial expression on the young man as we both avoided the 800 lb gorilla hiding behind the curtain... the how did it get this far with nobody looking under it part. For crying out loud. To skip posting about that upcoming task would be candy coating truth.
So here, look at this and make glasspacky V8 TH400 downshift noises. Loafy ones. 455s don't change tone much climbing hills. :)
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The A could be finished in a day. I'll be working overhead on that though, with constant air tools and sparks, welding upside down under the lift as opposed to squatting because my stool isn't low enough to sit on and work like the last few weeks. Because putting it on a roto either probably costs too much or is currently unavailable clear until the day I finish. So theres that. The nonstop thrill stream of admirable works is about done for good. Nothing like a bunch of halfassing one's preferred brand. Enjoy. :)
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Our hero wanted to yes take some time to help out the tail light panel with the dent puller for less mud depth-
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Wasn't sure so included that spot in the epoxy shoot. Looks like this now-
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One of the guys took the interior out of that car in preparation for mini tubs yesterday. Today I made the pieces shown below.
When I took the phone out to get this pic, news was there that a dear friend passed yesterday morning. My loved ones are in the midst of a string of natural deaths of friends and or kin with varying degrees of suffering. I feel a bit young for so much of that but am reminded how alive my family and I are and how temporary that is.
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Nevertheless... with weakened focus, I cut those apart and flipped one half of each over to produce these :arrow:
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Day ran out a couple minutes short of bolting the HL bar on but after a tad more finishing with fenders off or brackets off then a bondo bath, they should be hardly noticeable yet nice and snug.
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Alas, tomorrow is teardown of a wrecked early first gen Mustang convertible that took a high hit in front. A bloody nose and no brakes. Any wagers on what type master cylinder? Glanced at from 50 yards it looks like a light hit but those core supports are bad puny.
So at least theres another hurdle jumped on the A, and teardown for inspection is my only known task on the ponycar at this time.
They have some pretty good repo core supports for the early Mustangs. I installed one a while back. It fit good.
Ingenious work in the HLB recess. You do nice work.
Many thanks.
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They are not as precise as I would like but I'll have to move away from quality from here on out so theres my start. I wondered for weeks how I would handle those pieces but until I had marked metal in hand and was standing at the bead roller making an attempt to taper off a C on one end with the tension adjustment, the idea to split and flip did not present itself. Then I was like "Oh. Duh.". And there they are. Ingenuity required, thats all. It'd be best to reference the bar and pads during mud work there.
Before I did that though, I tore down the Mustang. Before: (yep single master cylinder) :arrow:
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Core support looks like a banana-
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But of course, that is the one part not available. :roll:
So...
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I am on the other end of that red stick and the mechanic doesn't have a real steady hand, but-
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Then off I went. About half the fender extension bolts snapped off flush. I nearly bled but not quite.
Half hour til lunch, next A operation involves taking some stuff off, so I made sure the gas flap hingenuity was intact-
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Didn't fool with the magnetic latch right now. But last customer visit, I regretted that our hero couldn't play with it and show it to his friend. He gets a big enjoy off that flap, man. I look at some of this stuff and wonder how who did it.
Revised blister for additional clearance at outer blower idler bracket bolt-
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Oh and the core support availability story changed. Got one coming.
Crap, I skipped a pic at lunch-
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Pretty good day, Matt. :) I used to straighten parts like the core support because people had no money. Now I would call it "quick and easy". Just not the best way. Is that close to being correct?
Thanks. Oh I was headed that way. Because from crash experience I know insurance will always think everything pulls out. So if you figure replace without having pulled, yer wasting their time. Once a replacement part is OK'ed, that time gets called "pulls before replacement" which is not usually a bad idea because it urges adjacent panels back home so the new part drops in better. This one just got killed in the vertical support where the mo-clamp was, and of course I could fix all but the grille and side panels if I were in Zimbabwe and had to. And even those could work for me if it was mine. I'd be spending some of the insurance on modern brakes in this case.
How many times have we jumped through fiery hoops or tamed lions just to save some poor soul from paying their dastardly deductible? :roll: Yeah. :) That "entitles" the fixer to take the whole amount then cut corners as they see fit ;) when the insurance check goes to the owner. What folks don't often consider is that halfassed things which may alter the crash rating (the $ part) can mean you aren't covered like you think you are in a second wreck. The insurer may want to see the first wreck's finished repairs and can refuse to cover it or only offer liability coverage if they don't like what they see. They have every right to do so.
My motto:
Heat it til it drips
Pull it til it rips
Cave it
Pave it
Blend it
and...
Send it :arrow:
:lol:
Spent this day mostly figuring out how to make the hood latch bars' attachment points adjustable. Purt near a complete redesign, and the firewall cover panel is on thin ice because several things. Back to the drawing board on that. I figured the hood stuff was ready to go but that task must have been abandoned at the first opportunity to say "its on". Way unfinished. Working on it. Left the phone at work because there was nothing of interest to photgraph at end of this day either. Made a rear bracket and started modifying front on one side. The super puny fasteners in panel holes same size as the hole drilled for tapping are going away (says pfft and makes sweeping hand gesture) and body bolts in foldover nuts on slots is more where I'm headed. :arrow:
Purt near, hell.
This is just as soon as I could bring myself to make another post. Made a couple previous attempts but nope, wasn't ready. Still ain't.
Here I am, down a rabbit hole and four sentences in and still don't know what to say. Somebody(s) will end up under the bus if I try to explain. If it was me, I might not mind. But as you can tell, my mental status simply is not sufficient. Theres been too much bad.
Reading just that ^^^ would be a lot to ask without some kind of update though, I realize that. So... while not yet fully refined...
The hood sides and top have rubber strip under them now at rad and cowl, with grommets under the pegs that drop through aprons. Latches work and hood fit is reasonable all around. Adjustment is possible. I had the nerve to post yesterday AM, even uploaded a couple pix... but got a text message just before hitting post that took the wind plumb out of my sails.
That news was that I am to take the A all the way to ready to tack and shoot and will assemble the body after. The thing thats getting to me worst is about the money involved and is a colossal mental burden to tote throughout the remainder of the job. Beyond my understanding and scale of reality. That hurts me but what scares me is lack of confidence in my physical condition. I am about to go through a period of pain and constant discouragement which comes at a bad time for me to cope.
A week of forum absence should tell you something. I feel a little queasy from just trying to let you know I haven't gave out yet. Doom is around every corner. Just be glad I have spared you from blow-by-blow coverage. Soggy weather has stayed here several weeks now and if I've learned anything about myself its that no sunshine for extended periods puts me in a very precarious frame of mind.
You guys take care and wait. I will do my best. :arrow:
Take care man . I can hardly wait to see the A in paint . Yes it may be an expensive project but looking at the car now to what you started with , it aught to be expensive !
Thanks, CK. Always with the encouraging words. :) I mean that smiley but yeah it is supposed to be getting painted now. Just :arrow:
At long last, I am willing to show these end of day shots. All they are is gaps. Again, but for real this time. I see several spots needing further attention but where attention can stop is the current hot button. The gap grid I see in this twenty footer picture lessens my burden-
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It just looks orderly and proper. Thank goodness. It may only look different to me. But I know that gap variances have been equalized and are adjustable, hood top front n rear edges have been trimmed, it is latched securely and latches lock open for removal, it rests on the rubber all the way across cowl and shell and is near flush or will be after fill, and that the shell / fender / hood side intersections appear neat and equal. Thats a mouthful! On what we started with, I am starting to believe the people reassuring me that it is remarkable. To a degree. Safe to say theres more of my best in that car than in any other.
So I am starting to feel better and that 800 lb money gorilla in the room will just have to stay hidden behind the curtain and I will just have to get ready to be pounced upon by it at any moment. Meanwhile, heres enough to soak in. I will likely never want to describe what I started with on this hood setup but figure the stuff will be shown apart later so's you can see how it ended up. You see that? I just used an apostrophe where none was needed. Thats a good sign but its going to take some Redd Foxx or Foster Brooks level comedy to coax out a laugh. Sometimes I forget to add music, too. Helps me find my bootstraps sometimes. Now, lets see if I remember how to do pics again...
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Yes, a whole sheet of paper will slide between grille and HL bar. ;)
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I believe I can work with all that. The day may come when I can feel right proud on it but between here and there I gotta buckle down and book it, man. My paper-sliding putty-whipping days are long past, I just don't know how bad its gonna hurt so I got me a fullblown dread going. Gotta HURRY! Uh-oh. :shock:
Epoxy-
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Theres enough sun to cast a shadow today. :)
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Its flush, you can run a DA right over the hood / cowl gap. Anticipating kind of a mess on the sides-
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Thats a work in progress, buzzed and ready to start blocking.
Four day weekend now. Heres how the latch bars attach-
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I made the mount points on the cowl into studs. This is a latch handle. Theres one per side and after final cable trimming, they catch to lock open on that screw sticking out rather than the end of the pull handle-
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Nylon blocks on hood hinges slip into these pockets and the cables work the pins to lock them in-
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The fasteners for the whole setup are microscope and tweezers sized and as such are way smaller than any tool of mine, way way smaller than something I can grasp, and way way way too tiny to find if lost. Not to mention being far too ridiculously undersized for attaching body panels to any actual vehicle. But thats a show car for ya. ;)
Is the latch an aftermarket part?
Yes.
https://www.haganauto.com/product_p/hdh2832.htm
No reviews on the site.
I'll have to decide on a trunk lid prop or struts or something pretty quick too. I just don't think the lid is tough enough for struts.
These pieces are down to the pinholes, took about a day per side-
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The telescopic prop rods work well BUT the stock style prop works well also. Comes down to preference. both are available aftermarket and I believe the stock style is also available in Stainless.
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/United-Pacific-B20037-1932-Ford-Trunk-Lid-Support-Arm,278363.html?sku=91132632&utm_medium=CSEGoogle&utm_source=CSE&utm_campaign=CSEGOOGLE&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2NyFBhDoARIsAMtHtZ5hAh0W2x4UjV1gOtHdFpFjQNln_pVudJ9j_pnPMUupOwDsykXrGRIaAutpEALw_wcB
I watched several people use the electric opener on trunks. I don't know if it's a good answer or just an answer.
:)
What prompted my mention was boss man sent me pics of the three kinds you guys just brought up. I didn't recognize the stocker I guess because this was a rumble car or because that was a build ago. He may get one of those, he says. I am kind of anti- only supporting it on only one side though.
My take on it after giving it some thought is I want to try the struts we have for it, but connected to the lid rather than the hinges. The hinges had been drilled when I got the car back and studs and struts were there but just loose at bottom with no studs there. And the lid was / is already bent. I believe the lid is not so strong as to withstand leverage of the full lid like that and the struts should be farther back on the lid. More visible that way, but am I making sense? I wanted to reinforce the lid when it was apart but couldn't pre-justify doing so. The answer was you have to weld it all together and try it and bend it to find out if we need to pay to reinforce it before welding it together. :? I'm certain I blabbed about that.
So the hinge pads on the lid are single layer heavily grinded and barely fitting and soft as warm butter. Hence my concern. Lid adjustment ever squirms one smidgen and instant chip shower... paint free-do's... mad boss. If history is any indication I am making it overly complex without cause. If the future is in question I venture that we'll just have un needed holes showing on the hinges. Or button heads to nowhere.
I got the hood pieces back on, slicked up the cowl-to-hood-at-bead areas and cowl gaps and wiped the HL bar mount areas then swept up.
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My only thought is if the hinges allow movement, there will be a problem. My understanding is that you are considering struts mounted closer to the latch than the hinges. That is where I would venture.
You are correct, sir. :)
I made a wholehearted attempt at strut theory but found walls of can't in most directions. Not even enough hardware for a wholehearted try present. I did put a single center strut on a bracket and vertical angle iron on divider panel bolts. In the near vertical orientation it looked to me like Mike was going for, and straight across from that. Tubs were going to be in the way with these struts and the single strut provided no assist to speak of.
What I came up with is stupid simple but man it works good, providing secure and evenly distributed force. Never tending to twist the lid or exerting force against hinges when closed. Feels sturdy enough open to withstand car show breezes and...
I approve. The lid seems to be fine this way even though it is holding all it's own weight. Until now, theres not been a way to get a good feel of that because the hinges don't hit the metal up stops timed exactly and the lid does flex a bit.
Long story short... this is the answer for me right now. The owner popped in during the strut experiment and was eyeing the "Smooth!" front end. I fumbled around demonstrating the hood operation.
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It can sit on one lock for quick access but be on both for display-
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Boss walked up while posting that ^^^ and he seems hip to it if the owner is. I figure some kind of clip or velcro in the trim or under a divider bolt could secure the locks when not in use.
Back to the other end for a sec... mudded the HL bar spots on fenders. Bolts only finger tight here and the driver's side may need a little more. Filler can ran dry and it was 5. They look to be sitting pretty enough for me. It was a fine day once struts were abandoned. :)
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Going forward!
Like molasses in January. :)
Put grille in and tightened down the bar. Still looks good. Just nibbled at it today. Had a visit by F1 guy.
Lets see, I drilled some new holes in the noses of the front valance and scared up some straight slot countersunk shiny screws for there. That panel (below grille, deuce part and modded, and not shown today) may pass with nothing more than shaving the recessed holes in it (theres four). And mud all over.
Then I turned my eye to the hood props. Just like them dadgum trunk strut studs, there was nothing to be found to match the threads. I had to admit defeat and retreat having only mounted the stud block on one side of the hood top. Found some 1/4-28 screws (suspect they are that but could be metric) but nary a nut and Mike is the only one with any taps. And the threads are boogered on the studs I need to mount..., aand they are not a kind that pops out of the socket. :roll:
Cheez whiz. Another wall of can'ts. Never fear. :wink: :idea: :arrow:
So I'm diggin out Model A teardown bags trying to make that dog hunt when the stock hood latches caught my eye and caused a gleam. There weren't nothin else I could do then but lop off their heads and put them as finger pull handles for removal on the hood sides. They work slick, just what was needed and there ya go... nod to Mr Tradition. :) In a way.
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Crude? Perhaps but the panels require a little rocking motion to lift initially, wiggling the pegs out of their grommets on bottom. It was a nail biting finger pincher but now theres reduced risk of damage and an easy grip n pull. Time will tell if anyone objects to them but they dismiss another worry area for me. Forward ho :arrow:
Shaved 4 recessed holes in the sides of the front valance. Plus the factory front holes that weren't in the right spot-
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Tried out the new tails. On the other one, one lens screw hole threads just let the screw drop through. Back into box, put on boss desk. This one fit up fine-
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Made sure the fender was sitting right then took it off to start mud-
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A sanding we will go, a sanding we will go, hi ho the dareio, a sanding we will go. :) Very lame. Nothing else clever to say. :)
Clever or not, thats what will be in my head now, as I sand. :)
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Looks like that insurance job is about done now.
The mustang owner will be happy.
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I like the coated bumpers on the fastback. :)
Quote from: "kb426"I like the coated bumpers on the fastback. :)
Thats unusual. Just think how good it would look done to a Grand Prix. :)
One down :arrow:
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Yesterday boss said I could have stuff epoxied in the AM today and polyester primer stuff in the PM. Then get here and epoxy is before now and poly in 45 minutes. I had tossed the fender back on to check stuff but had to jump through the hoop just to miss the boat and not get the fender primed anyway.
So much for that. Making room for bezel plus paint :arrow:
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I am looking at the primed hood and sides sitting in the sun right now and the valance has epoxy on it. That stuff turned up since I started writing and after uploading so pic later with that stuff together. I guess. Three days deep on mudding this fender. :roll: And I broke the new tail light lens. :lol: And the fender has lumps at every bolt with them tight. :( But the gap isn't terrible.
So, still really not even able to say "one down" yet. Crowding things that have to be right just don't work. I just have to keep my wits while all parties just must wait and there is SO much left to do. Ugh. Be glad you're you. Guys.
Just gaps and a few close-ups on the lamp. It barely fits, as intended. Pleased with the hood parts and fit. Passenger side has more crown to the whole panel but needs it. Should look fine. :)
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Oh and at end of day I stuck the trunk latch back in. Lid pretty much fell back into it's home, no big new issues to report. Car looks good to me. I'd park it next to any of 'em.
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Endo the week, fingers feel like bananas but the last two things that aren't grey yet have filler on them.
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Wiped this one on the car because the gap was almost good and there was actually a zone which felt OK. Work in progress.
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Heres how it went... Spent three days on left rear fender and got an even, narrow gap then quit. Two days on the right and once due processes were complete...
The driver's side has the gap shown. This side has zero gap. 98% perfect fit. Well, dang thats not a match. One perfect and one good. So i sought counsel of boss man and after an experiment with a strip of cardboard stuffed in the gaps, we concluded that a thin weatherstrip like around the doors and trunk, applied to the quarters just inside the gap should serve to equalize the gap and unify the look to boot. I think if we are careful, puckering at mount bolts can be minimal.
This was yesterday, after due process but before handling pinholes-
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This lamp fit right back in there pretty easy-
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Then today-
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Warm out. Warm yesterday. Warmer tomorrow. Yep. I may have one car with A/C working by end of the week.
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You may have to look real hard to see the cardboard smushed in the gap.
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While I was waiting for boss man's input I started flushing and flowing this door with sandpaper. Whew.
But anyway now all the fenders can come off and the fronts can have spots tended to so eveybody can be in the primer phase. Onward ho. :arrow:
Feels like I was supposed to remember to mention other black Pontiacs besides the GTP today... :? um...
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Best. Hood. Ever. :arrow:
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Even more boring stuff today. Fixing a right apron conflict / damage and fender bolt hole thing.
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The hood side panel removal finger hooks show up a lot better in primer-
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The thought crosses my mind that the A will be very color specific when it comes to approval from people. It has a lot of cool factors that many will be clueless about. If they like the color, they will like the car. The rest of us will look at all that was changed and then look at the color. I have a candy red image in my mind. :) No matter what color, it will still be one of the best A's I've seen.
Army green. Olive. Maybe with fenders same tan color as the wheels are. Last I knew both were to be solid colors. Its his Dad's car and he was in the Army plus was the one who fixed it up and painted it blue. Color choice is how boss and owner agreed to express a mild tribute to the armed forces and his service. Last rendering by me was completed in September of 2019 and shows it that way. Engine is supposed to be same color as wheels. The green might be light enough to show off the sliced cake overall gaps effect.
Did a bunch of things I had saved up for when the fender was off next.
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The bottom tip of cowl was sticking down lower than frame rail top there (since firewall / tunnel install) and denting apron so I fixed that. Patched the bolt hole with the big washer there so the hole don't show or need the big washer anymore. Also, in my odd design the pan edges are not welded. The aprons' inner edges slide in between floor rail and pan. After the other work, this apron required more trimming to install as intended so did that too.
Hang onto your seats, I know this is a gripping thrill ride. :)
Reconfigured top end of my fender brace support to fit with the new headlight bar location-
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Those welded nuts are from version 1.0 and will now be unused.
The fender mount bolt alongside the grille needed to go exactly between two adjacent previous holes in the frame which I turned into a slot and stuck a foldover nut on. Bottom of above pic.
Then I smoothed out welds inside the fender where the HL bar mount is and at the fix out ahead of the grille. Wiped and buzzed the topside.
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Can't sand that area worth a flip with the fender on. Other side needs very little touch up fixes or additional fill. Getting warmer, hurrying. Friday I can get poly primer done on whatever is ready by then. :arrow:
Now begins the leg of the journey I have expressed concern over. Being mid fifties, "feels like" 98°F, and the only thing there is for me to do in the world is hand sand just as fast as my body can go. For far longer than I know it can. Because I been here so many times before and theres no alternative to beating myself to death and being perpetually exhausted. Plus the money is already all gone. Its a long row to hoe and I am not young enough. I can be trusted to get it straight enough though. Usually, if'n I don't give out first. Half a day got me this far on this panel and fill is needed here and there on areas where I've been.
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That paragraph was so IDJ. :roll: I am too intimidated by whats ahead but my limits are real. Still has to be finished yesterday.
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Anytime I see hand sanding blocks, I know what is going on. :)
Another part for the praying for primer pile-
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I dare say that never saw a block before primer. :(
Observations around the shop-
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Local college teams are the Razorbacks, thats a razorbug. :lol: :roll:
Several nice touches on the Ford, dent in the front not withstanding. :)
Theres a matching "dent" on the other side. I figure something used to go there. :?
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Prayers answered. I got the running board done in time too. :) But missed it uploading pics. Its flat and grey.
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Half a day continuing on this quarter, and... uh-oh...
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I can only still even hold a block in one hand. Wrists and hands are shot, making this task oh so very painful. Tendons in forearms just can't move freely. Theres too much damage to my body from doing this already. Seems like continuing this way is just shaving years of ability off the end of my life's work. Maybe thats just the where I truly am currently. It hurts hurts. And every spot has such deep defects... so I am troubled. Nothing new there. But this is why my cars and house are junk. Theres nothing left of me for my own needs. The jobs just run on into infinity, as do the years spent. Sigh.
:roll:
I hate that ^^^^ about myself but am inclined to leave it in the post. It just makes me sad like digging my own grave. If the task is sanding, I can no longer make the cut with a 5 on, 2 off zero vacation pace. I'd grow up and face facts if I knew how. :?
Maybe spewing that bellyache will hold me for a spell. Boy howdy. I tell you what... any of youse mugs that have builds going have the same thing to look forward to. :twisted:
Conditions today were perfect though. Beautiful day started with a bright outlook. I'm a yo-yo. :lol:
blah blah and same with the pictures but I promise the next post will be some better. :arrow:
Wiping isn't sanding-
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Rinse and repeat-
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A flow of panel faces is emerging though- :)
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8) 8) 8) :D
Quote from: "chimp koose"8) 8) 8) :D
Well hell yeah! 8)
I have only begun to bog down. :wink:
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Bog ... get it? Mud. :lol:
Thats so meh. This is mmm-mmm! );b(
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Now we're talking a color there. The A in that would be SO fine. :(
I tend to agree. It would need shiny wheels to go with it. :)
Boss visited stall yesterday and I get the feeling I'll only get one more hour to finish the car before being switched back to the F1. And apparently I was supposed to just rough it in with 80 on a DA for paint shop to finish. I thought I was to make it ready to spray paint on. Said it before, I can't be expected to meet expectations if I don't know what they are. :?
All I know is to be ready for primer today. Uh. I have most of the body line as good as its gonna get and everything below it is OK. Some sanding above that has also been started, I buzzed a roof edge and back corner. But thats it. No idea how bad the other side is without sanding it but heres this mess... feels nice-
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One thing everyone agreed on from day one was the car must not have a vertical ditch at back of doors. Well, I did what I could within limits given but not enough time was spent on the beads. These are after the first dusting of primer. Whether I'll touch the car again before paint, I cannot know. I will be lost first thing Monday. :?
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Lighting prevents seeing much of the main character line.
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If I could speak freely I would emphasize that wishing something were ready for primer and being willing to spend primer on it does not make the panel ready. In other words, prime it every day if you like. But to achieve the desired results, the work has to be done. All I did today was scuff detail areas with 80, light buzz faces with 180, clean it and cover wheels. :)
Don't mind these redundant pix, I'm just staring at the body lines. Needs work at front of door and top of smaller bead. Places I didn't go once I had a feel for the timeframe. Looks some better with all the primer coats on. That guy does alright with the priming. :)
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This side appears to be less terrible. Used 80 on a 6" DA for the exproratory there. Did trunk lid, rear panel n pan, back and side of roof, qtr, door, cowl side, apron so far. I have two days from right now to have blocking and fill finished. Wish me luck.
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Knowing the journey makes this interesting. :)
Thanks. :) I was off by a day. Thursday noon, I figure. To prime as needed by end of day. Closing for another four day holiday weekend. Not like a vacation but it will hit the spot.
Anyway, I gotta hurry but indications are that it is within a plausable realm. At least I thought so until I saw this pic. Did not pick up a block today but did make it all the way around and over the roof. Did notice the character line on this side belongs in a funhouse. My gosh the work quality variations are abrupt on this thing. Cheeez whiz, get a load of that jiggly-wiggly joker.
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Right pleasant day for working though.:)
Oh. No. nnnnoooooo :!: Half a day didn't even get me to the second roof rib. Hard at it with 80 grit because it didn't take long to see 180 was out of the question. I am sunk, perpetual failure reigns supreme. :cry:
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I told the boss there was little chance that I'll have it all done, and the reply was merciful. Whatever is ready gets primed Thurs PM. Then I guess either F-1 or keep going. I'm whooped.
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Stood in that same spot nonstop blocking from 8:45 - 3:30 with 50 min lunch and if there had been another few minutes in me I'd have finished clear out to the middle of the center. There wasn't. Sat down and continued blocking some left quarter mud. Last half hour I stood and threw some strokes at that wacky body line. It is responding to efforts. You can see I need fill along back of door bottom half to make it flush. Forgot to wipe that yesterday.
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If its the process that interests you, my strategy for the day was to explore the most vast unknown remaining. Since the roof behind the beads (where that tree landed) still looks crooked, I anticipate major resculpting there and somehow I had to get a clue as to how bad the rest of the roof is so I can arrange priorities accordingly. Figured I'd be standing sanding on that bench maybe a half hour when I first stepped up. Hope you guys understand how discouraging this can be and can maintain tolerance as I struggle to hustle. Now that I sat still to eat and post, rigor mortis is setting in.
Ho hum.
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New meat! 8) Yes, another one. :)
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pfft. gack.
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fml
Necessary evil. I'm surprised that no one makes a power block to replace the hand operated unit. In the early 70's I thought the airfile and da would replace all manual sanding except for small hard to reach spots. Boy, did I miss that one. :)
We have a hand block attached to a vaccum cleaner. :lol: Welcome to the future. :) Lets not forget velcro and holes for the sandpaper. ;)
Back in my day, there was such a thing as an orbital air file. And theres jitterbugs and waterbugs. And 3" orbital angle sanders. Just not enough control for details with an air tool, like you say. Generally speaking, I'd say the weight is as prohibitive as the bulk. My 6" palm DA has a plastic body and medium pattern, making it better for sculpting compared to a clunky high dollar paint DA. I just try to drink plenty of water as joint lube. :)
Make that senior water. This was my final automotive act as a junior citizen. :) Threw myself at it too hard and got satisfactory results. Now, to heal. By the time I reach rodding age, engine will be a dead word.
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Blocked back of roof then took a good stare at her, jumped back up and made a few additional strokes as needed... and it became difficult for me to discern any remaining shape discrepancies. Decided it will probably be OK. It will. Take another gander at the main body line, same statement applies :arrow:
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Then came Painter, to make it all disappear. This photo makes me happy- :)
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It was getting smelly then, but just like in the Westerns I waited til he was reloading and took these potshots. Thanked myself for resistance to compromise under stress as I looked her over. The tail panel, trunk lid, and the adjacent beads were all I had to skip. Lid waa done carefully and ought to have few flaws if any. So with those exceptions, the whole car has now been carved by yours truly. Which is what the boss wanted pretty bad. I feel like right things were done and the car won't need any bodywork excuses at a show.
Hoping four days of holiday break can unbind the parts of me that are in knots now. What was that just now, four weeks of nonstop sanding fast as I can? With doom cloud overhead and waning gumption. Sure am glad to be past that. And now I can mentally feel good. Physically, I can look forward to it. Blah blah, cry, whine OK.
These pics taken during second primer coat and the visual inspection while wet are reassuring and for the first time in a month, I left for a weekend believing I had accomplished something :)
Diligence is the only virtue I lay claim to.
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To my suprise, was duly but not overly pleased with the outcome of the main body line. Both sides appear to me to have a sporting chance at proper visual flow once the final priming steps are taken-
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Some wheel time in the loud Pontiac of mine should just about get me square to the world but like I like to say when in retrospect: Each one kills me a little. Takes me down a permanent notch. My past cars and work projects all included.
This one got two notches. But it is probably the closest I'll ever get to the sense of accomplishment many of you have achieved repeatedly and with less notches... at your own homes. :)
Gettin' closer. :)
I am supposed to "buzz over" "it" so that final primer can go on this week. Tuesday afternoon now and that means Thursday end of day. "It" may mean every part or just the shell. "Buzz over" means no block, I presume. Sounds like trouble. My life force is low, and that means energy. Wah.
First, a couple hours removing moldings for glass, vinyl, and drip rails on the 66 Imp. See that bead of RTV in the drip rail? That stuff did not help and I bent this side right where that is in the pic. Not bad but it was a booger to get off right there-
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Still blocking. Couple hours on the lid so far. All I can do is hurry :?
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Block sanding builds strong bodies how many ways???? :)
Purt near ever whichaway, I reckon. Somethin seems bassackwords thar though. :) The knot between shoulder blades it builds is fairly stout, I'll grant you that.
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Seriously... killing me with the trunk lid too. :roll: 3/4 of a day just concentrating on front half of it. Ain't no way I can pull rabbits out of hats unless they're in there to pull. Not gonna make this deadline either. My new slogan: Perpetuating disappointment. :lol: Or maybe it should be Lowered Expectations. :arrow:
Made it the rest of the way to the back of the car, whew! :)
Now we'll all get to see how my mud work compares to that of them who came before me, particularly on the rear fenders where I did all.
I run myself down but am run down... but I tweaked the trunk lid fit one last lick before blocking around it closed and *...
The trunk gap turned out spectacular! :) That charges my batteries a smidge. Needed that, big time.
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There. Whole left side blocked. Thats more like the type of blocking experience I anticipated when I dove in. :) Silly me. :lol:
Body, doors, lid. Lightly blocked and thoroughly buzzed in 180. Will chase details with scuff pad. Ignoring jambs except at gaps.
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So, that leaves only a 3 pc hood, grille shell, running boards, aprons, front valance, oh and four fenders to go by end of day. Sure, no prob. :roll:
Today's motto- Halfass it until it fits the timeframe! :)
CAUTION: You are likely to pick up on a "tone" here. I'm all set to lash out.
One thing for you picture looker atters... I can abandon this thread just as you have. :arrow:
At 2:20 I had the body and hinged panels scuffed and clean-
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Wrote it in my book, turned around theres boss with where ya at. Here. OK. Painter will come prime these spots at 4:30-
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OK. I start on a hood side-
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Thats finished. Here he come-
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I'm on the other, meanwhile-
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OK, primed the back-
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Well since I have this in the gun, might as well have Matt sand the ENTIRE * thing again-
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Before ten or so, and have it off the frame too. Well, theres a truck on jackstands in the lift stall. "Whats that mean?"
I'll have to be sure to go around the shop tomorrow and give everyone ample opportunity to twist the Garand bayonet a couple more rounds. Last sentence was sarcastic, so here... have a twist yourself, guys. For that. :roll:
I see more progress. I'm not sure where this car is headed when finished but I tend to think the owner intends for it to be a show winner where ever it goes. :)
Anyone who could recognize the vehicle will be dead by then. Fossil fuels will be taught in the same chapter as slavery, holocaust, and born genders. Some responsible individual will then barn find it and drop it where they want coral to grow, alongside all the other metal vehicles. Archaeology will be left wondering how and why for eternity.
I started this job sanding bondo in the same stall. Now, the welder there is just for decoration and redos are my destiny. Thats what I see. After this will be an entire truck but with even more hurriedly done crap to deal with. From it all, one important lesson can be had:
Speed is all there is. I don't have that.
But theres always going to be one optimist who tries to keep me posting so that I will reciprocate.
Theres no picture and no chance of anyone understanding. I don't know if the A got primed.
Started sanding off overspray but didn't make half the roof before it became obvious that the DA was too slow. Since breaking through primer registers as sander error rather than error prior to primer, I could see only one choice. Scuff pad. Went over the car with that, after blocking spot primed areas boss asked about and also buzzing them with the DA.
Took it off the frame and put it in the booth, blown off and dust wiped by 11 AM. To give Painter enough time to clean and spray it. Told Painter Model A is in the booth and he replied "Get after it!". I laughed and said that even sanding the whole car again wasn't part of the deal, then went back to blocking a hood side.
Five minutes had not passed before Painter hands me a shop phone. Boss, for you. He asks whats this about not sanded? Rather than dashing the phone to smithereens I agreed with everything, got the car back out. Started sanding. But boss put two people on it and I was in their way but buzzed most of it.The other fellow kept talking as we sanded which led to me voicing a few of the more ridiculous frustrations in play...
I just had to walk off. Started sanding a back fender. The minute I got home, boss was burnin up my phone line so to speak. Ignored. As I am by default. And I passed crap to the next guy, as all do. Not by my choosing. Painter already had plain refusal in mind for whatever I showed up with. The cowardly way he called up his daddy and cried Matts a liar is the third time he made me angry with spiteful behavior. I won't stand for another. Boss I ain't counting but theres been a handful where parting words were on the tip of my tongue and I ate them and behaved respectfully.
I'll have to be the one to end this. They hollerin bout the F1, I ain't got the A done... but they may just get none of it from me. Why people gotta crowd? They want something, that ain't how its got.
Surely all you read there is sassmouth lip, right? But you don't know that, do ya? Not interested in defense at this point, people gonna form their own opinions no matter the truth. If the anti-Matt sentiment prevails, I don't mind abanoning everything I own at the shop because enough is dang well enough and thats how much I've had.
Just heard it did get primed. Lets celebrate by not having a picture. :)
I'd rather puke through my nose than continue riding the Perpetual Failure Express. Pass the Kleenex.
Further, more apologetic communication occurred. Boss reached out and we have things straight(er). Painter has some explaining to do though. I expect ambitious goals always but that just plain got out of hand. Like a horse, if you keep spurring I will respond with all my ability until lame. That, or if need be start looking for a low hanging limb to run under. :wink: So if you spur me, mean it and remember I'm at WOT, don't just lay a brick on the gas pedal and walk off.
I had been misled about the money concern and operating in crisis mode for weeks due to that. I had a vacation picked out in June but pushed my need aside to press this job forward due to the percieved urgency. Theres nothing less interesting to hobbyists I suppose but the lone commenter here reports seeing progress. Growing pains can be difficult in business, I'll sum it up that way. It IS ok to expect your needs to be met as long as the needs of others are as well. :arrow:
This is the pic I go to, to see progress and seek reassurance. The body was upended again like this AFTER doing all my metal work, as well. That upset me then but Mike told me the doors worked same with it like that. We were friends then. He don't speak now. At least its a picture.
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8) 8) I have been out of town for over a week and just got on a computer
Thats my ultimate fantasy 8)
You probably figured to see it painted, eh CK. Oh, I added hood top and one running board to that pile yesterday afternoon. They got it all in the booth then the booth quit working. Electrician lined up for this AM.
Working at this fender currently.
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That one is awaiting assessment now, I guess. For primer worthyness. This one has eaten half a day just on this spot. Which is the one spot on a Model A where blocks prove useless-
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Every part besides the body assembly and those front fenders are waiting for me to block them out. With the exception of these two which I would not have guessed... that went properly. That is: Filler once, poly primer once, and now in urethane and stashed in the paint shop.
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2 down, 9 to go. Oh, except that anything with a break through has to be redone after that. Meanwhile, the body sits with no activity. Theres chassis activity though, teardown and welding up the header notch on right rail is what I saw. Had Mike take off the mounts for the fender brace supports above the suspension. A third try at making those fit, after moving the headlight bar, was a flop so as criminal as it seems... those won't be going on the car. If the headlights bounce too much, well maybe I'll still have the scraps to work with.
Scratch that one off the list-
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But put both front fenders on the prime and sand again in the same nightmare spot pile-
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When I think of the rear fenders I automatically make an old man noise. Heres the frame-
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There was a fairly confusing array of holes where the fenders bolt to frame so I got asked what to do with what holes. I indicated such by taping washers at the spots and requested slotted tabs there, perhaps suitable for use with 1/4" foldover nuts. Then I thanked for the nice tabs-
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I at first said lose the spreader bar holes but that got a suprised reaction and they stayed so... I'll stay out of that. Reckon when I walk in next I'll decide whether to bog on down and go for all fenders this week, or reach for easier pickins. The hood side that got blister enlargement has way more crown and is a bigger challenge to blend in but it already has a re-prime on it.
Its like watching slow grass grow, need megalithic calendar to track progress. Grass in the yard is waiting and needy too so off I go. Hi ho :arrow:
First thing, boss let me know they'd shoot just urethane primer on the front fenders so I should be done with those. I scooted a couple easy pickins parts over there by gun time. First thing I grabbed was an apron and it was a booger but did block out.
Here is that done pile (final primed today)-
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The rest of my today shown here (just the grey body stuff)-
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That leaves these-
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Hood side and fender on bench are both in first prime. Fender with tape on it was the worst one but I already went over it and had to tap n wipe at a high spot on the bob job. At the nightmare (reverse curve) rear fender contour of course.
I can see daylight. Just don't know which day yet.
Made 2 outta 3. Half day. All I lack is one rear fender. As you can see, my filler work stacks up fine next to the next guy's but my metal work leaves some to be desired. How it compares, I couldn't say. At the moment I wouldn't call either skill fully brushed up on. What I can say is it looks to me like the painter has work-
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Refer to previous statements about right hood side-
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After filler and priming twice, that and this might just barely be fixed. The high spot fix on fender ought to fly but I spent a couple hours blending lump ahead of blister in-
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A GTX thread monotony breaker :arrow:
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More final primer. Stuff looks good to go :arrow:
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I was afraid this one would pooch out too much here but seems OK-
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Subtle flat lip at rear, check-
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Then heres that very last part :)
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No real bad problems found on that so woohoo, done sanding! Looks like theres a significant collision repair standing between me and the '51 F-1 job yet. Nice 2014 Ford truck had an offroad adventure / sideswipe.
But next up today is this steering column offset unit pocket on the firewall so I get to find out if I can still weld :)
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I guess I should take the firewall cover panel the rest of the way, too. :roll:
Looks good from here Matt. Long way from day one! Ya done good
:) :)
Thank you sirs. Painter has a long row to hoe now. Thanksgiving comes to mind when I think of shiny put together. :lol:
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Minor hinge bar clearance alterations at each end of the cover. A few minutes' grinding and I believe thats everything.
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Finished that cover panel but no pic, woops.
Heres the frame being cleaned up-
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Heres the crash job that I sure hope totals no matter how inflated pickup prices are. Floor crossmembers are kinked-
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Multiple issues with that estimate. Made report. Need decision before we can know what to pull in next. If its a fixer not a goner, I apologize in advance for the next extended mood swing. :roll: :lol: :arrow:
Here at the lunch anvil, I have the A intercooler tank (unfinished) and am removing a bunch of tragic surface rust-
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Ain't that a funky gas tank? Its from that 67 GTX.
I put a little protection on that tank after the cleanup and passed it back to Mike to finish. The firewall cover turned out slick as a whistle after all. Its made from the top section of a prefab firewall. I think some fender welting around the top might be good.
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I went looking for a shiny assembled chassis but all I found was this-
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Satin finish paint?
Low gloss clear. Like whats used for lots of bikes now.
I painted a steering column last week. I wanted it satin finish to match the dash. I used this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XR7LYCG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and it did a very nice job. Just don't apply it too thick like a lot of people do. Light coats and it flows out nice.
What we get comes in a 2 quart kit, I think. PPG and the fancy box has hot rods on it. One of the guys collects the boxes. :lol: I'll see about a pic but probably way steep for hobby work. Unless you want that quality.
VC 5250. Satin clear.
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Here is an example of some low gloss stuff on a trike-
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We're painting the rear fairing or whatever its called. Curious how the refinish stuff compares. I only follow up on this because I do think gloss level is a neat option in some places and the nowadays 2K stuff has nowhere near the drawbacks of old school single stage with flattener.
Imagine the Model A with reduced gloss beads down the side, for example. Not a stripe but then again sort of like a molding maybe, as far as looks. Just a coat or two of satin clear painted like a stripe over done paint. Hmm is all. :arrow:
Painter is at it-
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Uh oh, piece of tape! :shock:
:lol:
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Dog gone it, newest guy is doing the roof. :roll:
Yes thats the two faced really ugly beautiful Olds in back. It came to the front. Stinks.
Hmmm, low gloss just over a portion of the vehicle. That would be very interesting. To me these low gloss finishes look very sleek and high end, weirdly an opposite effect to flats even though it's between flat and a high gloss.
Its as though shine is a necessity. Thats never been true. Using contrasting gloss levels is not unlike just two different colors. Color was never necessary either. What if shine was what people disliked? It would make more sense. There are glare scenarios which create unsafe driving conditions. Just random IDJ banter as thought fodder. :)
See the traffic control device? No? Just stare ino the sun until your eyes burst into flames. 8)
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Woops posted to wrong thread but think I have it fixed.
Final sanding is being carefully done around the car by the painter and he does not appear to be having much trouble with it. We knew the right front door gap needed more attention and it got it. He will be cursing me / us when he starts on door jambs. For sure. :)
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So hey Ford men, is this a 289 or something?
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I just saw it looking sad there and wondered if it has anything to do with this storyline-
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I know, I know... but that one IS too far gone to use anything but the #s. :shock:
I did a Mustang like that about 12 years ago. It was beyond repair but he had lots of money, and it was his first car. I replaced everything from the front bumper tp the rear from the beltline down except the inner rocker panels. When I finished the chassis repair it went to a body shop for finishing. It's still there.
The engine appears to be a early 60s 292 Y block. The last Ford V8 with a rear mounted distributor
Ah, boat anchor.Yeah I did a 70 Mach 1 once. Never laid hands on a first gen Mustang except that red one I tore down ahwile back and the 68 I occasionally drove as a kid.
Always variety. :)
Quote from: kb426 on September 02, 2021, 08:37:37 AM
Always variety. :)
Spice of life, buddy. :)
I know you guys don't mind a little filler material now and then. ;)
Speaking of which, I am seeing due meticulousness from the Painter in getting the A good and ready for paint. He is currently fussing over all the beads and bringing them up to snuff with the open areas. I was unable to devote enough attention there and focused mainly on not having big problems in the open areas in the blocking phase so am glad to see that. :)
I cant wait to see that A in some colour 8)
You may not have to wait much longer. :shock: Seam sealer usually means its getting serious-
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perfection takes time ..........waiting patiently 8)
He was spot priming jambs when I left today. :)
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Still waiting. ;D
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Good thing "someone" took a lot of pics, because nobody is going to have any idea what all is under the paint pretty soon.
Quote from: jaybee on September 22, 2021, 08:51:57 PM
Good thing "someone" took a lot of pics, because nobody is going to have any idea what all is under the paint pretty soon.
Bridgewater. ;)
(water that done went under the bridge)
If he gets himself in big trouble with it and "the jaws" get involved, responders would do best to snip pillars in alphabetical order and concentrate on vowels. :idea:
No tubing adjacent to windshield. ;)
I hadn't seen under here in a month of blue moons, seems like. A couple spots needed tiny cosmetic patches on open "loose ends" left in construction. Like one inch spots and not shown. I got out the panel bond, made pieces, and took care of them without breaking his stride. He didn't even have to mention them, just untape and shoot over. I clocked in, saw them on the way to the F-1 and knew to just handle it, qwik. Mmm, Qwik. Wheres that blasted chocolate milk moustache smiley anyhow? :D
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He did have to wait until everyone else's quitting time to start hosing though. But guess what?
Theres color under it now! PPG Envy Green, a dark pearl / metallic plain base / clear. I ain't sure what it looks like (wasn't mixed yet) but think it goes on fenders and all. I thought for awhile they were going to use solid colors but whew... gladly, not. Painter was singing along good and loud to a grunge mix in picture perfect day conditions when I split. That much is as it should be, and encouraging. :)
So, we wait.... more, and patiently. To see whats been a long time coming. :arrow:
Now I know this heres gettin a mite text-heavy but just never you fear... Feast yer peepers fer a spell at these tasty innards and I'll hush. -
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I'm assuming that it has some kind of bedliner sprayed. It looks different from most I have seen.
Lizard skin?
Quote from: rumrumm on September 25, 2021, 06:19:09 PM
Lizard skin?
Probably. Usually.
Quote from: kb426 on September 25, 2021, 06:06:34 PM
I'm assuming that it has some kind of bedliner sprayed. It looks different from most I have seen.
My understanding is theres two kinds of lizard skin type stuff. One to block heat, one for sound. Fancy stuff with tight header room often gets both. Looks same as usual but I've never used any. Reportedly, thats a valid and effective approach.
I think there is a recipe either here or on the hamb for lizard skin . It is made of the glass spheres used in aircraft filler and plain old latex paint . I think you can get the spheres at aircraft spruce. I was thinking of mixing it with por15 or else some type of heat barrier paint to do the floor and insides of my coupe . It is all done in por15 right now.
I can hardly wait to see this car when it is finished . You have done many changes but they are all very tasteful .
Quote from: chimp koose on September 25, 2021, 10:18:01 PM
I think there is a recipe either here or on the hamb for lizard skin . It is made of the glass spheres used in aircraft filler and plain old latex paint . I think you can get the spheres at aircraft spruce. I was thinking of mixing it with por15 or else some type of heat barrier paint to do the floor and insides of my coupe . It is all done in por15 right now.
You can also get the glass spheres from Amazon too. I've done it with black latex paint and so far it has held up well.
I used 3M glass spheres (only because a friend works at 3M and I got a free sample) and mixed them with 2 part epoxy primer. Worked great for both heat and noise.
Can somebody bump the needle on the phonograph please? :arrow: :lol:
I said that ^^^ (after backspacing my pre-meds response) because... just like every time... someone mentions home made anytime the LS keyword pops up. Now I understand I am the odd man out, doing this as employment and all but listen please-
To an outsider or to me, it seems whats being implied is that my employer rips people off because he uses a pre-manufactured product. Step on my toes all you like but don't step on his. Think about it, OK? There should be no enigma, we always use the same thing and I try not to mention the name because I'm not advertising. Just nobody can remember ever seeing it before. Every time.
Thanks. I am not messed up about it but I could think up a reverse scenario to make the point if nobody still gets it.
I do appreciate the way folks quit asking what the black primer is. These are things I do not control so no level of persuasion from anyone, to me on my threads, will cause anything but the above peeve. Regardless of noble intent toward your fellow hobbyists being the reason for sharing brilliant and frugal recipies. That is a good topic for a tech post and a well read subject at the hokey place, and I'll say it out... I am aware of it.
Have some green. :)
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On my part there was no disrespect meant to you or your boss and how you do things. When I am working on a customer car I buy many of the parts I use, particularly if it's cheaper to them than me making it. I may use the same brands as you do on customer cars, or I may use other, but very few of them fit without at least some rework when doing custom work.
I believe that every regular on this forum knows that it is not cost effective to pay an employee for home made items versus store bought. In watching the wonderful builds that you have shared with us, I have seen no sign of excess crapola. It takes good parts for high end builds. Nuff said. :)
I know better than to seriously think that was the idea behind any of it. I hope it didn't sound too gruff there, I felt a need to be clear and don't wish to discourage any input.
Its safe to say that lizard skin is an unfortunately successful brand, in that the name has suffered the same fate as bondo.
FWIW, in the green pic thats got 3M no cleanup rocker guard under it. Which I can say free of discomfort because it is not a controversial product type. Right? Maybe I missed the rock guard in the wife's blender using house paint and Elmer's glue with sawdust and busted longnecks, or... whatever a guy wants to put through a schutz gun and call rock guard... thread. In the case of sprayable insulating and deadening materials, I would question equivalency vs cost but that is not an answerable question without facts.
If I were a shop owner I would do it like you guys too . Paying shop rates to mix up a concoction that may or may not work would be senseless . If a known product fails you have recourse with the manufacturer. Also the resale value may be higher with known quality products used throughout on a job shop build . You guys are not a back yard shop , I would expect no less than products with a good reputation to be used .
Exactly. What I can suggest and what I can do in my garage is two different things. And people expect names they have heard. ;)
And now...
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Now thats a war machine :twisted:
O...K... :o so today its a desert war machine. ???
I don't know why and ain't gonna ask. About the engine color change. :-X
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Serious Model A activity in both buildings! This is the TCI chassis getting loaded up. My first look at it painted, same as you. :)
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Concept vehicles follow a theme. The rest of us watch and see how it unfolds. :)
I bet it takes full two years to have the custom interior done, based on what I've noticed. And costs as much as a new car.
Now is the time to freshen your drink and get more popcorn, I reckon. :)
I've been saving money for a project, nothing big dollar, and have been scratching my head over several ways to go. I've decided that in terms of a Ford OHC engine the right direction is a 4v from one of the Lincoln SUVs. Obviously a Coyote would be better, but they're still quite pricey.
That's in the event of choosing a car that's too new to power with a 347 stroker or 351.
I believe my patron has a huffed 4.6 in his fastback. 8)
I am a tad leery about these Coyotes, any of them up for grabs are from a frontal collision severe enough to give me pause. ??? Guy putting these together is convinced Coyote is the big picture bang for the buck at this time. Seems to me that as swappable and wantable gas V8s for cars go... after what we have now, theres not going to be much of anything coming down the pipe.
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I would take an LS over a Coyote any day for a lot of reasons, but die-hard Ford guys love them. And I respect that. They just don't fit in things that easily.
Quote from: rumrumm on October 01, 2021, 05:08:25 PM
I would take an LS over a Coyote any day for a lot of reasons, but die-hard Ford guys love them. And I respect that. They just don't fit in things that easily.
Evidently these Ford truck addicts I work with found a shoehorn that works. Make mine a carb era Chevy V8, in no matter what. :)
I probably should have specified the 4.6 or 5.4L 4v is the right choice if you need a lower $$$ solution than a Coyote. That's the big problem...the Coyote is a lot of power...but for a lot of bucks, and you need a lot of cubic space to put it in.
Not that the older 4v engines do that much to solve the space problem.
Blown 5.4 is whats in his daily driver. Thats one thing I have noticed is they all seem to require a supercharger. Not the engines, the owners. To address peer pressure. And so far, I believe we are at four Coyote swaps. '41 truck and '30 coupe are not a lot of cubic space. Whats required is cubic ingenuity. '51 truck swallows one easy and square Bronco swap is in the works.
The mod motors came with 4 speeds and Coyotes are 6, am I right? Size of trans is probably yet another consideration. Its a good thing I'm just a bodyman, see. :)
Thats my trouble... I have zero personal mechanical interest in anything drive by wire or powered by Ford so I just don't care enough to learn enough to converse intelligently on things of that era. My daily junk has the injection, blower, and four speed OD but the pedal is what opens the throttle. Its only missing two holes and turns the wrong wheels but thats where I choose to draw the line for advanced technology. It got the benefit of modern engine construction despite being largely a 1964 design.
Makes a point though. Its enough modern engine exposure that when I attempt to imagine a "hot rod" and take a hard look at originally carbed or EFI potential engines... they fall into two groups: Those which will run strong past three hundred thousand miles stock and them that won't. Carb era mills just don't hardly do that but everything from this century will.
Silly as it may be, a carbed and bigger than 4.8 / 5.3 LS might be my pick if I have to hammer interstate with it but I'll be ashamed to open the hood. Hood can be open anytime over a flat tappet or retro rollered SBC, BBC, SBF, or FE but it'll have to start fresh to make half those miles without losing oil.
So here I sit, running my mouth and done forgot which thread this is. Nothing can ever get a four barrel three speed '67-74 Pontiac V8 again and run with the pack as wire-driven late model $300 salvage heaps so I'm out. Attempting to wear out what I have completely so it makes better sense to scrap it all is my game.
Overdrive could be called a decider by itself though... whether a guy has to have it, or not. Just as the roller cam deal, you have to pick a side of the fence and live on it. OD and roller can be forced upon carb era stuff but costs more than just caving to DBW in the first place.
I'll never have the privelidge in life, of choosing an engine or even building one. At least I don't have to pick. Must be rough for them that do. I suspect that the same lack of perfect selections is just as problematic for Ford as GM.
How 'bout that? :-o Done barked myself in a circle before noon on a Saturday but have said nothing and didn't even bite my tail very bad. Thats just how I roll. :lol: Not gonna just backspace it all like usual though since its not terribly malignant. Enjoy :)
It's all good, I enjoy the discussion.
The sticking point once you get much into the emissions era is that a lot of places have a rule that you can put a newer engine into the car but you can't use an older engine. A New Edge Mustang (1999-04) with a fuel injected, 393 stroker Windsor would be a great car and fun to drive, but It'll never pass inspection for emissions in those localities. You can do it up to a 1995 model, but after that you're into a cammer.
The OHC 2v and 3v Fords are seriously limited in breathing and cubic inches. They're so often supercharged because it's so hard to get around the limitations of the heads. If you can live with 325hp in the 2v and 375 in the 4v you're fine...and that's enough power to have a lot of fun. They also don't have the high revving nature you'd expect of an OHC engine, especially the 2v. If you want more you need a 4v.
Now we're down to which 4v. The Coyote is a better engine in every way. It's also more expensive than the earlier, 4.6L and 5.4L 4v engines. So, if you want to or have to go with an OHC and you don't have the significant amount of money for a Coyote swap the pre-Coyote 4v is your best bet. They go 300,000 or more when properly maintained, so freshen it up, get it tuned, and go. That freshening needs to include the cam tensioners and guides, and probably helicoil the spark plug holes for best results.
Oh, and as far as blowing them up with a supercharger, I think that comes from having unrealistic expectations. These are small displacement engines, so they're going to be harder to get big hp and torque from than a 6.2L LS. I think everyone's expectations are a little warped by the availability of 700 and even 800hp cars from the factories. Those would be uncontrollable beasts in a lot of situations without all the electronic nannies and drive by wire. Drives manage to wreck plenty of them even with tying one hand of the engine behind its back.
Exactly. A guy sure ought to take his time finding out what a build like this acts and how to push it, gently. My definition of too much power is if you can't floor it in first without wheelspin. Says the guy who took a couple years to get the hang of gradual throttle app on the GTP rather than just romping a Q-jet and lettin er eat.
Interesting other points. Fun to talk about. All totally out of reach for this guy. But do the Fairmont. ;)
The A is nervously pacing in the paint ward although theres a primer job birthing at the moment. Painter hasn't left her side though. Fussing up until the final moments. Somebody fetch clean linens and boil some water, that might have been a contraction just now. :shock: :arrow:
I still cant wait to see that thing in paint ! 8) 8)
I think there are some 1983-88 Thunderbirds still out there in decent shape. They were a comfortable car, not cheap when new, so they would have been taken care of and probably garaged. Someone who admired the already long and impressive history of the car would have thought of it as his pride and joy. That's the seller you're looking for, a guy who kept his pride and joy T Bird until way late in his life or it goes up for sale with his estate.
At the same time they're relatively small and light compared to the cars of today. Being a Fox body you can do everything to them you can do to a Fox body Mustang. A lot of the chassis parts which fit a Mustang either fit a T Bird or can be adapted without any difficulty. Upgrade that 5.0 or fill that bay with a 351W-based replacement. Convert to a 5 speed with donor parts from a Mustang.
Someplace there has to be a deal on one.
Aw, hold out for a loaded Zephyr. :shock:
That primer job was a barge, still waiting. :blank:
I vaguely recall a couple test drives as a teen. One was a 318 2V (that V stuff is Ford-speak, I mean barrels) ;D Duster with 3 on floor. But there was also a Granada ... or was it a Monarch ... with four on the floor, 302 2V IIRC. Those had so much smoggo trim hung on em its tough to see past but the Fairmont, better. I'd place Volare / Aspen somewhere in between in looks. Wasn't there a different roof on some? Anyway yeah, me I'd prefer the Mercury in just about any case. They are worth the second glance where a similar Mustang ain't, IMO. A GF let me drive her 91 XR7 and if I'm not mistaken it was 302 5 speed. I accepted the offer to drive it and enjoyed it a smidge, nearly new.
Boss does have that T bird, its for sale or build. Can get pics if interested.
Thats every bit of Ford talk I got in me and after looking at those local cars ^^^ we drove an hour away to score a 68 Malibu 2D HT 307 / 3OTT , 75K for $800.
I been tellin painter to shoot that thing at least once a day, doing my part. Newer guy asked me other day, says don't it mess with your pride having somebody pick over your stuff for 2 or 3 weeks like that? Meaning Painter getting the A ready. I chuckled, and hated that I was the old crabby guy being asked that and having that reaction. All I could think of to say was were you confronted by my redoing of the truck's cab and doors? Nope. Well, alright then. We're not the painter and the painter isn't just a painter. He is the go-to man if you want to be sure about a show car, thats all. He'd keel over dead right now if we kept him spraying all day. :)
I agree with your statement on the painter. :)
He is pressure washing the booth in preparation now.
I wonder if he knows he's being watched? Almost stalked. LOL.
If I remember correctly this painter lays it on smooth as glass !
New filters, too. :D Must be serious!
Looking at this, I cannot imagine the metallic effect on the trunk matching the tail panel. :-X
Also can't imagine painting it with hinges in, but...
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Looks ready to me. :)
Ta-da! 8)
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That looks a lot like a Honda cycle color that I had painted on my 66 Triumph back in 1972. Looks good. Now we'll be saying we can't wait to see it assembled. :)
Its army green but with pearl. :) And yeah, I just want with doors on. But that will be a spell. Other parts might be two or three spells, who knows.
Now, everyone can go to the bathroom. :arrow: Intermission. I did see engine on frame but wasn't carrying phone. :blank:
I'm not normally a fan of green cars, but it looks very suitable on this one.
The hue doesn't bother me and I am well pleased by the "effect". In the sun, it ought to showcase the body nicely. :)
8) a jewel
The rubdown already started. Dry spray fallout from spraying inside visor-
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It is not free from texture, trash, nor waves by a longshot. Roof doesn't look crooked or bent but the indent intended to be visible above the tucked drip rails was filled, so just above theres a line of ripples atop each rail now. Thats why I meant to leave the groove. Same thing where outer panel skins stop in door jambs. Filled with pucky. Still, I can't complain and am duly satisfied...
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but you can see some peel here. Dig that sexy jamb though. Lord only knows how much me is in there.
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Note how in the last two pics, the overall tone of the color shifts from a bluer shade from an oblique angle while the gold pearl dominates the face making a yellower color. Thats why I like pearls, you get two colors in one and boyoboy does that accentuate shapes and make 'em stare. :)
nice 8)
Fabulous looking car, with an enormous amount of work to get it to this point.
Buffed roof :)
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That looks great, as if they stamped it out of one piece at FoMoCo.
Any news ????? I am waiting patiently 8)
Only bad. I already gave the hint above, following the word longshot.
The A has only sat since last post. I straightened a bent drip rail on it Friday, without leaving a mark. Came to say there will be no more pictures. Boss had a change of heart about those and with a few words, punctuated my forum hobby as well. My car hobby was snuffed a decade ago so I could work there. Now theres nothing, only sanding in my future. The end. :blank:
Dang! All that work and we don't get to see the finished car? Not your fault. Maybe "someone else" could snap a photo of the finished car sitting outside ready for the owner and post it here.
We will all be so dead by the time that hits the road... ain't gonna matter. But then I thought it'd be Thanksgiving before it got shiny.
That is a shame about the no pix deal . :( I have learned a lot from what you have posted in the past.
Well, you can always post more of your art. I enjoyed that too.
Quote from: enjenjo on October 20, 2021, 11:29:14 PM
Well, you can always post more of your art. I enjoyed that too.
Have not made it past a scribble in months.
That looks like something I might have done. No, something I have done, just not that model car
Me, too. Posi and torque would be tough to live without.
I was going for a vague nondenominational blur of mid sixties hardtop coupe but my brand loyalty got the best of me there. ;)
Went to the other building looking for a person today and if the A had been a snake it could have bit me. Didn't recognize it for a sec, half covered in tape and with some insulation down and wires hanging out. Floating on the lift, over a loaded chassis. Found person, returned to my work area without a second glance. Done seen it plenty and will plenty more. But theres a single glance update. :)
The A owner just popped in, getting first look with color. They started talking mechanicals and all but it just so happens that Mike has doors on and hood n grille in place with it down on the frame. I can start to see beauty emerge, with the bright headers and tan engine along with all the other textures of things... and it is going to be quite the piece of eye candy. Might turn out to be a helluva car too. ;)
I've been thinking it's going to be a helluva car for a long time.
I drove the two stockish cars I built there, briefly. But have only ever ridden in one I was involved with aside from those. In other words, I ain't likely to ever find out. So I say might. ;)
Its a long way from shakedown. :arrow:
As of Friday the other sheet metal was on it, in primer. Trunk lid too but its painted. Don't know why another mock up was required but some coaching was involved on the front end of course. Not bad. Its probably due to sit a little while again.
I noticed a gas tank in it. Made for it but way way way too big. My spec guideline was thrown out and looks like something has to be cut to even see it in place. Actually it appears that the cabin bulkhead I made is out. The tank sits clear up where the seat goes and now the batteries (2 6V Optimas on their side) don't go inside the quarters they go in the seat riser (stock, altered?). I remain clueless and unable to question. Front end gaps look like poo. :blank:
The owner doesn't know how to make a plan and stick with it, does he? The sort of thing which makes an expensive project far more expensive.
I don't know which owner you mean but yeah. Wealth means somebody poor is supposed to think for you then bear the blame.
Quote from: idrivejunk on January 05, 2022, 08:39:00 AM
I don't know which owner you mean but yeah. Wealth means somebody poor is supposed to think for you then bear the blame.
That is no joke.
^^^^
I have not had that experience. :) 12 years ago, I went to the Gunnison car show. There was an after party that I went to. Dave Crouse who was Custom Auto in Loveland Co. and I talked for several hours. he told me that I had no idea what rich people expected or how they treated him. I believe I'm fortunate to not have had that exp. on much of a level.
As long as I stay dumb and diligent, it works. I'm a regular bee not a queen. If I do it 2 or 3 times, its still cheaper than par but as always I produce sellable results in the end. Leastwise thats what I'd like to believe. Reckon I really don't know what about the gas tank though so I ought to hush and have... faith?
Hush and be glad it's not your shop, I'd say. It's not at all unusual for people who can write the really big checks to demand things be done for free just because they'll abuse others until they get it. I once worked for a guy who would interrupt meetings called to abuse coworkers and I to abuse other people. I heard him tell a fencing guy how much he was going to cut from the bill for the fence around his new swimming pool because the fencing components came in a couple of days late. Another time he told the Audi dealer if he had any issues with the way his S8 shifted when he picked it up they'd be getting him a new transmission and he wouldn't pay a dime for the repairs.
Its just certainly a purposeful disillusion that I choose to accept. Because if EVERYthing is a problem job, if every question I have about one is me creating a problem where none exist and fussy backtalk tone is what I deserve...
would I be there at all?
My pitch is that keeping anyone in constant percieved failure mode is not the key to success. Maybe some operate that way. One of the most finely interpolated grey lines there is lies in the "If you ask someone to do a job, you must also bestow proper authority to do so upon them." department. I ask so many questions because mistake avoidance is how I built a crash tech rep and now, getting specific input is like pulling teeth. Its still a one man show up front.
Theres a train tunnel reference I'd normally insert here. But, hush mode it is. Beats page after page of derogatory text. In any event, I'll eventually forget forum days if I live long enough. But I'd remember the buddies quite a spell :)
Myself, I'm a team guy. I want everyone to feel valued, competent, and empowered. I don't understand keeping people in the dark and feeding them *.
One common thing I never fail to hear from new hires is a lack of clear task instructions. Nowhere to turn for answers, no tolerance for questions. Outright ignoring of facts given by person doing the jobs. Frustrations with other causes expressed to puzzled workers. Only-child-ish behavior from everyone above me is a fairly new thing. Dudes over 50 stamping feet and screaming is a quite compelling cue to exit.
Sounds like the people above you are feeling a new level of pressure?
Absolutely. A mean untimely cocktail of business growth, virus panic stuff, and personal crisis requires a lot of slack. Tension management can be like landing a carp with a Barbie Zebco. :lol:
Well we lost a drama queen today but that should even out the keel. Whew. I hope so. Spreads the work load out quite different but we're all adult types now. Myself excluded of course. We take it day by day and I'm still around. And less puzzled by recent events. Maybe I will visit the back shop soon to see whats new. :)
Didn't stick my head inside but did see the tank nestled fully into position. I had envisioned some air around a smaller tank, 12 or 15 gallons but I guess they went for 20. I don't know but it fills the entire space and sloshing gas sound won't be but like a foot from driver's ear.
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Getting close. :)
It's really looking good. That's an awesome car.
looking good 8)
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Leaving for the interior? 1st time somebody pulls up behind that car and sees the tires, it will leave an impression. :) Looking good. :)
Look at the rear side windows and compare to most chopped A's . Then give yourself a pat on the back ! Nice job on the chop! 8)
I keep coming back to these pics. I like it. I like it a lot.
What tahell happened to the other pictures with resizer in title? I have to download them to even see and all that gets me is a jumble of garbled pixels. What a joke. Pics on page one look fine.
I'm going to have to learn to cover dashes with fabric. Looks good. :)
This new software is giving us fits. It is being worked on but no end in sight.
I have had good luck with covering compound curves but it does require some experimenting. Some materials are easier to work with than others.
WOW , the dash is great ! 8) 8) 8)
Bill, Frank, John, CK, jaybee, +... howzabout just a business end shot? Her hair is still in curlers and she looks a fright perhaps but oh... I heard her sing. That means yeah the pipes are crooked but it needs "a million" things and it runs and moves.
PS: Frank, the Josh in the next stall is tackling a pre-pancaked pre-patinaed and re-proportioned Studebortion and well... yep its good he's a younger fellow. I seen them fenders and went oh. It had flip front but will be normal hood, lift off clip. Hes gonna hafta make everything. Frame is boxed stock.
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That A is absolutely gorgeous, inside and out. Incredible fit and finish, and all that rubber on the rear makes me smile because it's practically a real life CARtoon.
The Stude. Hmm, that one has me scratching my head. I see potential there, but it's hard to figure out what to do about it. The proportions...it looks too big in some places, too small in others. To high in some places, too low in others.
Hmmm, I have an idea. I think the wheel arches need to be either a better match to the top of the fenders or rounded to match the tire and modernize the look. That second option would greatly reduce the visual bulk of the fenders. The aprons that drop down to cover the frame ahead of the rear fenders need to have a break at the same level as the doors or a character line at that level in order to make the midsection of the truck look longer and more continuous. Bob the the back end of the rear fenders. I think with those changes everything looks a lot different and better.
On that model truck, a M" series, all the fenders are the same front and rear. I agree on the wheel openings, they need to be reshaped to better fit the tire.
This may sound strange, but I saw one with the left rear fender on the right side and vise-versa. It improved the look a lot.
Good pics. :)
Now that you say it I can absolutely see why the truck would look better with the rear fenders reversed. The fender tail looks really low at the back, reminds me of mudflaps. That was probably advantageous when the trucks were sold originally but it looks awkward. The drop from the bed to the fender tail is too large.
The front of the fender looks to have more curve than the back when looking down on it. Swapping the fenders would help close the gap to the running boards and make it more symmetrical front to rear. At that point maybe you wouldn't need to trim the back-now-front of the fender up to the bottom of the running board, but i think you might.
I wanted an M series truck for some time but haven't been crazy enough to buy one. A few years ago at an auction 100 miles from me there was several. One had the door jambs rusted out. The Walters auction several years ago had several also. They have all been big trucks except for one. The half ton was at 5 grand before the onsight bidding began. It had more rust than anything I've done in the past. The M truck is like model a's. They look cool but there's only room for midgets. :)
Just visually it looks to me like they'd have decent leg room. None down, all forward of course. Between firewall and grille bottleneck doesn't seem like room for a straight six. Door jambs, cab back panel, roof, part of door shells and headlight pods are about all thats usable. Oh and a gate.
No Stude styling effort on my part, I just traced pic lines to provide a means through which to convey one construction thought where fender hood cowl door meet. The grille on the thing is hideous so it will never be good looking. Right now I don't believe the technician is enjoying the task. Everything to be touched goes next to something not made. So make all parts first so things can be touched. Nothing can be started until everything is finished.
I'd say its somehow enjoyable watching somebody else go through that, but can't. I like the guy. I could sink my enjoying teeth into something like that but for him its undesireable labor. Like what I just did, mudding inside the F1 bed walls because a stud strip was welded to the outsides for no fender bolts showing.
Yeah, going from 1940s wheel opening size to 2020s is a valid thing, as is the install backwards and trim. Cluster of fudge, already went through all that on Frank's and for naught because now its Ranger bedsides.
Forcing forethought into these situations seems frowned upon, its only ever about today's work so let em do whatever they did before I came. I am just bondo primer painter helper now.
No idea who covered the dash. Seems like it was done prior to hauling the car to KS for interior.
One thing is for sure, the brake lights are fairly useless. You'd have to be watching for them to notice they are on.
Do you know the name of the upholstery shop? You mentioned Oz before. Do you know where they are???
Columbus, Kansas. On Maple Street. Oz Custom Upholstery. No site. Heres their FB:
https://m.facebook.com/Ozupholstery/
QuoteFrank's and for naught because now its Ranger bedsides.
Yes I am using Ranger Bed Sides. Just the top 4". I am cutting the rest off and discarding the rest of it except the area around the gas door. A buddy of mine with a boat repair shop is making the panels from there on down in a mold I made, on the contour of the Stude cab side shape. He also has some molds I made many years ago that are for the front and rear of the front wheel openings. With a pair of M series rear glass fenders flipped side to side, molded into the bed sides, and modified front wheel opening molded into the fenders, I think it will look like the truck I want.
That sounds good. :) I bet fiberglass expense is getting ridiculous, hope not as bad as with paint materials.
I imagine it would require some truly outstanding billfold fortitude to pay through that whole Stude job... already having been in several shops to reach the point shown, now "needing everything"... get it to a point of ready for fenders... then have somebody say now what we gonna do about those wheel openings? And not flinch.
If a feller never thought of that (non hot rodders mightn't) before then, boy that'd be a hard pill to swallow. As would any other fender doctoring. Leastwise thats one good justification for the type of images I throw at folks with expectations of being "for naught" because of the logic I have percieved to be in the process of elimination. I expect modification will be required to allow function with the Conestaga style rolling stock on that dude.
I know ideas come up along the way, plans are meant to be changed, but it strikes me as a foolish waste of money to not have some vision of where you're going before you get started. There will be more than enough things to do over even with a plan in mind.
I knew a guy in HS and a while thereafter who I helped with his project sometimes. He had a 1953 Ford Crown Victoria. It was a pretty rough car, but stood out in a town full of Mustangs and Chevelles. Thing is, he had something different in mind every week. It's a 50s hot rod. It's a tail dragger. It's what we'd now call a restorod. It's a 60s style street/drag car.
This lack of a consistent vision basically destroyed the car. He radiused the wheel arches. Then he put them back. But he'd already thrown away the trim that was in the way of the radiused wheel arches. The flathead gave up so he found a Y block somewhere. As young as I was even I could see he chopped all the strength out of the front crossmember with a gas axe to fit the Y block. But the transmission was worn out and would pop out of 2nd gear. The patch panels were stuck in with big smears of brazing and popped all the bondo and paint off in short order.
He didn't make those mistakes with his next car, a 1967 Cougar he bought from his cousin. He took it to auto body school, found all the places where rust pops had been mudded in, redid the whole car from tan with a black vinyl roof to a deep, beautiful root beer metallic color, sorted out the janky drivetrain, and omg that was a beautiful car.
That guy was in this afternoon, said it sat nine years just before coming to us and it sounded like a typical bucket list thing. Once you've lived long and been prosperous, she gets her want and he gets his and its agreed about depth of expense-telling-about. I oughtn't criticize what I can't understand particularly because its food in growly belly.
The traced sketch didn't come out during the visit and I was just a fly on the wall and I'd like to think we, you and I, think right about plans.
Maybe its smartest leaving the definition loose considering the duration of such projects. Or considering the nature of expressing yourself through those best suited to building the object of your vision. Those are things I know nothing about, but I have learned that to varying degrees control is with the body technician.
My attempts to provide visual options or guidance mostly fall flat and I've been leaning toward withdrawing the offer of suggestions and observing the paths taken in it's absence. Told myself no drawings in the 55 Nomad Camino job and did one photo overlay just for myself. That was successful! Got a pic couple weeks ago of the three pastel drawings he hired me to do of his cars, nicely framed in his office. So hmm. But the overlay allowed me to spew a correct suggestion (use pickup roof) when asked. So I guess...
Some who can afford to don't mind not prioritizing build efficiency. Some can afford to do the project but must police it to assure they don't buy more than what they came for. Few would understand how to take the straightest line through bodywork so that is left to us. I have striven to assure the fewest wrong turns and while thats a noble cause it usually only confuses people. Nowadays I figure enough people are aware of what capabilities I have so all I want to do is be clear that those are available and standing by willing to assist.
But until the moment the guy wonders about wheel openings, or the bodyman pipes up needing an idea, nothing I can say or do has value. However if my suggestions evolve silently, rehearsed for superfast concentrated verbal sentences until that moment, occasionally those have impact. I'm looking, thinking. But mostly just burning elbow grease I ain't got. .
Hmm, so...
You've gifted us repeatedly with sketches of how you might deal with a particular vehicle, more than enough times for me to know I'm not the only one around here who enjoys your thinking on the subject. And if you feel like sharing your thoughts here on projects which find their way through your workplace I'm sure no one here will feel any differently just because it's not the project of anyone here. I grew up fascinated by the artwork of Harry Bentley Bradley and others, and I find it most interesting when we get the opportunity to discuss what might work on one vehicle or another.
I removed my most recent post because:
A- somehow I have the ability now.
B- can't seem to effectively communicate any more and hate how I sound.
I only came to drop pics and had a slip-up, caving to the temptatipn to put words. My words are not good enough for me so I will return to silence.
I am always available via PM.
IDJ if you have an opinion lets hear it . I have as much respect for your opinion as I have for your expertise . Your opinions come from experience in your area of expertise . I have learned quite a bit from following your methods of approaching a fabrication issue . You have changed my thinking on a few aspects of what would look right , especially putting large diameter wheels on older cars ! 8)
Matt, While it is painfully obvious that your vision and talents are not fully appreciated by your current employer know that we here on the RRT always find your incites most illuminating and educational. It is a shame your current situation has led you down such a dark path. Know you and your opinions are always welcome here!
i'll second that Matt your tallent is top shelf 8) 8) 8)
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Wow, that A hardtop is killer!
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Room for thought. :)
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Somehow the vent windows make for a better side view . Would not have expected that. 8)
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So cool. Love the proportions.
Thanks for the encouragement, guys. The drawings might be attempts to deserve such praise but they depict a concept that popped into my head and that I wanted to purge. More room within the same space as stock and with less excess height and drag. KB pegged it. Unibody construction and 100% fiction. I like windows down elbow on top of door freedom. Completely unrelated to this career suicide thread.
Again I need to shut up and stop just wanted to confirm there is no reason for or intent to use the drawings. Drew the first one just to have something relevant to put with the Stude one and got carried away. I am sad because I got bucked back to an entry level position doing the stupid things I don't want my name associated with. And its the best I can manage but not sustainable because the wildly excessive amounts of sanding have ruined my body for that. I don't know if I'll be a metal guy again and as Mom says I need another job. Things have changed and there aren't such thing as friends. But theres you guys. :) Thanks again.
Always happy to listen to your creative ideas, only too pleased to affirm that your metalwork has turned into excellent cars, and familiar with being stuck in positions where no one wants to hear what I have to say. Hope you find someone who's willing to listen, the sooner the better.
Its a day to day challenge and I ain't half the man I used to be. The urge to pull up stakes comes and goes but reality is always bleak. My body is shouting at me that theres not much sanding left to get. Very hard pushing past my limits daily. Glad you're here anyways.
BTW I thought if the back window could tilt out at bottom that might be neat. I sketched a sedan delivery version last nite.
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Frank's and for naught because now its Ranger bedsides.
Yes I am using Ranger Bed Sides. Just the top 4". I am cutting the rest off and discarding the rest of it except the area around the gas door. A buddy of mine with a boat repair shop is making the panels from there on down in a mold I made, on the contour of the Stude cab side shape. He also has some molds I made many years ago that are for the front and rear of the front wheel openings. With a pair of M series rear glass fenders flipped side to side, molded into the bed sides, and modified front wheel opening molded into the fenders, I think it will look like the truck I want.
Interesting. :)